Posts by StarTrekAngel

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Video based indoctrination for children

by StarTrekAngel in

last night at the meeting we watched the "jehovah will help you be bold" video.

just another piece of propaganda to get children to recruit other children.

i was just reading another thread discussing the other video (where they guilt trip kids to give money) and i recalled a something from the video we watched last night.

StarTrekAngel

Nice Cap!

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New WT video: Like taking money from a baby!

by WingCommander in

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just when you thought may's jw dot org video featuring wide-eyed cult lunatic gb lett guilting the masses into giving every last dime they have couldn't be topped, your children will now be fed a guilt-inducing cartoon in which they are guilted into giving every last cent they have to the wt cult.

the wt entitles this one, "give us your money!

even your children are to be shaken down!

StarTrekAngel

See my new thread on advertisement to children...

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/282730001/video-based-indoctrination-children

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Video based indoctrination for children

by StarTrekAngel in

last night at the meeting we watched the "jehovah will help you be bold" video.

just another piece of propaganda to get children to recruit other children.

i was just reading another thread discussing the other video (where they guilt trip kids to give money) and i recalled a something from the video we watched last night.

StarTrekAngel

Last night at the meeting we watched the "Jehovah will help you be bold" video. Just another piece of propaganda to get children to recruit other children. I was just reading another thread discussing the other video (where they guilt trip kids to give money) and I recalled a something from the video we watched last night. If you have not seen it, the story goes on about the girl who told Namaan to go to the prophet and get cured of his leprosy. In the WT dream based re enactment of what might have gone on in the house of Naaman, the girl attempts to tell other servants in the house that Jehovah could cure him. They all stare angrily at her and they tell her to not speak of the God of Israel. Then they pull out their necklaces our of their robes. Out of this necklaces, they had images of their gods. It struck me odd because they are making an attempt to show how they held their gods so dear that they had images of them hanging from their necks. Yet no one seems to see the irony of wearing the JWdotORG lapel ping. Here is a screenshot from the video

Just another propaganda session to begin creating brand loyalty to kids. I also recalled another interesting video from many years ago, where this food activist talks about the effects of advertising to children. Is about 15 min long but worth the watch. Just replace every mention of a food company with JW or WT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bop3D7-dDM

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Simplified Suggestion--The 144,000

by FusionTheism in

the governing body has recently placed a large priority on simplicity and clarity in their teachings and publications.

for example:the watchtower study edition, march 15, 2015, pages 8-10:.

in recent years, the spiritual instruction provided by jehovahs organization has reflected an increased emphasis on simplicity and clarity.

StarTrekAngel

Besides, if you keep taking credit away from all the anointed, they will rebel. Is worth mentioning that every time they publish something regarding the new identity of the F&DS, they make sure to let everyone know that they still feel the anointed are especial.

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Simplified Suggestion--The 144,000

by FusionTheism in

the governing body has recently placed a large priority on simplicity and clarity in their teachings and publications.

for example:the watchtower study edition, march 15, 2015, pages 8-10:.

in recent years, the spiritual instruction provided by jehovahs organization has reflected an increased emphasis on simplicity and clarity.

StarTrekAngel

Difficult to change. The WT has been saying that the 144,000 has to be symbolic because the 12000 of each tribe does not fit the tribes of old Israel. Apparently, one of the tribes mentioned in Revelation did not exist in the actual nation of Israel.

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Rumor about the Imitate Jesus Convention

by FusionTheism in

i saw a rumor a few weeks ago on reddit that the new imitate jesus convention is supposed to present new light and clarified understandings on the disfellowshipping/disassociation practices.. supposedly, if this rumor has any truth to it, there will be a talk given at the convention about how we should not be strict like the pharisees in how we shun people, loosening up some of the jw rules about this practice.. has anyone here heard anything about this or have more info on it?.

StarTrekAngel

Sorry, it was not March, it was July. July 15, 2014 WT study edition. The first two articles on that publication. Among the things you read, there is also a picture that caught my attention. I am not sure if they just missed that during proof. See the picture bellow. In real life WT, arguing with someone with "apostate tendencies or attitudes" would never be allowed to challenge an elder. Much less do so in front of the whole congregation.

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Did I miss something?

by StarTrekAngel in

so sat thru yet another "new light" session this past sunday.

as you may already know, it is a continuation of the previous study.

you know the speech... no more type/anti-type.

StarTrekAngel

lol cap...

Another thing I noticed was quite an influx of people heading towards the donation box. They played the latest broadcast at the KH this Saturday. The ones I saw were not dropping change. Only $20 bills.

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Rumor about the Imitate Jesus Convention

by FusionTheism in

i saw a rumor a few weeks ago on reddit that the new imitate jesus convention is supposed to present new light and clarified understandings on the disfellowshipping/disassociation practices.. supposedly, if this rumor has any truth to it, there will be a talk given at the convention about how we should not be strict like the pharisees in how we shun people, loosening up some of the jw rules about this practice.. has anyone here heard anything about this or have more info on it?.

StarTrekAngel

We'll have to wait and see but I would not expect anything big. Back in March of 2014, there were two studies in the WT that addressed something to that much. While it did not immediately said that shunning is out the window, it did mention how we should not be quick to judge those who "seemed to have apostate tendencies" or quick to judge our brothers by their choice of fashion. If anything, they will clarify that we should only shun those who have been officially been announced as DFd.

