1906 Training for Colporteurs - a real eye-opener

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  • Lady Lee
    Lady Lee

    In my wanderings around the net I have discovered some very interesting things. This particular piece is based on a training session for colporteurs during the Believers in the Atonement Sacrifice of Christ Convention held in Ashbury Park New Jersey July 22-29, 1906.

    I will bold some of their comments that I found interesting and will add my comments in red

    Those Intending to Enter the Work

    Do not think it is a flowery bed of ease; the Lord is not going to carry us to heaven that way. And of course the more active you become in the Lord’s service, the more will the adversary persecute you. We will also require to take the "two bears" along with us, that Bro. Russell spoke about. Before I ever knew anything about the truth, I said that before you see me selling books, you will see me stealing. I do not have any pleasure in going up to houses to sell books and it is not because I have a liking for selling books that I am in the service. If it was not for the truth I would sell my books to the paper man and go into some other business. The Lord’s promise is that He will be with those that serve Him, and they will be among those that will reign with Him.

    Yup sell books. They were a little more honest about what they were doing - at least with each other

    One of the most important things for the colporteur to remember is to put feeling into his work, put your whole soul into it. You must not forget that part of it, for you cannot make others believe something you tell them if you do not act, as though you believed it.

    That term "whole-souled" come to mind

    Method

    A great many have thought—well, I cannot use anyone else’s method, I must use my own. But you have learned something along other lines and none of us are too old to learn something more. It may be a little hard, but we would not expect you to copy one’s demeanor. We must be as natural as possible, but that does not hinder us from learning a new method that has proven successful.

    This struck me as odd. Basically do it our way even though it might not feel comfortable. Nothing like conformity. I thought this didn't start until after Rutherford took over but the seeds during Russell's presidency is very clear.

    A certain set of rules or principles are always carried out in every sale of books, whether we realize it at the time or not. My thought in presenting the work is to bring up thoughts in their minds and I usually do it by suggesting two questions, arousing their curiosity, but leaving the questions unanswered. I suggest the question as to why God permits evil, after explaining it some, and say, you know this is a large subject and you would not expect me to tell all about it, and I would only make a botch of it in comparison with this book. The thought is to magnify the question, as Jesus magnified the law. Everyone knows that evil is in the world. Build on that thought as much as possible. God has power to prevent such things and why is it that he does not? Make that point just as clear and strong as possible. The other question is in regard to God’s provision for the heathen.

    Well nothing like calling your "audience" a heathen. So even at this time, way before Rutherford showed up, there is a clear "us vs. them" thinking

    One of the first things in canvassing is to hide your book. I never let it appear to people that I am a book agent. I carry my book in a little bag pinned to my shoulder, under my coat. (There is a sister who will supply these bags for the colporteurs if you write to the Bible House.) Set yourself right in the eyes of the people to begin with. If they see your book they will have a bad impression right away. It is unjust to ourselves to make a bad impression at the start. Do not feel that you are bothering the people, for we take only about four minutes of their time, and we are bringing what should be a great blessing to them. If you can not sell a book quickly you are not likely to sell it at all. There are certain things that must be done in every case before you can sell to a person, namely: arouse curiosity, you will thus gain attention, and then arouse interest, which in turn will create a desire, if properly handled. These points are dwelt upon at length in the "Hints to Colporteurs," which can be had from the Bible House, and which I would recommend that you all study carefully. Be smiling, kind, etc. Be over polite, or more than etiquette would demand. If you get half a chance to thank a person for something, do it. Make it a matter of principle and the people will realize that there is something back of it, that you are a Christian.

    Yup sell those books. I haven't found a link to "Hints to Colporteurs" but one of the lists titles them as "Suggestive Hints to Colporteurs"

    Questions

    Q. About the bags?

    A. A sister in Allegheny will make these bags—write the Bible House about the matter. Some of the sisters fasten the book on the back of their purse or shopping bag.

    Q. Do you try to get the names of the people in advance?

    A. I have never cared to do so. One thing I do however, is to find out if they are Protestant or Catholic. For three years I made no distinction, but after working in some places where Catholics were very thick, I soon got tired of it. If we do not put the book into people’s hands, we do not reap the wheat, so I believe in working and spending my time where the most can be accomplished in the same length of time. I find that Catholics who get into the truth, usually get out of that church first and then get the truth. Since I left them alone, I have doubled my sales, for I could spend my time where it would do more good and I feel justified in doing so. I inquired three or four doors ahead, so that if the people at the next door should not be at home, the others would be. I ask them if they are Protestants, even if I know they are.

