StarTrekAngel

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  Pull the Plug Already...

  by megaboy in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  after reading and seeing so many detailings of the dealings with people in this religion, i have to wonder how to get people who are just extremely asleep.

  reasoning doesn't seem like it works, there needs to be some kind of plug pull event, like the leaders doing something so uterly stupid that it causes the immediate downfall of the entire religion.

  but because i am naturally curious i want to know from people who have more experience with jw structure why they seem to have a resistance to an event like this?

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  God appearing in the sky and announcing JWs are wrong...

  Doubt it... they will shun such God.
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  Did You Know “Weird JWs” When You Were In The Organization?

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  it could be argued that all jws are weird.

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  i’m referring to really weird odd witnesses.. most of the oddballs that i remember were elders..

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  We had a man that started attending meetings after my brother in law paid him a visit. He admitted that he was a recovering addict and suffered from schizophrenia. My brother in law kept telling us how every time he would go to his house for a study, the guy would tell him that Obama would speak to him from the TV and would tell him to kill my brother in law. Not sure why he kept going back but he managed to get this guy to give his first talk. After that we never saw him again. This was years ago. I bumped into him a couple of weeks ago and he recognized me. He still calls me brother. LOL
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  Why the 2 witnesses rule is not worth attacking........barking up the wrong tree!

  by krismalone in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  some former jw protesters are wasting their time and energy "exposing" or criticizing the watchtowers 2 witness rule here's why:.

  lets suppose the governing body changes this and expells anyone accused of child molestation even if accused by one person.

  would that solve the problem?

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  I think you are bringing up a social issue rather than a religious one. Many pedophiles walk free in the legal system and rape more than one kid before they actually get caught and sent to prison.

  Unfortunately, religious freedom involves a degree of impunity for certain actions within the religious realm. In this group, we discuss the latter. Because the WT insists that they do not shield pedophiles and in their minds they are absolutely correct because a pedophile is not a pedophile unless there is a second witness. If they were to get rid of that rule, then the authorities are likely to be involved more often. Provided that this is also not perfect, the moment a victim is able to report their abuser without fear of retaliation from the elders, then it is much more likely that they will come forward.

  Expecting the congregation to publicly announce pedophiles is far too unrealistic at this point. Both from the JW culture perspective as well as from a legal perspective.

  Much more damage is being done by holding back the victims and pressuring them into silence. This entire silencing process depends strictly in the two witness rule, simply because the two witness rule is the only way they can silence the victims using the bible. If the bible wasn't involved, they would hardly have any tools to control them.
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  Pull the Plug Already...

  by megaboy in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  after reading and seeing so many detailings of the dealings with people in this religion, i have to wonder how to get people who are just extremely asleep.

  reasoning doesn't seem like it works, there needs to be some kind of plug pull event, like the leaders doing something so uterly stupid that it causes the immediate downfall of the entire religion.

  but because i am naturally curious i want to know from people who have more experience with jw structure why they seem to have a resistance to an event like this?

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  Do I really have to explain what I really mean when I say cult? It shocks me sometimes when we can't have a conversation in the same lingo when most of us here come from the same background.

  Going back to the "choice". I don't believe an indoctrinated person can really make a "choice" that one would consider personal. Sure is a "choice" if we limit the definition to the dictionary as we did with cult. But is it really a choice you can hold them fully accountable for? If so, it pretty much brakes the well known usage of the word cult that we all talk about in this site.
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  Pull the Plug Already...

  by megaboy in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  after reading and seeing so many detailings of the dealings with people in this religion, i have to wonder how to get people who are just extremely asleep.

  reasoning doesn't seem like it works, there needs to be some kind of plug pull event, like the leaders doing something so uterly stupid that it causes the immediate downfall of the entire religion.

  but because i am naturally curious i want to know from people who have more experience with jw structure why they seem to have a resistance to an event like this?

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  Where does the definition of "cult" goes if you insert "their choice" into the mix?

  Honest question
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  Leaked - Video tape inside Watchtower HQ of protest Nov 5, 2017

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i saw this on jw reddit and thought, okay that will just be one of the protesters videotaping near their security entrance but it's really from inside the hq's.

  i doubt the org.

  will be happy that this was taped and leaked.https://rutube.ru/video/2dbc8185062524a41ed8c9e2117ca39d/.

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  This is no security footage... you can clearly see that it was handheld and you can hear the camera operator on the radio. Also, the pictures were clearly aimed at identifying individuals. Whether that was for DFing purposes or just in case things turned violent and the pics were needed as evidence.

  One of my friends was at that protest. I don't see his face on the video but he told us just last week that his mom informed him everyone in his former congregation knows he was there.
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  Stranger Things on Netflix

  by Cimarrona in

  1. social
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  i've been knee deep in this netflix series "stranger things," which is a science fiction show about a group of adolescent friends in a town where a government lab has been doing experiments.

  it took me like a year to get around to watching it.

  but so glad that i finally started.

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  Watching it with my kids.
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  What would you do for next November 5?

  by Faded in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i think everything has to start somewhere, and you can see the passion and commitment from those loyal 50 that showed up in warwick yesterday.

  the event was not very well organized but you could see the passion & dedication from most of them.

  and i think they at least touched a couple of people at the kh yesterday.. having an annual day of action actually inspires me.

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  Pick a date on October. Make it coincide with some 1914 theme
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  JC letter of invitation. Do they always get signed?

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was just shown a jc letter from a friend and i noticed that the bottom of it was signed by tree elders.

  the letter specifically stated that it was an invitation to a "judicial committee" due to the brother having a marital relationship that was not aligned with bible principles.. i am asking because i remember reading experiences of brothers who demanded their jc be arranged over certified mail with signed letters to which elders refused to do.

  since they could not get this done the matter was dropped and no dfing ever happened.

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  If I recall correctly he went to live with this woman without marrying her.
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  JC letter of invitation. Do they always get signed?

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was just shown a jc letter from a friend and i noticed that the bottom of it was signed by tree elders.

  the letter specifically stated that it was an invitation to a "judicial committee" due to the brother having a marital relationship that was not aligned with bible principles.. i am asking because i remember reading experiences of brothers who demanded their jc be arranged over certified mail with signed letters to which elders refused to do.

  since they could not get this done the matter was dropped and no dfing ever happened.

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  LOL. I blame my keyboard which is not bilingual as I am.

  Yes, I meant 3 elders.