Who Will Conquer the World in the 1970's? - Public Talk

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  • Bonnie_Clyde
    Bonnie_Clyde

    July 1970 KM page 3 (under Announcements) - "A new circuit assembly program is scheduled to begin in September. We believe you will find it most informative and upbuilding. The public talk will be "Who Will Conquer the World in the 1970's?"

    I remember that public talk. I remember the high school where we had the assembly and almost remember the District Overseer who delivered it. I also remember a big sign outside the high school advertising the talk. Boy, I wish I had taken notes or kept them. I KNOW that the "nearness of the end" was emphasized, and we were taught that it would all be over during the 1970's. I don't think he specifically mentioned 1975, but he didn't have to. We had already had enough articles and circuit overseer talks to know what he meant.

  • greendawn
    greendawn

    He was obviously referring to the wrongly predicted armageddon for 1975 and such talks were calculated to whip up a lot of excitement and get the dubs to labour more intensely and make extra sacrifices for the borg, something that they achieved.

    The FDS learnt from the mistakes of the past and did not explicitly mention the end would be in 1975 but they clearly implied it. They later cunningly refused they had anything to do with raising any expectations for 1975.

  • Grace
    Grace

    Just one example, from WT 1966 Oct 15, pp. 628 -629:

    "President Knorr, "a new book in English, entitled 'Life Everlasting-in Freedom of the Sons of God,' has been published." At all assembly points where it was released, the book was received enthusiastically. Crowds gathered around stands and soon supplies of the book were depleted. Immediately its contents were examined. It did not take the brothers very long to find the chart beginning on page 31, showing that 6,000 years of man's existence end in 1975. Discussion of 1975 overshadowed about everything else. "The new book compels us to realize that Armageddon is, in fact, very close indeed," said a conventioner. Surely it was one of the outstanding blessings to be carried home!"

    There are other examples, too, where 1975 IS mentioned as THE date.

    Grace

  • Legolas
    Legolas

    ADAM CREATED AT CLOSE OF "SIXTH DAY"

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    Are we to assume from this study that the battle of Armageddon will be all over by the autumn of 1975, and the long-looked-for thousand-year reign of Christ will begin by then? Possibly, but we wait to see how closely the seventh thousand-year period of man’s existence coincides with the sabbathlike thousand-year reign of Christ. If these two periods run parallel with each other as to the calendar year, it will not be by mere chance or accident but will be according to Jehovah’s loving and timely purposes. Our chronology, however, which is reasonably accurate (but admittedly not infallible), at the best only points to the autumn of 1975 as the end of 6,000 years of man’s existence on earth. It does not necessarily mean that 1975 marks the end of the first 6,000 years of Jehovah’s seventh creative "day." Why not? Because after his creation Adam lived some time during the "sixth day," which unknown amount of time would need to be subtracted from Adam’s 930 years, to determine when the sixth seven-thousand-year period or "day" ended, and how long Adam lived into the "seventh day." And yet the end of that sixth creative "day" could end within the same Gregorian calendar year of Adam’s creation. It may involve only a difference of weeks or months, not years.
  • Leolaia
    Leolaia

    I'd love to hear that talk or read a transcript.

    *** w67 2/15 pp. 118-119 "From a Weak State . . . Made Powerful" ***

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    There is a pioneer brother, still serving in the south of New Zealand at eighty-seven years of age, and his faithful pioneer wife is even a few years older. He sold his business in 1914, so that he could enjoy at least a few months of "colporteur" pioneer service before the expected big crash came in the autumn of that year. He is fond of quoting Jeremiah 20:7: "You have fooled me, O Jehovah , so that I was fooled." For though he had expected his pioneer service on earth to be for a brief season only, it has stretched out through more than fifty rewarding years, together with trials and reproaches. And at last reports, he is still going "strong," like Samson. Would he have had it any different? No! Moreover, he encourages young people to have the same viewpoint that he had back there in 1914. Make the most of the golden opportunity of pioneering the good news NOW!

