Is the IBSA's charitable status in the UK vulnerable?

by cedars 25 Replies latest watchtower scandals

  • cedars
    cedars

    Hi everyone

    One thing that has occurred to me recently is how much money the Society makes from being registered as a charity in certain countries. In the UK, the government contributes 28 pence for every pound that is donated (referred to as "gift aid"), effectively increasing the value of each contribution from £1 to £1.28. Not surprisingly, the Society in the UK are doing very well out of this arrangement, and last year according to the Charity Commission's website they made a turnover of £25.7 million, with profits of 7.8 million. I calculate that approximately £5 million of this must have been generated by gift aid.

    The thing is, to my knowledge recent laws that have been passed by parliament stipulating that a charity must be in the "public benefit". Here is a guidance PDF explaining what "public benefit" means in relation to charities.

    http://www.charitycommission.gov.uk/Library/guidance/publicbenefittext.pdf

    In the opening remarks, it says this:

    "Charities are more than 'a good thing' and, as their supporters recognise, are special. Not all organisations can be charities. To be a charity is a mixture of what you are, what you do and how you do it. The core characteristic is public benefit. Whilst the charitable sector is enormous and very diverse, the aims of each and every charity, whatever their size, must be for public benefit. Public benefit is therefore central to the work of all charities."

    It goes on to say, "Being a charity is not the same as being an organisation that does 'good things'. Charity has an outward, inclusive nature: it is not inward-looking, for private benefit."

    Here is a news release from BEFORE the laws were introduced, claiming that they may threaten the charitable status of Jehovah's Witnesses in the UK.

    http://www.religionnewsblog.com/20837/jehovahs-witnesses-18

    I notice this issue was raised on this forum by "Paddington Bear" 3 years ago, when he/she drew attention to a UK government memorandum that specifically drew attention to Jehovah's Witnesses as being a religion that, among others, may have its charitable status revoked.

    Here is what it said:

    17. There may indeed be a case for the removal from the register of some existing charities for the advancement of religion. The beliefs of Christian Scientists and Jehovah's Witnesses, both of which are recognised by the Charity Commission, include a rooted objection to the use of blood transfusions, even for children who are unable to give or refuse consent. The Charity Commission may wish to review the charitable status of those churches and other institutions. The beliefs and practices of the controversial Unification Church should also warrant further investigation. So too should those of the Taylorite sect of the Exclusive Brethren, whose belief in the doctrine of Separation from Evil may also be seen as deleterious to society in that it prevents adherents from associating with those who do not share their beliefs, eg precluding them from joining Trades Unions or professional bodies and sometimes, it is said, causing children to be excluded from the family home.

    Does anybody remember this development 2/3 years ago? At the time Paddington Bear was encouraging people to get involved in a public consultation, but it appears that the consultation has now lapsed. Obviously, the IBSA is still a charity in Britain (and making huge sums of money from their status as such) so whatever consultation there was must have had little impact.

    Does anybody feel it's worth pursuing this, i.e. getting it investigated by the papers etc? In the light of the ongoing economic downturn in the UK and spending cuts etc, it seems obscene that government money is being used to prop up an organisation that encourages people to refuse lifesaving medical treatment and abandon their teenage children if they are disfellowshipped. It certainly doesn't fit in with David Cameron's "big society"! How can all of that be claimed as being for "public benefit"?

  • Mickey mouse
    Mickey mouse

    This has been discussed before, take a look at this thread for some background http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/143526/1/IMPORTANT-JWS-and-the-CHARITIES-COMMISSION

    I wrote to the Charity Commission as did many others. I received a canned 'thank you for your letter' response and nothing more.

    Sadly Dansk, the person who started the thread above died a couple of years ago. Have a look at the thread to see who else got involved.

  • cedars
    cedars

    Thanks mickey mouse, I am aware that this may have come up before.

