Yadda , absolutely not. Come join the party god loves fun!
He's been joking around for a long time yeeee haaaa.
sam , "kate wild", asserted that i am an evangelist for atheism, o.k then, here is the atheist "good news".. "there is no god, now relax and enjoy life"..
Yadda , absolutely not. Come join the party god loves fun!
He's been joking around for a long time yeeee haaaa.
sam , "kate wild", asserted that i am an evangelist for atheism, o.k then, here is the atheist "good news".. "there is no god, now relax and enjoy life"..
A sex position? Could that be ;..Oui Oui Cherie ..or Not tonite josephine ..lol.
as of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.
when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.
this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.
DOT , You are beginning to use your own grey matter.
If you expect another JW to help you with your
questions/ doubts puzzlement you could be heading
for a cozy chat with the elders !!
Best wishes to you.
anyway, he applied for a lecturer's job at a college last week.
he had a phone call today inviting him for an interview.. i'm kind of in shock.
when we left 10 years ago, i was so upset after.
If god was listening to you where was he ten years ago when as you put it
you were so upset .Did you not pray then?
Best wishes to you.
if you are sure there is no god, do you then believe that we,our minds, are the highest intelligence?
not just of the universe, but the cosmos?.
Phizzy, you are not far off the mark it was energy ( intense activity ) in primitive mans brains that first spawned the concept of god or some supernatural force
which brought about the good or bad things they had no understanding or control over.
Thank god for science( OOPS ) LOL!!
we often see "starting from a false premise" enacted on here.
believers will start from the basis that there is a god.. bible believers will start from the basis that it is the word of god in some measure, and worse are jw apologists, they pre-suppose that the first two are a given, and that their beloved property company posing as a religion is god's organization.. none of those premises have been proven, some have been disproven, but we are supposed to go along with them.. now, you may be happy to debate on that basis, in fact it is probably good "exercise", but in the end i find their arrogant, unproven assertions begin to really annoy me, and then i stick in what is known on here as a "cofty", which is a short, succinct comment that points out the big hole in their presentation.. the only thing you find then is, either the apologist cuts and runs, or totally ignores your "cofty".. i think, even if we enjoy debating for a while with such people, at a certain point we need to call them out on their false premise, or premises, otherwise a j.w lurking here may simply accept the words of the apologist and gain nothing in the way of truth..
Thanks Kate, yes I do believe you have god the creator, but I think he/ she / it? Is deeply rooted in your phsych.
Transporting that to an actual entity (whatever that may be)is another matter.
The things we see in the universe are objects of whatever, they are only evidence of the fact they exist.
Not evidence of a creator unless we have a reason to see them that way.
What is the reason you must see them as created ie purposely existing?
They really have no significant bearing on your life apart from wonderment.
Excluding warmth of the sun and tidal moon of course.
Hey wait a minute that could be a reason for god to exist MMmmmmm
No why would he need the bible if that's all it took LOL!
best wishes.
we often see "starting from a false premise" enacted on here.
believers will start from the basis that there is a god.. bible believers will start from the basis that it is the word of god in some measure, and worse are jw apologists, they pre-suppose that the first two are a given, and that their beloved property company posing as a religion is god's organization.. none of those premises have been proven, some have been disproven, but we are supposed to go along with them.. now, you may be happy to debate on that basis, in fact it is probably good "exercise", but in the end i find their arrogant, unproven assertions begin to really annoy me, and then i stick in what is known on here as a "cofty", which is a short, succinct comment that points out the big hole in their presentation.. the only thing you find then is, either the apologist cuts and runs, or totally ignores your "cofty".. i think, even if we enjoy debating for a while with such people, at a certain point we need to call them out on their false premise, or premises, otherwise a j.w lurking here may simply accept the words of the apologist and gain nothing in the way of truth..
HI KATE , thanks fo reply and taking time to read my earlier post.
I have read some of your posts ,in fact i once commented that i thought you were sitting on the fence re belief in god.
probably because i sensed that you had issues with the bibles take on the xian god.
being that is the source of the xian god prompted me to ask the question,which god do you believe in.
Do you know? Is it a force (supenatural) who caused the existence of all we know. Does it exist because you
need it to be that way for a reason?
Although the belief may do you no discernible harm, not all harm is discernible as you may understand from my experience:....
