to tijkmo:
You make some very interesting, thought-provoking arguments. David reminds me of Jesus' comment to the effect that whoever is forgiven the more, loves the more. Which says a lot about the characters of both Jehovah and David. Jehovah loves people learning to improve, and David loved Jehovah for teaching him to improve.
We can only speculate as to all the details that were in Jehovah's mind that allowed the whole thing to be allowed to continue regarding David's sins involving Bathsheba and her husband. Here are some of the questions that I don't think any of us has the answers to, though Jehovah would know. Do we know how long Uriah and Bath-sheba were married before David saw her that fateful day? Do we know how long Uriah and Bath-sheba knew each other or King David? Do we know how long Uriah and Bath-sheba were living there by the King before that day? Do we know how much each of them loved to worship Jehovah before that day?
But, as you said, we know from the Inspired Word what's relevant to us as imperfect worshippers of Jehovah, to whom the Book was addressed. I agree that David's heart was in the right place for looking to Jehovah for help in worshipping Him correctly. And it's also true that our love for God is proven by our love for our neighbor — including shouldering responsibility for his actions with Bath-sheba, especially since David was in a position of authority with respect to her husband (her head), as well as being her king (relative to Jehovah's headship over David).
In light of David's experience with Uriah's wife, the Apostle Paul's words at 1 Corinthians 6:16-20 take on added meaning: 16 What! Do YOU not know that he who is joined to a harlot is one body? For, “The two,” says he, “will be one flesh.” 17 But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit. 18 Flee from fornication. Every other sin that a man may commit is outside his body, but he that practices fornication is sinning against his own body. 19 What! Do YOU not know that the body of YOU people is [the] temple of the holy spirit within YOU , which YOU have from God? Also, YOU do not belong to yourselves, 20 for YOU were bought with a price. By all means, glorify God in the body of YOU people.
Too bad that David's/my favorite Scripture to recite wasn't Genesis 39:9. Then the trouble wouldn't have happened. 9 There is no one greater in this house than I am, and he has not withheld from me anything at all except you, because you are his wife. So how could I commit this great badness and actually sin against God?”
But David learned from being being by Jehovah, and so can we all.
It is also interesting how you put that "in effect jehovah could see that david had got himself into one big mess and he didnt know what to do or who to speak to and everything he did after that would seem to compound the wrongdoing..but jah told nathan go speak to david he is my friend save him."
If Jehovah's direction to Nathan applied to our day, then the elders would tell us what God saw, rather than probe. Perhaps it is because we all have the Bible in fuller measure than did Nathan and David.
now what if nathan had said yeah that'll be right..im not saving him - if he doesnt grovel, if he doesnt beg, if he doesnt cry like a baby, if he doesnt satisfy my criteria for contrition then i know better than god and i will tell him he is scum and beyond salvation.
Saving is an interesting term. You apply it to Nathan. But Jesus' own name means "Jah saves". Nathan just means "the given one".
I like the thoughts found at Isaiah 55:6, 7, 9. 6 Search for Jehovah, YOU people, while he may be found. Call to him while he proves to be near. 7 Let the wicked man leave his way, and the harmful man his thoughts; and let him return to Jehovah, who will have mercy upon him, and to our God, for he will forgive in a large way. 9 “For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so my ways are higher than YOUR ways, and my thoughts than YOUR thoughts.
The problem with today's generation: they seem to often only know how to justify their own way. Humility is not often seen. David is a "great guy" when it comes to humility. He was loyal to Jehovah, both in his youth (with the sheep and Goliath) and on the run from Saul and as a devout family man praising Jehovah (which we know from Nathan's, David's, and Solomon's writings).