    So who they are isn't important. Whether you can make the sale is the important thing. Forget that there might actually be Catholics who will listen. Go where the quick sale is easiest.

    Q. Is it best to remain or go into the room if they invite you?

    A. In the summer-time, especially, I do not go in. I tell them I do not want to be in their way, etc., or sometimes step just inside the vestibule. If it were a tony neighborhood I might go inside. Perhaps with sisters it would be better for them to go in.

    Q. Is it best to call on their pastor first or last?

    A. In the cities I never call on them at all. The 5c Tower has been sent to every English speaking minister in the world, so they know about it. I keep clear of the preachers, you endanger your orders otherwise. You might call on them in the country towns if you felt so disposed.

    No point in alerting anyone that you are selling in their area

    Q. Do you canvas for the three books? (they are talking about selling the first three books of Studies in the Scriptures?)

    A. Yes.

    Q. How do you drop down to one book?

    A. After I have presented the three books and do not get their order, I say something like this: (they may remark that they cannot afford to buy the book) well, now, we often do like this, this first volume is a complete work and all the subjects that I have mentioned are treated in this volume. We often bring just the one volume, and many say that just one of those subjects is worth 35c. After reading this, if you desire to get the others, you can send to the Bible Society and get them. Your neighbor, Mrs. So & So, is doing that way. Where they say they have books treating on those subjects, you know that that is pretty near not true. Usually they are not the ones you can sell to anyway.

    So if they won't buy the 3 books try to get them on just one even if you tell them what other people have bought

    Q.What would you do if you were presenting the Studies in Scripture and you saw they had the Millennial Dawn books?

    A. I would try to sell the books anyway, because we know it is only prejudice they have.

    Now this is bizzare. The Studies series is the same as the Millenial Dawn series. As far as I have seen it is the same book with a different title. To make matters worse, try to sell your books even if they have the other set

    Q. How would you answer if they were to ask you—"Is this the same as Millennial Dawn?"

    A. I would try to evade the question by asking them—"What does Millennial Dawn teach?" They would doubtless say it taught this and that, etc., which we would know it does not teach. You could then say: "this work does not teach anything like that."

    WOW Evade the question and if asked directly LIE

    Q. Do you ever refer to the Chart of the Ages?

    A. I very seldom do and for this reason: —When you open up the chart, there is something like this running through their minds: There are so many marks, etc., that must be for a minister or student, I could never make much out of it. It depends upon how intelligent she is whether it is safe to show the chart. If you do show the chart you can say: You have often heard how the Bible contradicts itself; and, of course, they will agree with you. Then say, here is a little chart that clearly explains the Bible and shows that it does not contradict, but this is an illustration of God’s plan of salvation as found in the Scriptures. Give a little chart talk and show her how to rightly divide the word of truth.

    Q. About how many volumes do you sell per day?

    A. That depends upon the territory and how long I work each day. I usually work about 8 hours and I think my average would be 30 volumes.

    Q. Do you ever try to sell the six books?

    A. No, I very seldom do, it depends whether the person is hungering for the truth. You often spoil the sale of three books while trying to sell the six.

    Don't overwhelm them with the books. Selling 3 is easier than trying to sell 6 so go for the smaller sale

    Q. How about delivering three months after your order was taken?

    A. That would depend upon the person and why it was. I try to get the orders as near as possible. I sometimes take an order for delivery two months later, but seldom more. I usually try to deliver on the following Monday. If I cannot get them on the three volumes or the first volume, I say: I see you are interested in the books anyway and our Society has published this same work in pamphlet form which we supply for only 10c. They often tell me to bring the good binding.

    Well well well. This same tactic is still used. if you can't get them to buy one thing make sure to have something cheaper just so you sell something

    Q. Do you take trades for books?

    A. Yes, if I can take it out in groceries or furnishing goods.

    Q. Do you loan books?

    A. Yes.

    Q. Do you ever sell on credit?

    A. No.

    Q. When working an aristocratic section, if the servant comes to the door and the lady of the house will not come down, what do you do?