I suppose you could say i did believe in god from childhood but not due to my own reasoning.
It was inculcated in me through religious education at school,church childrens study,vows of allegiance via church youth groups
and subsequently the JWs from eleven years old. So being taught by adults,teachers,ministers how could a young mind question
these influences, so although there seemed to be no discernible harm at the time the future was quite another story!
Yes i was baptised at thirteen ,i cant say i was totally pressured because i was quite the little witness and wanted
to do what jehovah wanted of me,although there was encouragement from my parents which i now realise
was the main reason ie to please them.My mother in later years did admit she influenced me more than she perhaps
should have.
As i grew older my own reasoning abilities were kicking in mostly because i was a bit of a rebel and wanted to live life as i saw
it best for me. Being a witness was proving to be a real drag. A couple of things happened about this time, my younger sister
was molested by a brother of so called good standing nothing much was done about it, my memory recalls that he was
talked to and that he was repentant .That got me thinking!!
Another thing was my own studies and interests into history,archaeology,origins of life primarily because i liked to read
encyclopedias ,books about dinosaurs and early man which all seemed to contradict the JW stuff via the bible so by my own reasoning
(at last) i was able to formulate real doubt about god,JWs and have never regretted it for a second.
To be free of all that NON...SENSE was liberating!
My decisions of course to this day had and still have consequences .Hey thats another story.
Best wishes to you.
we often see "starting from a false premise" enacted on here.
believers will start from the basis that there is a god.. bible believers will start from the basis that it is the word of god in some measure, and worse are jw apologists, they pre-suppose that the first two are a given, and that their beloved property company posing as a religion is god's organization.. none of those premises have been proven, some have been disproven, but we are supposed to go along with them.. now, you may be happy to debate on that basis, in fact it is probably good "exercise", but in the end i find their arrogant, unproven assertions begin to really annoy me, and then i stick in what is known on here as a "cofty", which is a short, succinct comment that points out the big hole in their presentation.. the only thing you find then is, either the apologist cuts and runs, or totally ignores your "cofty".. i think, even if we enjoy debating for a while with such people, at a certain point we need to call them out on their false premise, or premises, otherwise a j.w lurking here may simply accept the words of the apologist and gain nothing in the way of truth..
Kate, can I ask you, is your god exclusive to you?
Which god is it?
If its the xian one although your belief may not do you harm personally
Think of the vast amount of harm brought about to others by followers
of this god this god actually according to some scriptures sanctioned harm
to people .
Why would you align yourself to this?
Then perhaps I'm being presumptuous and its not the xian god you believe in.
Best wishes to you
we often see "starting from a false premise" enacted on here.
believers will start from the basis that there is a god.. bible believers will start from the basis that it is the word of god in some measure, and worse are jw apologists, they pre-suppose that the first two are a given, and that their beloved property company posing as a religion is god's organization.. none of those premises have been proven, some have been disproven, but we are supposed to go along with them.. now, you may be happy to debate on that basis, in fact it is probably good "exercise", but in the end i find their arrogant, unproven assertions begin to really annoy me, and then i stick in what is known on here as a "cofty", which is a short, succinct comment that points out the big hole in their presentation.. the only thing you find then is, either the apologist cuts and runs, or totally ignores your "cofty".. i think, even if we enjoy debating for a while with such people, at a certain point we need to call them out on their false premise, or premises, otherwise a j.w lurking here may simply accept the words of the apologist and gain nothing in the way of truth..
Surely all theists believe that god has had an influence in their lives which aids their decision making?
Whether it's through jesus, holy spirit or a supernatural directed organisation .
What then do they think of this influence if they decide to reject /leave that religion /organisation?
Would they have to believe that god , jesus, holy spirit had influenced them wrongly?
Therefore by still believing in god are they admitting the god they first trusted was false?
Why would he/she/it have allowed them to languish in a falsehood which they are now rejecting?
So if they still believe in god do they think its the same god?
If so what assurance can they have they would not be misled again?
Mmmmmm gods just cannot be trusted.better to rely on your own judgement about how to
LIVE YOUR OWN LIFE.
sam , "kate wild", asserted that i am an evangelist for atheism, o.k then, here is the atheist "good news".. "there is no god, now relax and enjoy life"..
AMEN now where's the party!!!