    Since starting the thread I've been digging on the Charity Commission website and found an online "Decision Review" form, where you can submit evidence as to why an organisation's charitable status should be revoked. Here it is:

    http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/reviewprocform.aspx

    Has anyone tried filling it in? If so, with what success/response?

  • Mickey mouse
    Mickey mouse
    Does anybody feel it's worth pursuing this, i.e. getting it investigated by the papers etc? In the light of the ongoing economic downturn in the UK and spending cuts etc, it seems obscene that government money is being used to prop up an organisation that encourages people to refuse lifesaving medical treatment and abandon their teenage children if they are disfellowshipped. It certainly doesn't fit in with David Cameron's "big society"! How can all of that be claimed as being for "public benefit"?

    and yes, I agree. Given the changed political climate a 'return visit' to this issue may elicit a different response.

  • cedars
    cedars

    Thanks Mickey Mouse, after all the estimated £5million gift aid contribution from last year could have built a hospital wing, or put extra bobbies on the beat, or even just kept the Ark Royal afloat!!

  • cantleave
    cantleave

    Very good points well made Cedars.

    The question is, where does all the damn money go?

  • cedars
    cedars

    I have wandered off topic on another thread, and decided to resurrect this thread which is "on-topic".

    Here are some of the Society's statements regarding public benefit:

    Who benefits from your charity's work?

    Anyone who chooses to read the Bibles and religious literature that we distribute, free of charge, through congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses.

    Congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses and others in the community with whom Jehovah's Witnesses come in contact.

    Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Britain, a sister charity, which is permitted to use residential, factory and office facilities owned by us.

  • cedars
    cedars

    How do you respond to their needs and how do they influence the charity's development?

    We endeavour to keep the congregations well stocked with everything they need, and adjust our purchase of literature accordingly.

    We engage in expanding our facilities, to meet the needs of Watch Tower Society in its activities.

    We make grants to associations representing Jehovah's Witnesses in other countries, for their religious work.

    Question 3 - The Charity's Strategy

    What are the key elements of your charity's medium to long term strategy?

    To anticipate the trend both in the UK and abroad, in connection with the activities of Jehovah's Witnesses.

    Analyse, in conjunction with the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses, what the likely need will be for finance to maintain and expand that work.

    Liaise closely with Watch Tower Society of Britain, to ensure that we have a forward plan to meet their needs for facilities within our buildings.

    Underlying our strategy is our regard for the guidance of the Charity Commission, that our aims and objects must be clearly for the public benefit. We believe this is being amply demonstrated

  • cedars
    cedars

    Public Benefit

    The Trustees confirm that they taken into consideration Charity Commission guidance on public benefit in exercising their powers and duties, and this is amply demonstrated in the report that follows, in particular:

    1. Bible literature we have supplied without charge to congregations of Jehovah’s Witnesses in the UK, has been distributed, gratis, by those congregations, to interested members of the public in their local communities, in the following quantities: 17,180,000 copies of Watchtower and Awake! and 1,180,000 Bibles and Bible study aids.

    2. Our conventions for Bible education were widely advertised by personal invitations delivered to the public nationwide.

  • wobble
    wobble

    More power to you Cedars ! What we have to cut through is the doubel-speak of the WT, as we read those words of theirs we know damn well that very little of what they are talking about is taken up by the public.

    Yes a few crappy magazines will be accepted by the gullible public,often to simply get the JW to move on, and then they go straight in the trash, where they belong, but apart from that, they do nothing for the public.

    I do not think they can point to any altruistic work they do that is seperate from their recruiting work, at least the Sally Army do a lot that does not directly relate to their evangelizing, the WT can point to nothing.

    They pay no tax on their activities, it is my belief that all religions should pay tax on property and profit, just their purely charitable works, works not dependant on being a member of that religion, being exempt.

    In other words, totally seperate the charities from the religions.

    The last I heard the Charities Comm. admitted that many charities were worthy of investigation, but they did not have the staff or the funds to do it !

    I think if enough of a stink is made in the press they will be forced to act.

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