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Did I miss something?

by StarTrekAngel in

so sat thru yet another "new light" session this past sunday.

as you may already know, it is a continuation of the previous study.

you know the speech... no more type/anti-type.

StarTrekAngel

So sat thru yet another "new light" session this past Sunday. As you may already know, it is a continuation of the previous study. You know the speech... no more type/anti-type. No more looking for meaning where there is none. Is so obvious that no one is paying attention. I was falling asleep and yet I was able to catch this.... bolds mine

3 We noted in the preceding article that over recent decades, the faithful slave has gradually come to explain the Scriptures with less emphasis on sym- bolic prophetic pictures and more on practical application. In the past, our lit- erature at times assigned specific sym- bolic meanings even to small details of Jesus’ parable of the ten virgins, includ- ing the lamps, the oil, the flasks, and so forth. Is it possible, though, that we were allowing the spotlight to shift from the parable’s simple, urgent message? As we will see, the answer is of vital im- portance. (No more idiotic meaning to parables?)

“The bridegroom came.” (Matt. 25:10) As was discussed in the July 15, 2013, issue of this journal, Jesus’ prophecy record- ed in Matthew chapters 24 and 25 con- tains eight references to his “coming”; in each case, a form of the same Greek word is used. In every instance, Jesus was referring to the time during the great tribulation when he will come to carry out the judging work and then the destruction of this world system of things. Evidently, then, this parable ap- plies during the last days, but its climax comes during the great tribulation. (So is it a parable or a prophecy?)

The second quality that helps those virgins to be ready is vigilance. Would it be possible for individual anointed Christians to get sleepy during a long nighttime vigil? Indeed. Note that Jesus says of the ten virgins that “they all be- came drowsy and fell asleep” during the apparent delay of the bridegroom. Jesus knew well that even a willing, eager spirit may be hampered by the weakness of the flesh. Faithful anointed ones have heeded that implied warning and have worked ever harder to remain vigilant, watchful. In the parable, all the virgins responded to the nighttime shout: “Here is the bridegroom!” But only the vigilant ones endured to the end. (Matt. 25:5, 6; 26:41) What about faithful anointed ones today? Through- out the last days, they have responded to strong evidence that, in effect, cries out, “Here is the bridegroom”—just about to come. They have also endured, keeping ever ready for the Bridegroom to arrive.􏰃 However, the climax of the parable fo- cuses on a more specific period of time. How so? (So if they all were drowsy, how did the discrete half remained vigilant?)

􏰃 Side note: In the parable, there is a distinct interval be- tween the shout, “Here is the bridegroom!” (verse 6) and the actual coming, or arrival, of the bridegroom (verse 10). Throughout the last days, vigilant anoint- ed ones have discerned the sign of Jesus’ presence. They thus know that he is “here”—ruling in Kingdom power. They face the challenge of enduring until his coming, or arrival. (Thought we were done putting meaning were there is none)

So, all and all, provided that things are supposed to be turning simpler, this is the most confusing study I've seen. What struck me the most was the language of the elder directing the study. When speaking on regards of the new understanding he would ask questions like "What could have happened if we tried to append too much meaning to the parable?" Speaking in that past tense tells me (and excuse me, second hand english speaker here) that he was speaking as if this has never happened. In my perspective, the practical lesson was somewhat highlighted, but they still failed at the temptation of putting meaning where there is nothing. Even without considering the side note, to say the discreet virgins remained vigilant until the end (despite the fact that the fell asleep just like the other ones) is not wha the lesson is. The lesson has more to do with preparedness than vigilance. Just like a survivalist that stocks up food despite not knowing when a disaster is going to hit. He does not have to worry himself with watching out for everything. He knows he will be ready not matter what comes or when.

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Why I remain one of Jehovah's Witnesses

by Brother Jeramy in

allow me to begin with a clarification: when i say i am one of jehovah's witnesses, i don't mean that i am an advocate of the watchtower society or a devotee of some of its more controversial false teachings.

i mean that i am a christian, a disciple of jesus christ dedicated to jehovah god, and who remains in union with my brothers and sisters who make up the family of faith that globally refers to itself as jehovah's witnesses.

some totally understand the distinction between the family of brothers and sisters and the corporate organization known as the watchtower society (wts).

StarTrekAngel

Hey Brother! To be honest, I do understand what your stand is. I use to think just like you. In fact, my wife still does. We use to think we could be in that position and no one would ever mind. Figure that jehovah wanted us baptized so we did. It was then that I began to realize that we were now under a different set of rules. Wife still thinks she can believe whatever she wants. She does not share her doubts with others and neither do I. The difference is I realized that I am more isolated than ever before. I could express my doubts before, even if someone heard me, well I was not one of them. Now I am baptized. I have to be careful because if kids hear me, they will most likely tell other kids and that is how they will find out. If not, there will be another way. Point being is that I am having to watch what I say and when I say it.

Just like others pointed out here. You will not be able to live like that forever. Sooner or later someone will find out. My personal stand is that people like you and, before I changed, me, do not understand the bible, God or religion for that matter. They have been separated from the path. They are now so far off that they can utter things like the ones you do. My mother in law is the same. She can rant against Babylon the great all day. When you tell her that as long as she is part of an organization as hypocritical as this one, then she is in the same position, then she will respond that she does not care what the org does wrong. She only cares about being ok with God. :/

Go figure.