    A. My advice is to go where the books are desired.

    Don't bother with trying to sell to a servant

    Q. Do you always sell the set for 98c?

    A. Yes, a dollar sounds pretty big.

    a true marketing ploy

    Q. What explanation for selling the books so cheap?

    A. The books have been so much appreciated that the Bible Society has made a specialty of them and the work is not a money making scheme. The circulation is so large and so many have become interested in the Bible through reading the books that they voluntarily contribute to the Society’s expenses. We, too, have been so helped by the books that we are doing this work wholly from the deep interest we have in it as a Christian work. Talk in a low tone, as it is more reverential and more in keeping with your work. I emphasize what I am speaking about, as much as possible, and I put lots of earnestness into the work.

    still the same song. And we can't appear to be fanatical so behanve in a proper manner

    Q. What do you say if they ask you what church you belong to?

    A. This is an undenominational work, we are connected with a Bible Society whose works are for all Christians. It does not matter much what church you belong to if your name is written in heaven.

    I remember being taught to avoid saying I was a JW if at all possible

    Q. If they say, I have always been a Presbyterian and do not read anything but Presbyterian books?

    A. I tell them that I find Christians in all churches.

    Q. How about entering saloons?

    A. I do not think it advisable. It is apt to bring reproach upon the truth. We are looking for wheat and are not likely to find any in the saloons.

    Of course no reproach can ever be brought upon the truth. And there could never ever be someone there that might need some spiritual support

  • VM44
    VM44

    Thanks for posting this Lady Lee.

    Do you know who was the author of these "instructions"?

    --VM44

  • VM44
    VM44

    Definition of Colporteur: "A peddler of devotional literature"

    They had to stop using that word when they started to claim that they "were not peddler's of God's word."

    --VM44

  • Lady Lee
    Lady Lee

    The beinning of this part of the convention says:


    Colporteur Meeting, Tuesday Afternoon, August 14

    This service was opened by singing No. 42 in Glad Songs, "Opportunities for Service."

    Brother Russell had previously given a talk to the Colporteurs in the morning on the subject of the "Harvest Work," so Bro. Williamson, Chairman, opened the afternoon service by saying that the occasion of it was to give intending colporteurs some practical ideas. Also for the colporteurs to get together and get better acquainted and discuss among themselves the opportunities for service and to tell the way the Lord is blessing and assisting them. Brother James H. Cole, who has been very successful in the work was then introduced and was asked to take charge of the meeting and to give some practical suggestions along the lines of the method which he has found so successful. He spoke as follows:


    I will take a look at the earlier part and see if it really is Russell who gave the talk

  • Lady Lee
    Lady Lee

    Saturday Morning, July 28, Library Hall

    Colporteur Meeting

    At the close of the Praise and Testimony meeting, Brother Russell addressed the friends on the subject of the Colporteur work, and said that so far as he could understand the leadings of the Lord’s providence, the Colporteur work was one of the principal means the Lord is using in this harvest time for the accomplishment of the work of the harvest.

    Inasmuch as Brother Russell’s address to colporteurs at the St. Paul’s convention appears elsewhere in this report, it is not thought necessary to give his address at Asbury Park, as they are similar. However, at the close of Brother Russell’s address an opportunity was given for questions to be asked, touching various features of the harvest work, and especially concerning the colporteur work, and such of these as seem to be specially interesting are here given.

    Q. Please indicate the best method for giving out tracts?

    A. We think there are two tracts, and only two that the colporteurs should give out. That is not saying anything against the other tracts. One is No. 54, "The Dark Cloud and the Silver Lining," and "Do You Know," is also a good one. We advise that the colporteurs do not take the other tracts! but let the volunteers give out the others.

    The directions are already controlled - who should give out what

    Q. Do you advise that we give out these tracts when we colporteur?

    A. I think I would only give them out where I miss taking an order. If I take the order, I would leave no tract.

    Q. Do you think colporteurs should do volunteer work?

    A. I don’t know any reason why they should not, but my thought is this: that the colporteur would do better to avoid volunteer work and use his time in a little different way. For instance, those colporteuring the week, and supposedly using up about all the energy they have to spare, when Sunday comes, had better look over their book of names and see who are marked as interested, and use their time in visiting them.

