Just to confirm , I was not referring to d.o, t specifically re JW politeness/arrogance. I was speaking in general terms.
I did and still encourage d.o.t to go on with his quest for answers and always wish him well with his/her endeavours .
as of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.
when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.
this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.
Just to confirm , I was not referring to d.o, t specifically re JW politeness/arrogance. I was speaking in general terms.
I did and still encourage d.o.t to go on with his quest for answers and always wish him well with his/her endeavours .
i have been lurking for a while but was encouraged to sign up by a user on the ex jw reddit forum.
i'm a still in jw but i've been mentally out for about two months.
i'm an ms and i'm also gay so i have two lots of 'coming out' to do very soon!.
Welcime B.B, Hope your lifes journey is a happy one
Best wishes to you,
1) if an atheist becomes selfish, others have no reason to be discouraged.
but see what happens if a religious leader becomes selfish, many may copy his behavior.
[many people know how lavishly rutherford lived even during great depression].
Hi FHN,...I agree its not our duty to convince others to believe as we do, although many in religious circles do have that conviction.
Debate discussion, argument even Iis probably why we utilise this forum, by which we can gauge others views, beliefs and their reasons for such.
Thankyou for your reply.
Re inculcation, its my understanding that a young child comes to a belief in an idea or entity through repetition of the subject, the example being formal education.
Repetition is used(eg times tables)to inculcate the students mind.This then remains(hopefully) to benefit them in later life.
Likewise other ideas are repetitively fed to children, belief in santa, fairies, giants, ghosts, witches for example can be repeatedly
introduced to the young immature mind so that they do believe they are real. It is only as they grow older these notions are realised to be no more than stories, mainly
because they realise their older peer group do not believe these things. However in the case of god belief if that peer group continues to believe ,
Its more likely the young person will still hold that belief . Personally imo I fail to understand how they could come to a reasoned belief in god as truly real at such an early age.
Thats why I think most continue to believe, and of course a belief so deeply held is extremely difficult to give up, even with sound adult reasoning on the
possibility of such a being existing. That's why I come to the conclusion there has to be an adult reason for continuous belief in god.
Each will know what that reason is .I.m.o its all to do with a need within that individuals phsych which probably relates to inculcation from childhood.
In my humble opinion of course.
i'm starting to believe the bethel higher ups are trolling us.
the outright contradictions and stuff like overlapping generation is too ridiculous.
calling out the harold camping when we did the same thing.
Heavens g,....You do understand what an alternative is .I am not telling you to leave this site, its your choice if you want to stick around.
Your opinions are not the only ones to be challenged . You may feel you are being ridiculed does that not tell you something about the ridiculous nature of your comments, which leave them wide open to strong rebuttal which you construe as ridicule.
Be my guest stick around for more if you wish .
Perhaps you should ask for an opinion from your 8 buddies in New York , then perhaps not they might ridicule you for being so disloyal to the organisation.
i'm starting to believe the bethel higher ups are trolling us.
the outright contradictions and stuff like overlapping generation is too ridiculous.
calling out the harold camping when we did the same thing.
Heavens g ....Why are you using JWN if its satans world? You have completely missed the point.
JWN is a vast array of opinion, some may be false, misunderstood even , but that is the nature of OPEN FREE discussion but could in its entirety never be described as a falsehood .
You are deliberately misguided about the purpose of this forum.
If you don't like it you have an 8 man alternative!!!
i'm starting to believe the bethel higher ups are trolling us.
the outright contradictions and stuff like overlapping generation is too ridiculous.
calling out the harold camping when we did the same thing.
Heaven's g.... Who has the insight? Who decides,... You?
Many here had the insight to stay well clear of your man made hypocritical organization.
They still can live loving honest caring lives and detest wickedness without having to compromise their intelligent reasoning to a proven falsehood!!!
i'm starting to believe the bethel higher ups are trolling us.
the outright contradictions and stuff like overlapping generation is too ridiculous.
calling out the harold camping when we did the same thing.
Ye shall reap what you sow it. comes to us all in the end!!
as of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.
when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.
this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.
Personally I have found JW politeness soon turns to arrogance when they are confronted with questions which they are unable to understand let alone at least reason on.
But, of course the closed mindset corners the incumbent person in this way.
Best to have an open enquiring mind
The JWs are expected to " toe the line " or suffer the consequences. !!
Hope you find your answers D.O.T.
Best wishes to you .
i am beginning to see a complete unbalanced shift from one end of the spectrum to the other.
i'll use jw's as the example but this would apply to any religion and any person.
if you just accepted the jw teachings unquestionably from the governing body because you felt they were the highest authority on the matter and 'trusted' them before waking up to ttatt you may shift to the other end of the spectrum.
Very few if any major discoveries are carried out by one scientist archaeologist alone.
There will be teams of researchers some with differing views, but whatever is published or brought to our attention will have gone through a lot of scrutiny
If at a later date this information proves through further study to be incorrect, scientists will have no problem correcting or adjusting it.
All their evidence is there for anyone to accept or refute, it's up to the individual to confirm their decision to accept or otherwise.
Bible based stories require faith in fairytales by contrast.No intelligent person could make a comparison without compromising their intelligence.
In my humble opinion of course.
hello my fellow "apostates".
just wanted to say hi.
i'm still in the borg but mentally out.
Welcome F.F I'm sure you'll have a story to tell about past and current goings on.
Best wishes to you , its early days tread carefully.