Assembly & C.O. /D.O. Elder meeting notes

by doinmypart 35 Replies latest jw friends

  • doinmypart
    doinmypart

    I attended the 2004-2005 Circuit Assembly this past weekend. The Internet, online chat rooms, and JW Online Dating was mentioned several times both days. During both the Circuit Overseer's final talk on Sunday and the District Overseer's final talk Sunday they both spent several minutes talking about how the Internet poses a serious danger to God's people.

    The C.O. read Prov 1:22 "how long will YOU stupid ones keep hating knowledge" [the assembly theme was about Godly wisdom], and then said,
    "We should always listen to God's word, and his Organization. If we don't heed Godly wisdom we are stupid, S-T-U-P-I-D. [The C.O. talked about dress/grooming, television, sports/hobbies and each time asked will we listen to wisdom or be S-T-U-P-I-D. After talking about hobbies many in the audience chuckled when he spelled stupid]. We need to listen to the wisdom from above when it comes to using our computers. We should use our computers for theocratic study. And don't be fooled by thinking that secured Witness sites are secure. Some sites ask for a song title or a line from a Kingdom Ministry. Friends don't be S-T-U-P-I-D [the C.O. gestured for the the audience to help him audibly spell stupid, only a few joined], don't you think Satan can read a songbook?"

    The D.O. said,
    "God's Organization has repeatedly warned us about the dangers of apostates and the Internet. We have been warned in Watchtower articles, Kingdom Ministries, and past assemblies and conventions. Yet a number of friends aren't heeding the warnings. [The D.O. reads a couple of scriptures] Brothers and Sisters lets make this the last assembly we have to be warned about the Internet, let's listen to Godly wisdom."

    During other talks pleas were made to young people. I didn't take notes, but the main thought was that taking in Godly Wisdom is much more valuable than worldly wisdom or education. A university education can teach you about Alexander the Great, but only Jehovah can introduce you to him in the coming New World. Young ones were encouraged to listen to Jehovah, the Organization, their parents, and the elders. Then an experience was related of a young brother that led a double life, only to come back to Jehovah a few years later, and then die of AIDS.

    During our Circuit elders meeting with the C.O. and D.O. on Saturday evening we talked about Judicial Committees and Reinstatement. The C.O. and D.O. alternately discussed various points from their outline as follows:
    Judicial Committees and Appeal Committees have mistakenly rendered mercy where it was undeserved. This only hurts the congregation. Publishers are in contact with individuals that should have been disfellowshipped. Publishers may become prey to these wolves in sheep clothing, or the Publishers may think that it is ok to engage in serious wrongdoing and come away with private reproof.
    Don't be quick to re-instate someone disfellowshipped. A couple of years ago we were told whenever a disfellowshipped person makes a plea for re-instatement we are to meet with the person. However this does not mean we should re-instate the person. Some have been re-instated after 6 months, the Branch is concerned about the decisions of committees in this regard. We need to allow sufficient time to see the person's works of repentance which could take a year or years. It is hard enough for us to be aware of what a publisher is doing when he is in the congregation, it is more difficult when they are outside the congregation, so allow sufficient time.

    In the elders meeting the D.O. also said before extending privileges to a brother that previously served as an Elder or M.S. but was dealt with judicially, contact the Branch. This would include giving the brother an application to Regular Pioneer or recommendation to serve as M.S.

    In my opinion it seems the Society is getting stricter. The last two D.O. we've had are very much Society-men. There are a number of young (Elder) MTS graduates in our circuit, in addition to being young (mid-20s) they are very charismatic in their talks and try to reach out to/recruit young ones to pioneer; very good PR men that tow the WT line. They serve in Congregations as P.O. or Service Ov. Another peeve is the WT message of do more is unrelenting, and then we hear, "are you tired? stop partying on the weekend and wasting time in unnecessary pursuits, then you will have energy for spiritual pursuits". Or we're constantly being chided as if we're children for wearing something wrong/watching something bad/associating with so-and-so. This has gotten beyond ridiculous, the WT's control over minutia is amazing. I realize many of the R&F (like my family) are good people and believe what they're told, but the WT has to end sooner rather than later. People lose their lives to the WT taskmaster by wasting hours in "serving" God or to some messed up blood policy. Something's gotta give.