    Very interesting that already they were taking names and cakking back on people. This is 1906!!

    Q. In case of one with a family dependent upon him, if arrangements could be made, would it be all right to go into the colporteur work?

    A. I would not think it right for a wife, for instance, to leave her home and husband in any measure of neglect. She has a wifely duty towards her husband and her home. But if this husband were in the truth, and agreeable to it, all right. If he were a worldly husband, he has a right to demand that his home should be cared for; that is part of the wife’s contract, which I think she must not violate.

    Wifely subjection so soon but then the tmes were different too.

    Q. If the husband is a worldly man, but willing for his wife to go out, what then?

    A. All right, sister, if he is willing; but I would take heed never to run the matter to a limit. Always consider the companion, his interests, and what he might reasonably ask or expect.

    Q. What is the proper way for volunteer workers to introduce a tract?

    A. I do not think the tracts usually need introduction, particularly, unless the person happened to be on the porch, when I would just say something like this: "Will you have some free reading matter?" Put the word "free" in quite prominently so they will not think it is something for sale, and make sure they hear it.

    " free' already a buzzword to catch a person's attention. You know I'm really surprised to see this kind of salesmanship being taught at this point

    Q. Haven’t the colporteurs already done a volunteer work when they have distributed tracts over the city?

    A. Well, if they have missed nearly all their sales.

    Q. How should we deal with those who refuse to take the books after ordering them? How strong should we insist on their taking them?

    A. I would say, never under any circumstances should we be rude or act in any unchristian manner; not for the price of a dozen sets should we think of doing anything that would bring discredit to the Great Master whom we represent. We are to remember that we are ambassadors for the King of Kings and Lord of Lords, and as such we must not think of doing anything that would be mean, or even going down to the plane of those we are talking to, if they are mean. How then must we do? I answer thus: We might very properly say, "Well now, lady (or sir) you certainly ordered these with full knowledge, and I really think that you are hardly considering my circumstances properly when you refuse to take them. You know it took considerable of my time to call here and talk to you on the subject, and I am not paid anything for this; it is a love for the truth and a desire to serve you. And then consider that it takes time for me to bring you the book, and the labor is worth something of course. Now all I have in this matter is an allowance by the Society that I get such a proportion of whatever comes in from those books, which are sold at cost price. Three books for one dollar don’t amount to anything, and I should not think you would back out of this matter unless there was some misconception in your mind. It seems to me that somebody must have been saying something to you to prejudice you, and you have perhaps forgotten what I said to you about the books when I took your order. Now, my friend, let me tell you that there are enemies of this book, but as a rule you will find the enemies are those who have never read them. The enemies of theses books are people who have never studied them. I take it that you are an intelligent man (or woman, as the case may be—and that can be said of nearly everybody that would order a book); you seem to have a great deal of intelligence, and I suppose you do some thinking for yourself. Now I will say this to you, that if you will take the books and keep them for a week or a month, I will tell you where I will be, and if you then tell me, after reading them, that they are not helpful to you, and not worth much more than a dollar, I will take them back and refund your money, and that will be all that will be said about it." So I would make a very dignified argument, and if after I had said everything that I could reasonable say, they concluded they would not take them, I would just say, "Well, all right; we will leave it that way; I will take them back."

    good grief - talk about manipulating people - using guilt, trying to make them feel indebted, pulling the persecution issue, fake flattery, and an appeal to the low cost. I'm getting a whole other perspective of Russell and I'm not liking it

    Q. I heard a brother say he asked some to pay him for his time. Would you consider that proper where they refused to take the books?

    A. I do not think I would ask the person to pay me for my time, unless it was a case like this: If it was a party who had bought the books and paid for them, and was asking me to give the money back again, saying he did not want to read them, then I think it would be proper to say to him: "Well, now, my friend, if you really insist on my taking them back, you certainly would be willing that I should have something for my time, and I think you will admit that a quarter for the time I spent with you in coming to canvass and a quarter for bringing them to you is little enough. But I do not want the books back; I want you to get the benefit of them; that is the reason I am in this work." By the time he has reasoned out all of that, he will be likely to allow you to persuade him to take the books.

