A PUZZLING QUESTION...????...????...???? (page 7)

writetoknow

I am laughing some great no nonsence comments by both of you. We do take ourselves too seriously and we do have a whinny society.

quietlyleaving

Terry

re your reply to insomniac

Becoming hysterical when your beliefs are viewed as nonsense is just part and parcel of choosing such beliefs as are compatible with nonsense.

I thought insomniac was very respectful and non-hysterical in her replies to you. You are defending your position - is that hysteria. double standard imo

Worship trees if you like. I won't stop you. Elevate nature to a level which requires worship. I shall not interfere. Invoke mystical charms and cook up a batch of yak gonads and newt's eye if it eases your pain. But, don't expect me to nod in respectful silence about it.

You are figuratively holding obsolete aspects of paganism up to the light. Thats not fair imo. Fairer to compare obsolete aspects of science with obsolete aspects of religion, the benefits of religion with the benefits of science. (I say science cos I know you believe in it.)

nvrgnbk

BLOOD SACRIFICE: SATANIC OR JEHOVIC?

Whether or not Satanists have inappropriately indulged in
ritual
killing in the past, it is a fact that blood-sacrifice is sanctioned by the
Judaeo-Christian god; it is a hangover from the primitive past, a part
of
both pagan and Judaeo-Christian religious heritages, but where is
there a
specific Satanic sanctioning for it?
Turning to Genesis, we find that Jehovah was pleased with
Abel's
blood sacrifice, while he rejected the fruit offering of Cain, "a tiller of
the ground." Genesis, Ch. 4.
Since Jehovah is supposed to possess precognition he
presumably
knew in advance that his rejection of Cain's noble offering would
result in
dispute between the brothers and lead to murder. Jehovah was
therefore
guilty of setting-up Cain, but nevertheless it's always his hapless
human
children who must take the rap for his own lunatic whims and
actions.The supremacy of blood sacrifice was therefore clearly
established
in the first chapter of the Old Testament, and culminates in the blood
sacrifice of the tyrant-god's own alleged son in the New Testament.In other books of the Old Testament blood sacrifice - both
human
and animal - is specifically sanctioned as an appropriate offering to
Jehovah.
After giving birth it was commanded of Israelite women that
they
must bring a lamb as a burnt offering before Jehovah, and a young
pigeon,
or a turtledove for a sin offering, "unto the door of the tabernacle of
the
congregation, unto the priest: who shall offer it before the Lord and
make
an atonement for her; and she shall be cleansed from the issue of her
blood.
"And if she be not able to bring a lamb, then she shall bring two
turtles, or two young pigeons..." Lev. 12:6-8.
In accordance with a deal he made with Jehovah to "offer up as
a
burnt offering" the first to come from his house to meet him after
slaughtering the Ammonites, Jephthah sacrificed his daughter.
Judges,
11:29-39.
II Samuel records that David allowed the Gibeonites to sacrifice
then sons of Saul before Jehovah to end a famine. II Samuel, 21: 1-
14.

quietlyleaving

Hi nvr

what is the point you are making? I'm not clear. This is a genuine question.

quietlyleaving

sorry double post

nvrgnbk

That Jehovah is a bloodthirsty god.

quietlyleaving

I'm seeing those ideas of sacrifices as man's way making a trade off to live with the world of his day. It seems to me that they were trying to acknowledge their gifts from the earth and their own finite existance.

So the question is what are we doing today to acknowledge our gifts from the earth and our own finte existance?

Pls bear in mind that I've only had one cup of tea so far

nvrgnbk

We just have to be.

Appreciation comes from awareness.

Altruism, not meaningless sacrifice, comes from awareness.

Enjoy that tea quietlyleaving.

quietlyleaving

thanks nvr

I agree with you - but the 'meaningless sacrifices' were full of symbolic significance to them and to those who practice them today and they demonstrate/demonstrated awareness of and attentiveness to the people around us and the world we live.

nvrgnbk

I get what you're saying.

However, if one can learn from past rituals, considering them as metaphors, progress can be made.

One does not need to kill to appreciate life.

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