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God is Real in Principle

by looter in

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now the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.

now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.

our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.

What did I just read? OrphanCrow, how dare you believe that what Kate said is insulting. It is absolutely in no way insulting. She just said that he is unable to understand my views because he has his own. Period. If you read this entire topic, it's pretty clear that this is the case. Just because it's true doesn't mean she was being conceited.

She even called him very intelligent because he evidently is. However, every time I attempted to explain he completely misinterprets it and asks me another question based on his misinterpretation. That's not my fault if he just can't possibly grasp in mind it. It's okay if he disagrees but in this case he doesn't even understand.

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God is Real in Principle

by looter in

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friends

now the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.

now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.

our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.

looter

I'm glad you made the decision for yourself and no one else. The problem with it sometimes is that if an atheist has been abused when he used to believe in God, he is trying to help those you currently have faith. Unfortunately, he has to realize that not everyone needs the 'help' against God and that it works for people, Saename. Sometimes it stems from genuine help but other times it is from just plain bitterness

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God is Real in Principle

by looter in

jw
friends

now the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.

now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.

our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.

looter

Hope some of these people wake up, atomant, and pray to God now. That's a bad way of life to live hating believers because of your own stubbornness to not give credence to God.

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God is Real in Principle

by looter in

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friends

now the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.

now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.

our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.

looter

Saename, not all the time. Some people just know in their hearts that he is the almighty God and that he deserves everything from them. So they act according to that not necessarily because he will give them some reward but because he deserves since he created them and everyone. It's kind of hard to grasp, obviously, but that's just how some peoples brain is wired. A lot of atheist cannot seem to understand or respect that innocent belief, not innocent all the time of course, so they just berate and oppress them just because of their own conviction.

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Don't know what to do

by looter in

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i'm in a crazy situation.

about a year ago, i was going to get baptized.

it was all planned and arranged until ttatt was learned.

looter

His attitude is compilation of everything and sometimes unexplainable. I graduated about a year ago and have been 18 quite some time now. I've thought about all those things you mentioned and get really angry when my father doesn't like what I was interested in and makes me go through hell when I'm trying to sign up. But like you said, you just have to grin and bear it.

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God is Real in Principle

by looter in

jw
friends

now the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.

now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.

our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.

looter

Well, some actually do need to believe God to come to that conclusion. There are people in my life where I see this is true. They are just as moral and sound of mind as anyone else is but they just have their decipher in God and feel they need him as well.

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God is Real in Principle

by looter in

jw
friends

now the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.

now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.

our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.

looter

You are correct Saename. But he surely was implying that. And that seemed to be how he molded his conversation from his original reply. What I was trying to say was that "judging morality and ethics by consequences" was just another side of the same coin. But everyone seems to think that it's completely different and not comparable in any way at all.

Sure, I am being unnecessary but I don't mean to. I'm just trying to convey what I think in the easiest way to interpret. So forgive me as I'm not even really good at that. Thanks for that information you gave. Everything's a learning process.

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God is Real in Principle

by looter in

jw
friends

now the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.

now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.

our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.

looter

I don't think I've failed cofty just because you haven't understood. I tried to make it completely understandable. The point is understood well by me but again that's why my paragraph was so long because you just can't say a statement like that and expect people to fathom and truly apprehend what you said especially on this site where there are so many arguments on similar topics.

I at least tried to make it coherent even though I'm not too good at that anyway. It's clear to me that you just don't understand which is okay but don't say I've failed when some people have got what I said and if I were to put my main point out in just a few short sentences, you and others most likely would have reacted strongly based on your past discussions. Most probably wouldn't have given me a chance to even plead my case.

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God is Real in Principle

by looter in

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friends

now the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.

now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.

our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.

looter

You have completely misread what I said, Saename. That statement from me was not about a disbelief in God, it was about belief in God. Someone was inherently conveying that you cannot be a high-minded individual with an ideology in a supreme being and I was saying you can and that Jesus attested to that as well. So not sure how you misunderstood that but if it was my fault, then I take the blame. I'm not necessarily "contradicting" myself so much as I'm trying to repel what people have mistaken about what I originally said.

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God is Real in Principle

by looter in

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friends

now the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.

now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.

our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.

looter

Like the last few portions of my comments. Preferably where it says 'Furthermore, the argument assumes...' "Why not sum up your main point in a few words?" Here's where the real difficult part comes. It's really tough to explain what I really mean in just a few words without someone confusing it. That was the sole reason why my original post was so long because I wanted to explain it in detail instead of just coming out to say just my statement. That would make it look worse. And haha to your last question. No absolutely not. I'm saying that conscience and morals can be correlated to a God within ourselves.