i've always wondered that.
recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.
cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?
Sorry Viv I must have meant to ask but obviously didn't.
It was just to ask if you had an opinion on what can be called human spirit if you think there is such a thing and if so what you would describe it as?
Of course the baby has developed because of all the things you mention but baby will have no further existence unless it takes a breath.That is key to its future life and development of its descriptive spirit as I have outlined previously.
i've always wondered that.
recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.
cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?
Viv,....I am not saying it's oxygen alone. The force is the air we breathe composite,but of course mostly oxygen.
You are of course correct to say we owe much more to our existence, and as you say without photosynthesis no oxygen. But you digress. The context is HUMAN spirit. Photosynthesis provided us with the force we humans cannot exist without.
The unborn child relies on the oxygen from its mother as did she and so on back. When the umbilical chord is cut how does the now independent child survive,? To what force does it owe its continuation of life? The force of air in its lungs. That is the spirit of life which then in turn is fundamental to our continuing our development until finally our last breath goes out and as some would say his/her spirit is finally gone, in other words no more. breath no more spirit for that individual.
I posed a question to you in a previous post have you any opinion?
Best wishes
i've always wondered that.
recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.
cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?
Hi viv;...I.m.o..everything you do is possible because of your own HUMAN spirit inc' your contributing to this forum.
Every breath you take allows you to continue in a spirited way ie as all human beings , whatever motivates us , exites us, gives rise to our personalities, which in turn is seen by others who may have an opinion on a persons spirit. In this scenario spirit is a descriptive word which can be used in place of;..attitude as in she has a bad attitude you could say she has a bad spirit.or I'm at a low ebb, could be I'm not in very good spirit. Or he is a very spirited person meaning he is very motivated.
So in these examples most people would understand what the word spirit meant in the context of the conversation.
All possible because we breathe and stay alive.
That initial breath at birth is the spirit (noun) as 1st definition in my Collins dictionary force giving life to a body.
That force is not supernatural but is the air we breathe
Our electrical stimulus to exite our lungs at birth would not have developed had it not been for the oxygen the baby needs.
It is ONLY because of oxygen any of us can have any so called spirit (remembering before there was ever such a word descriptive or otherwise there was the air we breathe )
The force of the air once the lungs are stimuled is the spirit which allows us to operate as human beings, motivating us to do things like for example asking questions on an Internet forum, congratulations Viv you are using your own spirit (descriptive for motivation ) every time you post or reply on this topic.
In my humble opinion of course .
Best wishes.
i've always wondered that.
recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.
cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?
Viv ; those things are the consequences of the efficacy of the air we breath on our bodies you are confusing metaphor with causal effect.
Yes there are many things we need for us to exist,but stick to the contextwhat's the first thing a human requires at birth? Exactly or no existence.
That first breath and the force on the lungs is the spirit bywhich we all exist. It's as fundamental as that.
Toying around with what ifs is distraction for distractions sake.
Do you think the word spirit can be applied in a physical human way if so what would be your description being that the dictionary first definition is a noun
i've always wondered that.
recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.
cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?
Hi viv;...my reply on pg 5 "simply the air we breathe
pg 14 " only function by the air we breathe", and.."all possible by the air we breathe "..
The part you highlighted was sandwiched in between, which was showing the effects of the spirit or air we breathe which gives rise to what many would call 'our spirit' which can also be known as 'our way' ,our personality, our demeanour, our attitude as in he's got a good spirit. Spirit in those senses being used as descriptive In the context of the context of the conversation ,
In that sense the word spirit is surely understandable.
your point about other creatures ? I am talking in the context of human spirit.
your point about force; there is no correlation between the force of a bullet or any other missiles impact and the force of the air we breathe.
it only serves as a distraction of the context.
Your point about the source of the oxygen ? Why would that have any relevance to the fact that we breathe it ?
Your point about gravity? Humans do not breathe gravity , I would not make any argument that gravity was spirit.....would you?...would anyone?
Best wishes
i've always wondered that.
recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.
cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?
Hi viv;..I disagree with your conclusion re that my explanation is a metaphor for thinking.
The first definition of the word spirit according to my dictionary is ; spirit noun, force giving life to a body.
That force to my understanding as a noun is basically the air we breath(mostly oxygen) that force can be calm or violent ie we still have to breathe even in a very forceful hurricane.
Force in terms of physics is seen as an influence which can produce a change or reaction to a physical system.
Our bodies are physical systems, therefore the spirit is the force which gives rise to our bodies functions which in turn causes the influence on our brains (thinking processes ) which in turn controls our actions therefore making us the people we are.
Spirit in human terms is imo not a metaphor for thinking, but rather the air we breath.
Further dictionery definitions ŕe ghosts supernatural etc believed by many , Is to me delusional hogwash.
Best wishes
just wanted to say hello.
i have alot to say, but i'm not good at typeing.
i'm still in the org.
Hi venting , your on the right track, take it easy.
Best wishes
for 2 years, soon after my daughter's baptism, i have been exchanging many emails with an elder of her congregation.
good man, but he is a jw and he just drove me to the brink of madness recently; that was the drop the spill the water.
it's a cult.
Felipe; good luck to you and your family.
May your lifes journey be a happy one.
Best wishes.
i've always wondered that.
recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.
cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?
Viv I think its all about context;eg, human spirit; motivation to accomplish, get up and go, vitality, willingness, attitudes ie positive and negative.
All made possible by the fact that we exist and use our brains which can ONLY function by means of the air we breath or there is NO human spirit.
Therefore our human spirit in all its guises is a combination of the brains formulation of our desires and goals for whatever purpose and the way we bring that to fruition.
All made possible only by the air we breath.
In the context of spirit beings there is nothing tangible , no motivation which can be tested or proved
The idea of these type of spirits imo comes from the same stable as human spirit ie motivated by the same brain processes fuelled by oxygen, and therefore only exist in the minds of those who have a need for such, as a child has a fictitious but to them believable imagination.
So to sum up; human spirit is apparent....supernatural spirit does not exist.
when i got up to leave, i went over to their table and said "nice to see you", their faces were a picture.
gemma obviously told them i was da'd.
all i got were tight smiles, so i said to gemma "i like your hair like that" and left......
I take it on board...sorry quelly