    I don't even know what to say

    Q. I have sold quite a number of the five-cent volumes where I could not sell the others. In one case a gentleman says, "You are selling these for ten cents, and they are marked five cents on the front." Is it better to sell them for five cents and not get the revenue, or should that be changed so nobody will be inclined to be prejudiced?

    A. I would just say the five cents on there is all right. You can send and get as many of those you want at five cents a copy. They are published just at cost price. The five cents is what I am getting for my time in bringing them around. If you stop for a moment and think about it you will see that I could not afford to sell them at five cents.

    So the marked price is for naught. Ask double and hope they dont' notice. And then they don't get paid (mentioned earlier) but double the price as their salary for their time - talking out of both sides of the mouth

    Q. In delivering a set of books ordered by a lady, I handed her husband the books, and while his wife went in after the money, he says, "Are these books anything like Millennial Dawn?" I said, "This work treats on lines of chronology, etc." I turned him off the track and got the money and went away. After going away I felt a little bad, wondering if I had taken the right course.

    A. I think probably we would have to supply in our minds part of what we supposed. We would suppose from the man’s question that he has some prejudice against Millennial Dawn, and that his prejudice is unfounded. That is to say, it is founded upon some misrepresentation or misunderstanding of what Millennial Dawn is. So this is not what he thinks Millennial Dawn is, so far as we know; therefore, I think you were justified in putting it in the form you did.

    My mouth is hanging open. Didn't Russell write them all? Everything I have found says Russell wrote them - both sets the same with just the name change


    From Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studies_in_the_Scriptures

    Arrangement and contents

    Volume 1 — The Divine Plan of the Ages1886
    This volume elementary topics, and attempts to show God has a clear plan for mankind.
    Volume 2 — The Time is at Hand1889
    This volume offers a complete Bible chronology, keys to time prophecies, the second advent of Christ, and the identification of the Antichrist.
    Volume 3 — Thy Kingdom Come1891
    This volume describes the prophecies of the Bible in further detail, along with the fate of Israel and information on the Great Pyramid as being built under God's direction. The section on Pyramidology was influenced by the theories of Charles Piazzi Smyth, who also helped review it.
    Volume 4 — The Day of Vengeance1897
    Originally titled The Battle of Armageddon, this volume shows the causes of the dissolution of the present order, and reveals the Biblical remedy as God's kingdom.
    Volume 5 — The At-one-ment Between God and Men1899
    Discusses man's nature, the work of redemption, and the Holy Spirit.
    Volume 6 — The New Creation1904
    The volume covers the seven days of Creation found in Genesis, and discussion of the duties and responsiblities of a Christian, in both family and personal life.


    and from Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Taze_Russell

    he published the long promised The Plan of the Ages (later renamed The Divine Plan of the Ages). In the course of preparation, Russell concluded the book was to be merely the first of a seven-volume series. The remaining volumes, originally called Millennial Dawn, but later renamed Studies in the Scriptures to clarify that they were not novels, were:

    • The Time is at Hand (1889)
    • Thy Kingdom Come (1891)
    • The Day of Vengeance" later retitled "The Battle of Armageddon'' (1897)
    • The At-one-ment Between God and Men (1899)
    • The New Creation (1904)


    He wrote them both because they were the same set of books and here he is telling someone it is OK to not tell the truth - just get the money and run. So much for my belief he was just misguided

    Q. Which do you advise now, sets of three or five or six?

    A. I think a great deal depends on the colporteur himself whether he could sell five or six or three better. As far as our experience goes, it would seem to indicate that the majority can sell three copies just about as easily as they can sell one copy.

    The selling of three for 98 cents seems to strike people as being remarkably cheap, whether they are interested in the books or not. You could say "There are two sets of these studies; the first set is 98 cents; the books of the other set are thicker, and if you want them either now or in the future you can get them also." So you see you can let them know there are two sets, but in speaking of them as different sets, you are thus keeping their minds free from thinking that they were not getting a complete set. Each book is really complete in itself.

    pure manipulation and dishonesty - anything for the sale - I'm disgusted

    Q. Would you always advise where people ask if those books are Millennial Dawn that we pursue the course mentioned by the brother here? Sometimes they have the Millennial Dawn books in the house, and if we sell them the Studies, and a half hour after we are gone they discover they have got exactly the same thing, and must realize that we knew it was the same thing, wouldn’t it prejudice them? Is it always wise?