  • hillbilly
    hillbilly
    Yet a number of friends aren't heeding the warnings. [The D.O. reads a couple of scriptures] Brothers and Sisters lets make this the last assembly we have to be warned about the Internet, let's listen to Godly wisdom."

    Dealing with the masses via ultimatum again, are we? No good ever comes of that.

    Sounds to me like they are losing control. The net is forcing thier hand. Information is a dangerous thing and the wholesale investagative potential of the internet scares the bejesus ot of Brooklyn.

    During other talks pleas were made to young people. I didn't take notes, but the main thought was that taking in Godly Wisdom is much more valuable than worldly wisdom or education. A university education can teach you about Alexander the Great, but only Jehovah can introduce you to him in the coming New World. Young ones were encouraged to listen to Jehovah, the Organization, their parents, and the elders. Then an experience was related of a young brother that led a double life, only to come back to Jehovah a few years later, and then die of AIDS

    Same tune ........ new dance hall..... they have been using this kind of tactic since Hector wore knee pants. Maybe thats why the JW kids still leave in droves?

    Can Brooklyn spell "stoooooopid"?

    --------Hill

  • Mary
    Mary
    Some have been re-instated after 6 months, the Branch is concerned about the decisions of committees in this regard. We need to allow sufficient time to see the person's works of repentance which could take a year or years. It is hard enough for us to be aware of what a publisher is doing when he is in the congregation, it is more difficult when they are outside the congregation, so allow sufficient time.

    Christ..............even the frigging Amish, who also practice shunning, aren't this pathetic.....they shun their followers on average for only a period of a few weeks generally, yet these bozos are now thinking it's okay to DF someone for YEARS??? Ya, sounds real Christ-like to me....

    "God's Organization has repeatedly warned us about the dangers of apostates and the Internet. We have been warned in Watchtower articles, Kingdom Ministries, and past assemblies and conventions. Yet a number of friends aren't heeding the warnings.

    And how exactly do they know that?? Guess they spend the majority of their time casing sites like this one......I wonder if they can count that as "time" when they report it to themselves..............they're getting more and more pathetic as time goes by. Pretty soon, they'll want people to check with them when they buy toilet paper.............

  • BrendaCloutier
    BrendaCloutier

    Double post, see below

  • BrendaCloutier
    BrendaCloutier

    Brother S.T.U.P.I.D. inciting ignorance as godly. Baa'ah

    Peace

    Bren

  • Elsewhere
    Elsewhere

    For several years there has been an internal power struggle in the WTS between the hard-liners and the reformers. One of the more clear symptoms of this was the way they recalled the Blood Cards that allowed Autologous Blood Transfusions. The reformers managed to get those out but then the hard-liners called them back in.

    It is now clear that the Hard-liners are wining. Because they won they will now start to squeeze the rank-and-file like never before. The Hard-liners love power and control and will squeeze until only the truly brainwashed are left.

  • minimus
    minimus

    Very interesting.....Thanks for this info!!!!!! We are seeing Watchtower become worse Pharisees than ever before! They are going to tell JWs how to deal in EVERY SINGLE aspect of their life. Personal opinion and conscience is being replaced with RULES, RULES and MORE RULES! They have decided to take the bull by the horns and go after people. This will scare the rank and file into following everything they are told to accept. They will see that those who disobey them will be severely penalized EVEN if they want to come back. The JW cultists are force-feeding the dumb "flock". I HOPE ANYONE THAT READS THIS THREAD CAN SEE THAT JWs ARE NOT GOD'S PEOPLE.

  • JH
    JH

    Don't be quick to re-instate someone disfellowshipped.
    And then they tell us that the end is near...?

  • minimus
    minimus

    That's right! Disfellowshipped (non)people will die at Armageddon.

  • BONEZZ
    BONEZZ

    Thanks for the update doinmypart. I'm sure it makes a lot of us feel extra happy that we're not a part of that intimidating crap anymore. They just don't get it. They will continue to browbeat their flock and and lose 'em in droves.

    -BONEZZ

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