National Healthcare for the USA

by sammielee24 348 Replies latest jw friends

  • Agent Socrates
    Agent Socrates
    "It's called socialised medicine!"

    That's right, and civilised, intelligent people are for it.

    The above is correct. - All except the intelligent people part.

  • SWALKER
    SWALKER

    Well, it's apparent that SOMETHING has to be done and soon!!! It is absolutely ridiculous that the U.S. is unwilling or unable to pay for healthcare for it's own citizens!!! I'm at the point that I do agree that the government is going to have come up with a plan for the country. It's too expensive for the individuals and the doctors are complaining about their costs also. Almost all doctors are having to combine their practices just to make it worth their while...their chief complaint is the the liability insurance rates that have sky-rocketed, forcing many out of business or to look at other options.

    I'm all for putting the billions we are spending in Iraq into a good healthcare plan for all!!!

    Swalker

  • Big Tex
    Big Tex
    I live in Washington State and our insurance system is about the worst in the country. Several major insurance companies moved out of state because of the insane regulations here

    Come to Texas Marilyn. Where State Farm has been under investigation for raising their insurance rates 23% and then, while under investigation and protest by the state regulatory agency, then proposed raising their rates another 24%.

    Then there was an article in the Dallas Morning News about Parkland Hospital trying to get reimbursed for some $30+ million from uninsured patients from other countries and states.

    If I am going to pay higher taxes, I'd rather that money go toward providing healthcare for real people as opposed to $600 hammers for the Pentagon, or giving multi-millionaires tax exemptions on their estates when they die (which is under discussion in Congress at the moment) and on and on.

  • sammielee24
    sammielee24

    <agent> regarding the right to health care please see below..........<frozen>...what you have today in the way of healthcare could be gone tomorrow, just ask anyone who has lost their job; suffered a long term illness etc. Many times a person is forced to sell every asset they own including their home in order to get treatment which then leaves them nowhere to live when they get well. Rent in many locations now consumes over 50% of take home pay - gas is eating up the little bit of money that people have to draw from. The amount of taxes that the employer pays through payroll tax and the nominal additional tax the employee pays for the health care would be less than the cost of both as they sit now. The economy is faltering right now, put more money back in the pocket of the American citizen and the economy improves simply because people can afford to save more, buy a house etc. The only people who are rich from the system as it is today are the insurance companies. The average family spends $10,000 a year on health insurance - and there are many years that no one ever has to use it. If you take that $10,000 over lets say 10 years, that family could have saved and spent in the economy $100,000. That means college education, clothing, homes.

    Signed Documents Relevant to the Right to Health Care

    Here we list documents noting their relevance to social rights, to the foundation for political and human rights, and to documnets wherein health rights are described specifically. It is on another page where you can find the solid legal arguments why these documents apply to US federal and state law and how this application, implementation and enforcement is already a matter of US law (with full precedent).
    Relevant documents:

  • World Health Organization, Declares Universal Right to Primary Health Care, 1978, Alma - Ata Conference
  • Proposed US Constitutional Amendment guaranteeing health care as a right for every American Stark Amendment
  • UN resolution on "enjoyment of the highest attainable standard of physical and mental health" April 2005
    • The legal arguments and the supporting documents for these arguments are linked and summarized on another page CLICK HERE .
  • wednesday
    wednesday


    forsher, sorry you are in pain. My company also tried to limit the amount of pain meds. Really, that should be the docs call, not theirs.

    What will happen to those of us with some inurance if the socialized type care takes place? already my docs office and the area hospitals are manned by assistants and many unlicensed people for care for what used to be resereved for RN and doctors and licensed radilolgists. it will be very scary if it gets any more substandard.

    I believe lady lee had to wait a very long time just to get an MRI that she needed very badly.(an MRI-not brain surgery-an MRI)

  • sspo
    sspo

    The rest of the world already has it.

    We in the US spent four times as much on health care yet we are way on the bottom of the list when it comes to life expectancy.

    For those that claim that national health care in other countries is not as good as what we have in the US, well Canada, and the rest of Europe are living longer than we are so they must be doing something right.

    Insurance company and all those making money on health care are too powerful, they will never aloow it

  • wednesday
    wednesday

    I am puzzled about something and maybe someone can explain it. My insurance co is one of the major players in the insurance world. I see the EOB's (explanation of benefits) that comeback as they pay the docs etc. The "contracted' benefit is frequently very low. I also have seen what they paid for a recent inpatient hospital care. The hospital billed about 10,000 (for some aspect of the care)and they were actually paid a little over 1, 000. No wonder hospitals can't affored to keep you inpatient and you frequently receive substandard shoddy care. Several of my docs have gone to "no insurance' and opted out of medicare and it really hard to find someone who accepts medicad.

  • sammielee24
    sammielee24

    - national healthcare means that every single person is covered automatically. It would be like everyone (for example) having a health card for medicare which allows you to go to any doctor (specialists may still be referral but I'm not sure) and hospital. There would be no additional payments for necessary medical care. National healthcare as proposed in this bill, covers all necessary medical care including operations, examinations, blood and clinical tests, xrays, eye exams, some chiropracty, emergencies, drugs...etc. It would not cover cosmetic surgery. The idea is that no longer would you have to bankrupt yourself if you got sick. No longer could you be turned away because you have no health insurance. Every person, from child to senior, working or not, receives the same access and services across the board. I know there are doctors screaming now because medicare/medicaid isn't paying them what they want and some are flat out refusing to provide services or threatening to halt some services and under a national system, that would not be allowed. Just remember - if you go to 'opensecrets.org'...you can read about what company pays what political party and this gives you a really good picture of who buys their way into the current policies. When the insurance and pharmaceutical industry hands over or donates 20 million dollars (example) to the party in power so that they can force the government to make laws making illegal for you to get cheaper drugs from other countries - well - it isn't your health they have in mind..it's their pocket books - protecting their own wealth.

  • roybatty
    roybatty
    We in the US spent four times as much on health care yet we are way on the bottom of the list when it comes to life expectancy.

    If true, it has more to do with Americans being fat asses rather then our quality of medical help. We can debate all day long about insurance and the cost of health care but if I were seriously sick, I'd rather be in a U.S. hospital then any other.

  • heathen
    heathen

    I have mixed feeling about it myself . I think that corporations should foot the bill instead of getting it paid for by the impoverished which seems to be the norm here in the US . The Dems just voted down tax relief for the poor from what I've heard . I'm all for it if corporations will pay for it and there is still a privatized sector for people that can afford it . I know my mom just had triple bipass surgery with no insurance and had to pay nothing and they took her in right away , no waiting . Now that sounds good . Some hospitals here in texas do use donations from individuals to pay for things . JPS being one of them .

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