Interesting thoughts on the situation.. READ

by Brutus 39 Replies latest jw friends

  • fodeja
    fodeja
    Whether you like it or not buddy we are going to war in the middle east and many innocent lives will be taken whether you like it or not.

    I'm not your "buddy". I wouldn't want to be.

    That is a fact of WAR!!!!

    I know the facts of war, while you, I presume, don't. People in my family have been killed in war. The facts of war are, in a nutshell, that people kill people because they want to live. All of them die.

    If you want to be one of the people to kill: just go ahead. Nobody can stop you. Nobody could stop the terrorists either. Hate finds its way.

    f.

  • bboyneko
    bboyneko

    I think a general rule of thumb is do not act hastily when you are angry. We need to make sure we have the correct target before bombing them so hard they are indistinquishable from oatmeal
    -Dan

  • Brutus
    Brutus

    This just FUCKING SICKENS ME!!! JUST GET RID OF THEM ALL BECAUSE THEY OBVIOUSLY DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT YOU OR ME!! If you were on their soil they would have your head on a fucking stick!!!

    READ this and tell me how you feel!!

    Wednesday, September 12 2:50 AM SGT
    "Bullseye," say Egyptians as they celebrate anti-US attacks
    CAIRO, Sept 11 (AFP) -
    Egyptian students, taxi drivers and shopkeepers crowded round television sets stacked up in electrical store windows in downtown Cairo Tuesday evening, celebrating a string of elaborate attacks on New York and Washington.

    "Bullseye," commented two taxi drivers as they watched footage of the twin towers of the World Trade Center in New York shrouded in plumes of smoke after two presumably hijacked planes slammed into them earlier in the day.

    Another Egyptian man, Gawish Abdel Karim, told AFP he was pleased with the wave of violence in which another plane crashed into the Pentagon in Washington, the heart of the US defence establishment.

    "Nice work," said Abdel Karim, who drives a car for an Asian embassy.

    "The Americans have forgotten that God exists. They have us by the throat and now they find themselves in a science fiction film scenario, but this time Rambo's not there to save the White House."

    Anti-US sentiment has mushroomed on the streets of Egypt and other Arab countries over its widely-perceived support for Israel over the Palestinians in the past 11 months of violence in the Middle East.

    As with other US facilities around the world, workers at US government offices and Egyptian citizens were taking security precautions, with only "non-essential" operations set to be covered on Wednesday.

    However, US officials said there had been no credible or specific threat against US citizens or interests here.

    Abdel Karim hailed the attacks as "the best thing that's happened since the October War," referring to the October 1973 Arab-Israeli war when Egyptian forces made a surprise attack on the Israeli army across the Suez Canal.

    "Mabruk! Mabruk! (congratulations)", shouted a crowd of people huddled round the shop window.

    Egypt, considered one of the "moderate" countries in the Middle East, is one of the United States' strongest allies in the region, being the first Arab country to sign a peace treaty with Israel in 1979.

    But people on the streets do not necessarily see themselves as US allies.

    "The Americans are cowards. They use other countries to hit us. They don't have the courage to meet us face to face," said Khalil Matar, 43, who works in a state-run soap factory. "The myth of the indestructible United States has gone up in smoke."

    Polytechnic student Amira Ryad also vented her anger.

    "We saw the tower crash down," she said, referring to one of the two towers of the World Trade Center, both of which were razed by the attack.

    "I only wish (US President) George Bush and his dear little baby (Israeli Prime Minister Ariel) Sharon had been buried in there too," she added.

    Fellow student Murad went as far as speculating that the United States was behind the attacks, "to find an excuse for the National Missile Defence system" that Bush wants to deploy to protect the United States from so-called rogue states, despite widespread global opposition.

    "Those people are capable of killing their own people to prove they're right," he said.

    Egyptian President Hosni "Mubarak should know that the people can no longer be humiliated, but of course he'll never declare war" on Israel, the student said.

    Another taxi driver said he was going to make special prayers to thank him for the attacks against the US.

    http://asia.dailynews.yahoo.com/hea...US_attacks.html

  • fodeja
    fodeja

    SIMON: is there a way to move this thread to the "disagreements" area? I think it may be necessary.

    When such support is identified, appropriate measures can be taken. ... The entire death toll of the terrorist attack is 'collateral damage.'

    I'm astonished that people on the street (so to speak) are adopting the kind of veiled - and at the same time, loaded - language that is spoken by government officials. What, exactly, is "appropriate measures"? What, exactly, is "collateral damage"? Please be very specific.

    Had the Free World not responded to Hitler with violence, think about the type of world we would live in today.

    I agree. Did the ends justify all means? Was, say, the bombing of Dresden appropriate? Please research a bit before you answer.

    Brutus is very angry.

    I understand anger, very much. I don't understand the hate that is surfacing. I'm scared, personally. I think the type of hate that is coming up now is more than just anger, it is primitive, pure evil. It's not better than what drives people to go into a school building and shoot down every living thing in sight.

    The time to talk is now obviously over.

    Is the time to think over, too?

    f.

    edited (grammar)

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine

    Brutus, shut the fuck up. It's one thing to be angry, it another thing entirely to be angry, stupid and mean.

    You sir, show that you are not one bit better than the people who did this evil yesterday.

    I am just as angry as you. Hopefully that will not keep me from engaging my brain and moral character.

    If innocent civilians are killed (collateral damage), that is a consequence of the actions taken on 9-11.

    Ustabee, it almost sounds as if you would be sad if there turns out to be a way to do this withOUT innocent civilians bearing those facial features and that skin being killed?

  • Brutus
    Brutus

    How am I being stupid and mean?

    Six, I think you need to SHUT YOUR FUCKING TRAP!!

  • Brutus
    Brutus

    Six,
    Are you fucking STUPID OR WHAT? How could you possibly say I'm not one bit better than the people who did this evil yesterday?

    Did I kill innocent men, women, and children FOR NO APPARENT REASON!!

    You are ONE SICK FUCK!!!

  • Winston
    Winston

    Come on, our getting mad at one another won't solve anything.

    It's out of our hands, but don't make hate cause you to say things you don't really mean.

    Please slow down, slow down!

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine
    Did I kill innocent men, women, and children FOR NO APPARENT REASON!!

    That sounds exactly like what you are advocating. If I'm wrong about that, it is your fault that I am wrong. Make yourself clear as to EXACTLY what course of action you are advocating. It sounds to me as if you relish the thought of "collateral damage" so long as the damage is to people of Arab descent.

    Have I read you wrong?

  • Brutus
    Brutus

    No, I NEVER ADVOCATED THE KILLING OF INNOCENT ARABS!!!!!

    But the fact is that when we do attack innocent lives will be lost.

    Sad but true!!

    And I will pray for those innocent arabs that lose there lives.

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