    A. I should say I do not think a case, such as you mention would occur once in a thousand times, that the person who knew what was in Millennial Dawn would be opposed. It is when they have a misconception of it when they are opposed. Therefore when you have such a question, you are merely having a question with a wrong face to it in their minds. Another brother did this way: He said, "In some respects this book is very much like Millennial Dawn, and by-the-way Millennial Dawn has a great many things in it." The party bought it, but he would not buy Millennial Dawn. I would not advise, however, that any person should violate his or her conscience in the matter.

    So get away with it if it doesn't bother your conscience. Of course there is no concern about setting up "prejudice" for the next time they might be knocking on this person's door

    Q. There has been some objection offered to distributing tracts early on Sunday morning. What would you advise?

    A. I should say that was not a well founded objection.

    Q. I have had people object to delivering tracts on Sundays, and I answer their objections "that this is Sunday reading."

    A. Very good, brother.

    This might refer back to a very common belief that one did not work on Sundays. When I was a kid it was a big -no-no. Caling the distribution of "Sunday reading" somehow gets past the objection and ignores that one is working on Sunday

    Q. Suppose we are asked whether we are ministers or not?

    A. I would say, "Yes, I am a minister doing this work as being the very best way in which I can get the gospel into the hands of the people."

    "To what denomination do you belong?"

    "I am working under the auspices of the Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society, which is strictly undenominational."

    which could very easily been the case back in 1906

    Q. Where books are ordered, and you come to deliver them, and the husband objects to having them in the house, and the wife is willing to pay you for your trouble, but finally takes them reluctantly, is it all right?

    A. I would always prefer that they take the books. I would say "If you can explain to your husband that they are religious books, and you would like to have him examine them, and if he finds anything wrong with them that is another matter; but I am sure when he reads them he will be pleased to have them in the house."

    notice there is no mention that if the husband finds them objectionalbe after reading them then any problem you cause is not your problem because you got your money and now are long gone

    Q. Is it proper for a person in canvassing ever to go out of his territory, even if it is only across the river?

    A. Do not go outside of the territory to which you have been assigned; you are not privileged to do that.

    This really surprised me. I had no idea that by 1906 Russell already had areas marked into territories. I wonder if part of that has to do with people being angry to be sold the same book twice and not wanting anyone to come across people who were justifyably angry.

    But regardless of the reasoning, the organization is established

    A continuation of the colporteur meeting was held in the afternoon, at which assignments of territory were made, and companions found for those seeking such—not matrimonial companions, as Brother Russell said he was not running a matrimonial bureau. Bro. Cole gave his method of selling the three volumes at 98 cents, and gave practical demonstrations in canvassing.

    Now I'm going to cry if I lose this again

  • VM44
    VM44

    "I am working under the auspices of the Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society,...."

    The publishers today are told never to say that they are "representatives of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society", this is because the WT wants to avoid any being brought into any legal problems brought against the publishers.

    These "Say anything for a Sale" instructions given to the colporteurs don't just sound dishonest, they are dishonest!

    Didn't they realize that, as Lady Lee points out, the "Millenium Dawn" and "Studies in the Scripture" books were the same?

    Did these people have a conscience or not?

    --VM44

  • Lady Lee
    Lady Lee

    VM44

    I always thought that Russell was not as bad as Rutherford. I believed that it was Rutherford who turned the WTS into a money making publishing company.

    Well this report has totally blown that out of the water.

    In my book, Russell is not a whole lot better than Rutherford anymore

  • BluesBrother
    BluesBrother

    It does not matter much what church you belong to if your name is written in heaven. It does not matter much what church you belong to if your name is written in heaven

    He is either lying (using Theocratic strategy) or times have changed a lot since then.......NB In those days the Ministry was simply a matter of selling CTR's books, so I was told. The concept of having conversations and reasoning with people at the door only came in later.

  • proplog2
    proplog2

    My mother was a JW her whole life now in her 90's. She said her family had colporteurs eating with them regularly - so they got their meals free.

    One of them even said that when he couldn't make money anymore selling books he was going to quit.

    I say a worker is worthy of his wages.

  • jinjam
    jinjam

    its sounds like a sales pitch for a travelling salesman, really... and without shame!

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