    And here are the tape-recorded remarks made during the August 1974 "Divine Purpose District Convention" in Utrecht, Holland (cited in Singelenberg 1988:26):

    "The youth has a bright future. Many of us suffered from misery, sickness and death. You don't have to experience that any more. The new order is near... There will be a very special Service Meeting in the week of 8 September 1975. Invite everybody. And what will then happen? Well, we don't tell. You think that if Jehovah makes such an appeal, that there's nothing unusual behind it? Yes? .... Well, sell your house, sell everything you own and say oh boy, how long can I carry on with my private means. That long? Get rid of things! Pioneer! Plan to shower people with magazines during these last months of this dying system of things! Everybody you meet!"

    And of course, there was the infamous Sunutko talk from 1967 along similar lines:

    http://www.freeminds.org/wav/wav.htm

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia

    Are JWs false prophets? Compare these three quotes:

    *** w59 1/15 p. 39 Down with the Old -- Up with the New! ***

    People should listen to the plain preaching by the remnant prefigured by Jeremiah, for these preach to men the present-day fulfillment of Jeremiah's prophecies. Who made them a prophet to speak with the authority that they claim? Well, who made Jeremiah a prophet? .... He did not make himself a prophet. He could not have done so, especially since he was set apart to be a prophet before he was born. Still he could of his own accord agree to and submit to serving as a prophet when told of the vocation for which he was marked out.... Came the year 1919, and the work of witnessing to the nations in fulfillment of Jesus' words was still there to do. It faced all men who claimed to follow and obey Jesus. In that opening year for postwar decisions and work the question of highest importance to Christendom and to all who called themselves Christians was, not, Should all nations get together in a peace league -- but, Who will be Jehovah's prophet to the nations, to speak to them everything that He should command? Who will be the modern Jeremiah?....

    The fact that decides the answer to the question is, not, Do all the clergy of Roman Catholicism and of Protestantism agree that Jehovah's witnesses have been and are God's prophet to the nations -- but, Who discerned the divine will for Christians in this time of the world's end and offered themselves to do it? Who have undertaken God's foreordained work for this day of judgment of the nations? Who have answered the call to the work and have done it down till this year 1958? Whom has God actually used as his prophet? By the historical facts of the case Christendom is beaten back in defeat. Jehovah's witnesses are deeply grateful today that the plain facts show that God has been pleased to use them.

    ***g68 10/8 p. 23 A Time to 'Life Your Head' in Confident Hope***

    True, there have been those in times past who predicted an "end to the world," even announcing a specific date. Some have gathered groups of people with them and fled to the hills or withdrawn into their houses waiting for the end. Yet, nothing happened. The "end" did not come. They were guilty of false prophesying . Why? What was missing? Missing was the full measure of evidence required in fulfillment of Bible prophecy. Missing from such people were God's truths and the evidence that he was guiding and using them.

    *** g93 3/22 Why So Many False Alarms? ***

    Jehovah's Witnesses, in their eagerness for Jesus' second coming, have suggested dates that turned out to be incorrect. Because of this, some have called them false prophets. Never in these instances, however, did they presume to originate predictions "in the name of Jehovah." Never did they say, "These are the words of Jehovah." The Watchtower, the official journal of Jehovah's Witnesses, has said: "We have not the gift of prophecy." (January 1883, page 425).....They are voicing expectations based on their own interpretation of some scripture text or physical event. They do not claim that their predictions are direct revelations from Jehovah and that in this sense they are prophesying in Jehovah's name. Hence, in such cases, when their words do not come true, they should not be viewed as false prophets such as those warned against at Deuteronomy 18:20-22. In their human fallibility, they misinterpreted matters.

  • The Chuckler
    The Chuckler

    Good 'ole WT - the only thing of any note that happened in Oct 1975 was that Kate Winslett was born. Let me see if I can find a quote in Daniel that might prophesy her forthcoming...........

    Well, she has starred in Jude (a Bible book), Holy Smoke (Holy = Godlike), Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (sounds like an Armageddon survivor to me) and not forgetting the WTBS metaphor - Titanic!

  • VM44
    VM44

    Is thre any other reference to "Who Will Conquer the World in the 1970's?" in the Watchtower Library CD? --VM44

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    In the 2001 wtcd, there is one occurance:

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    km 7/70 p. 3 Announcements ***

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    A new circuit assembly program is scheduled to begin in September. We believe you will find it most informative and upbuilding. The public talk will be "Who Will Conquer the World in the 1970’s?"

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  • Honesty
    Honesty
    "Who Will Conquer the World in the 1970’s?"

    Who?

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