What happens when a legally married....?

by sosoconfused 20 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • sosoconfused
    sosoconfused

    LESBIAN couple that has a child decides that they want to be one of Jehovahs Witnesses? Really think about this for a second.

    What will they do then.

    Option 1: Will they tell them that they have to get a divorce and ignore the scriptural counsel of Jehovah hating a divorcing? WIll they say that it was never valid anyway in the eyes of Jehovah? Probably - but imagine the impact that it would have in the media. "Watchtower tells homosexual couples they must divorce". What happens to the child... the home and belongings.... etc. it would be insane. Could they go out in service? Imagine a known lesbian couple going out in the ministry, it would be insane to the R&F

    Option 2: They tell them they can stay together but they can not get baptized. To avoid legal trouble. THey would have to tell them that the most important thing is that they are dedicated and hopefully they can still recieve the benefit of the ranson. This presents so many problems though. Now people will reason that they don't have to necessarily get baptized to recieve the benefits of the ransom - this would prevent everyone from getting baptized because now they can avoid all the responsibility and disfellowshipping. LOL

    Option 3: They can get baptized but they can't have any priveledges of services. THey would have it made and never have to worry about the rat race

  • blondie
    blondie

    I would expect the WTS would expect them to separate and live under separate roofs sharing child responsibilities and financial responsibilities in order to be baptized. People in common-law marriages, may not be able to marry the other person due to not being able to get a divorce. They may even have children together. They would be expected to live separately

    There are situations that are even more complicated. I remember a woman coming who had actually been born a man and surgery to change their gender. The elders said they had to wear men's clothing and had to use the men's restroom. Actually, the sisters didn't mind "her" using the women's restroom.........but the men were queasty about having a man who had his penis removed using the men's restroom.

  • Quendi
    Quendi

    The first thing any LGBT person should do with respect to Jehovah’s Witnesses is to have nothing whatsoever to do with them! The WTS is both unprepared and unwilling to deal with the reality of same-sex dating, courtship and marriage. Its attitude toward such people is they must become celibate, abandon their partners/spouses, and fully embrace the homophobic WTS culture. There is absolutely no place for any LGBT person in the ranks of Jehovah’s Witnesses regardless of how the organization tries to sugar coat its virulently anti-LGBT stance. My partner has begged me to never associate with the Witnesses on a religious or social basis again, and I have told him that is my whole-hearted desire as well.

    I have wondered what, if any, instructions the organization has given to American congregations about how to talk to same-sex couples they will meet in their door-to-door canvassing. Same-sex marriage is now legal in nine states with more considering lifting their bans and legalizing it. The majority of the American public now supports same-sex marriage and the right of same-sex couples as well as LGBT people to adopt children. Then there are countries like Belgium, Canada, the Netherlands, Spain and South Africa which have legalized same-sex marriage. How are Witnesses in those lands supposed to react and respond to this sweeping social change?

    Most likely, there will be no attempts to integrate LGBT people into congregations nowadays. More LGBT people are awakening to the fact that there is nothing wrong with us; that we are not perverts; that we don’t need to “pray the gay away” or in any other way deny our true nature or give in to self-hatred. We are every bit as much God’s children and fully realized human beings as anyone else. So I very much doubt the Witnesses will be making many converts among LGBT people who are now or will become quite secure in their sexual identity.

    Of course, there are still many LGBT people who are active Witnesses. I knew a few when I still associated with the organization. Most were closeted, revealing their identity only to a trusted few. Some were involved in unhappy marriages. Others were “on the downlow”, that is secretly having encounters or even affairs with others of the same sex. And while some professed to be happy, all whom I knew, including Yours Truly, were frustrated and lonely. Forced into an unnatural celibacy, denied the love and security that having a spouse and family would give, and despised by many homophobic Witnesses, the lives of such people are deeply troubled and unhappy. Some stay because they believe they have no other place to go. Others eventually break free and discover what real life is all about. I am glad I was able to finally do the latter.

    Quendi

  • Lady Lee
    Lady Lee

    I know one couple who were told they could live together just as long as they didn't have sex together.

  • rebel8
    rebel8

    No they wouldn't be able to get baptized. It is considered loose conduct or whatever.

    There have been posts in past years about similar situations. For example, a polygamous family had to divorce so it became a couple.

    I don't know what legal trouble you mean--you must not be in the US if there is legal trouble for a church banning homosexuality--here it's not illegal.

  • blondie
    blondie

    LL,

    That must have before this policy in the elders manual

    stayed all night in the same house with a person of the opposite sex (or in the same house with a known homosexual) under improper circumstances
  • Nika Bee
    Nika Bee

    In my hall there was an individual, at that time a married elder, who found out that genetically he was female.

    He wrote to the society and they told him, he basically can choose, "what he wants to consider himself". But no matter what he cannot be an elder anymore.

    When the authorities found out, their marriage was annulled, as this was before gay/lesbian marriage in this country was legal. However they continued to live together, and where active JW in good standing. Later he/she was required to change his passport and name to a female.

    They still live together, and I think they still attend meetings once in a while. Since I haven't been there for years, I don't kno how the situation has been handled.

  • ShirleyW
    ShirleyW

    Well, as I've shared here before, the name that I go by on this thread I chose just to show the hyporcrisy in Borg, Shirley and her "pioneer roommate" started attending the Cong I attended growing up when I was in elementary school, I'm now over 50 and they're still roommates . . . go figure, and I know somewhere on this planet there are roommates that have been together for many year that are not "a couple" but if you just knew these two, there would be know question.

  • Pickler
    Pickler

    Why any gay or lesbian couple would ever choose to become a JW is beyond me........I would have thought this would never, ever happen. Shirley W however has just proved me wrong.

    I have known a few people in my life who have had confused gender issues, I'm sure the elders would have been a great help (ahhhhhhh)!!!

  • ShirleyW
    ShirleyW

    Hey Pickler, you've never had a brother in your Cong that appeared as if he was playing on the other team? In my cong we had a few, but this one Bro/Sis I met that was a friend of a JW co-worker of mine, I kept asking her if this Bro/Sis gave talks and stuff and she said yes. This was back in the 80's when I met him so I hope he's totally on the team of his choice now, but he made Michael Jackson look like John Wayne . . . if ya' know what I'm sayin'

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