When Elder's Fade

by zack 43 Replies latest jw friends

  • zack
    zack

    As a publisher, still buying the WT line that they were God's sole channel and any problems, doubts, etc... I had were all a product of my own lack of

    wisdom and or humility or failure of application, I would be shocked and puzzled at how long-time elders would resign and then fade away. I would wonder: What could have happened

    happened to that brother to suddenly lose his faith in and zeal for GOD?

    NOW I KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM ALL!!! They, like me ( elder, pioneer, circuit star) pulled back the curtain and------ no Wizard.

    93,000 elders in 1994. Less than 60,000 today. Coincidence with 1914 generations? The internet? The iron fisted approach to education? The absolute

    demand for loyalty in and obedience to the FDS??? I think not. Thank you all. Thanks Simon! Thanks Randy! Thank you to Ray.

    When you get the truth, it sets you free. I never knew how true that was 'til now.

    Zack-----

  • Outaservice
    Outaservice

    Hi Zack,

    I used to be an Elder too. Where did you get the figures on Elder numbers? This would seem to be a significant drop.

    Outaservice

  • zack
    zack

    Elder figures are from MTS school 2006 spoken directly by the CO. They are roughly the same figures from my pioneer school 3 years ago given by the DO.

    These are US Branch figures. The Branch attributes this to "burn out"----- too many responsibilities. I used to buy this. Now I know the truth.

  • purplesofa
    purplesofa

    thanks for posting

    purps

  • LeslieV
    LeslieV

    interesting information thanks for sharing

    Leslie

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    NOW I KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM ALL!!! They, like me ( elder, pioneer, circuit star) pulled back the curtain and------ no Wizard.

    Me too. It was the 1914 Generation that started me down a path of fading, added 1975 to the list, then once I was
    sure it wasn't the truth, I opened the floodgate of information from the internet and resigned as elder, now fading fast.

  • voltaire
    voltaire

    Count me in as one who faded, sort of. I started having panic attacks and got really stressed out. It's interesting that the GB might atribute the loss of elders to stress. In my case I now realize that the stress was a DIRECT RESULT OF FEELING OBLIGATED TO PARTICIPATE IN A SYSTEM I DIDN'T AGREE with. They were the cause of the stress. I would probably have fine if I had never become an elder. We hauled people in front of committees for the pettiest stuff and as a young elder I really could go along.

    My guess is that a LOT of brothers are fed up with how congregations are run. They either leave altogether, or cut way back so that they don't have express belief in ideas that they don't go along with (blood, 1914, generation changes) or be harsh to the poor brothers in committees. It's not so bad to be a JW if you're rank-in-file (for me anywy, everyone's different).

    Ron

  • Doubting Bro
    Doubting Bro

    Interesting stats Zack. You would think the society would be doing something to try to prevent such a drastic decrease in the low level field managers. Just the paperwork and part preperation are overwhelming after a while.

    You can make that stat less than 60,000 minus 1. I resently submitted a letter of resignation. I was headed down that road even before I had doubts. Now, the decision was pretty easy. At least 2007 is off to a good start for me!

    I also know of circuit stars that are suddenly gone. Sometimes the rumor mill tries to destroy their reputation but I now think that many of them are in the same boat that I'm in.

    In my case I now realize that the stress was a DIRECT RESULT OF FEELING OBLIGATED TO PARTICIPATE IN A SYSTEM I DIDN'T AGREE with. They were the cause of the stress. I would probably have fine if I had never become an elder. We hauled people in front of committees for the pettiest stuff and as a young elder I really could go along.

    Right Voltaire, thats what it came down to with me. Its one thing to sit back and shake your head in disbelief over some insane statement in the Revelation book. Its a completely different thing to sit in front of the congregation and try to act like you think its gospel truth from Gods channel of communication. My conscience couldn't allow me to continue pushing this belief system.

    Another aspect of being an elder is you really get an inside look at how the corporation organization really works. It really is a publishing company using volunteer labor. The elders meetings are usually discussions on 1) how to increase attendance at meetings, 2) increasing hours and sales in service, and 3) making sure that everyone follows corporate dictates. Very little (in my experience) about helping those who need help or even just supporting the average person.

    And then, there's the crazy things that happen in the congregation that you have to deal with. Its one thing when someone asks for advice in dealing with a problem. To me, thats what friends do for one another. But, confessioning all your "sins" to a group of men always struck me as being very strange. The files and letters memorialize this information for years.

    Finally, seeing how the elders really are crushes anyone with a sincere desire to help others. I was shocked in one of my first elder meetings where there was yelling, slamming down books and the like. I couldn't believe it. People that I thought had the congregations best interests at heart, who acted so loving in public, were ogres in real life.

    Theres a limit as to how much of that you can take. The problem for the WTS is that the ones who have the best interests of the congregation at heart (albeit are misguided) are the ones that can't take the stress any longer. So, you're left with a hard core group in some places.

  • BluesBrother
    BluesBrother

    You are spot on DoubtingBro , I was so much a "square peg in a round hole" as an elder . You see so much of it , you cannot honestly believe the party line about being "appointed by Holy Spirit" . Once you know that to be a lie, the rest of it is suspect too.

    The pressure is on elders to speak in agreement, to publicly agree with decisions that you think are plain wrong. Of course you can have a voice on the body, but when it is one against six, you are just outvoted and have to accept what the others want to do . It is easier for the rest. The sisters can get away with grumbling about the elders and having private thoughts on things. You cannot do that when you are one of them and have to put that stuff across from the platform

    Would I still be there if I never had been an elder? No.. but it would have been an easier ride

  • willyloman
    willyloman

    Doubting Bro: You spoke volumes. I identify with and agree with every single thing you said. I'm an ex-elder (22 years) who had a crisis of conscience exactly like the one you describe, and I left. I took my entire family with me (five "publishers"). I sleep much better at night now, knowing I am not aiding and assisting this highly dysfunctional process.

    I've come to discover that JWs are not Christians, but the closest thing to "real" Christians among them are leaving in droves, if they can, and if they can't then they are sitting in the meetings in a dream-like state, biting their tongues. Afterwards, they go back home and to work or school and live their actual lives away from the prying eyes of the congregation. The Watchtower's loss of personnel in recent years, not just physically but in emotional/intellectual terms, is staggering.

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