Posts by fastJehu

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Child abuse a sin not a crime to JW's

by snare&racket in

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this australian investigation is astounding to watch.. the elders clearly don't see child abuse as criminal, if a jw confessed to murder, the police would immediately be called.

yet child rape is a spiritual issue..... ridiculous.. this is what happens when 7 window cleaners lead a bunch of dangerously loyal, ignorant middle aged men ...... in managing 7 million people..

fastJehu

THE CHAIR: Question. If a different crime, to take the most extreme, murder. If you were told that a member of the congregation had killed someone else, would you report that to the police?

D. Ali Answer. We would encourage the person to do that.

THE CHAIR: Q. Would you do it yourself?

D. Ali A. No. I would try very hard not to - not that I would try very hard not to, but I would encourage the person continually to do that. That's a decision they need to make.

THE CHAIR: Q. What if the person wasn't prepared to go to the police, but they told you that they saw the killing happen - what would you do?

D. Ali A. Am I being asked on the present day circumstances?

THE CHAIR: Q. Yes.

D. Ali A. Yes. I would take the action of ringing the branch and getting some legal advice on that.

THE CHAIR: Q. You are living in Queensland, aren't you?

D. Ali A. Yes.

THE CHAIR: Q. Do you have any knowledge of the law or legal obligations to report knowledge of crimes at all?

D. Ali A. Not - not really, no.

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my comment: unbelievable

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Elder Exposed as a LIAR at the Australian Royal Commission

by The Searcher in

the lawyer at the australian royal commission (arc) hangs the elder out to dry on his own statements!.

wonderful to see the org's little dictators being subjected to their very own personal judicial committee hearing - but in front of millions, and not in secret!.

from 43 minutes onward.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv8ptogc6k0#t=2607.

fastJehu

D. Ali says:

... we still need what God himself has outlined, even in any sin, serious sin, there must be two witnesses to that. So we - sorry, your Honour, but we can't ignore divine law.

And goes on:

Well, it is rational. Well, see, we believe, rationally, that divine law establishes - and it is a higher law in that respect - that from the time of Moses, for example, Deuteronomy, I believe, 19:15, establishes that even the most serious sin requires not one witness, but two, and coming into the first century that same law continued to apply. How can we ignore it?

So the bible doen't speak about "serious sin" in this rule:

(Deuteronomy 19:15) . . .No single witness may convict another for any error or any sin that he may commit. On the testimony of two witnesses or on the testimony of three witnesses the matter should be established.

But he does not speak about this divine law (Why god gave this law? Does he know, that a rape mostly has no second witness?):

(Deuteronomy 22:25-27) 25 “If, however, it is in the field that the man found the girl who was engaged, and the man grabbed hold of her and lay down with her, the man who lay down with her must also die by himself, 26 and to the girl you must do nothing. The girl has no sin deserving of death, because just as when a man rises up against his fellowman and indeed murders him, even a soul, so it is with this case. 27 For it was in the field that he found her. The girl who was engaged screamed, but there was no one to rescue her.

A good evidence here, that this elder don't follow the bible. He follows man made rules.

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WT Australia Financial Report 2014

by LostGeneration in

came across this in the stuff posted by the royal commission.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/downloadfile.ashx?guid=dcb6f401-f19b-4783-b9fb-7fe8bbf620fc&type=exhibit&filename=wat.0009.001.0004&fileextension=pdf.

just downloaded it so i can't comment yet on the financials, would like to have a few of the financial minds on the board take a look and offer any opinions on their financial situation..

fastJehu

correct link:

http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/downloadfile.ashx?guid=37c1759e-bb75-4d7e-b8b6-ea2e3f41f709&type=exhibit&filename=WAT.0009.001.0004&fileextension=pdf

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Could this news cause a new revolt of members taking the lead like that which happened after the 1975 fiasco?

by opusdei1972 in

we know that after the 1975 fiasco there were some revolts and disappointments in the brotherhood, which finally caused the removal of raymond franz and overseers like james penton, and so on.

so, may be these news could cause the revolt of some members in the leadership.

any thoughts?

fastJehu

They will say: "Even if it's true ......"

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/395210001/recent-observation-even-if-true

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New World Translation Versions/Revisions

by PietaHouse in

hi folks.

new here, and growing weary of finding an e-text version of one of the earlier releases of the new world translation.

i have searched high and low, and for some reason, it is as if it does not exist.. i'm catholic, but for research purposes and as a courtesy to jws, i've put the 1984 and the 2013 versions in a database format for e-sword (e-sword.net).

fastJehu

@ AudeSapere

I'm not only driving fast cars on the highway (autobahn) - also surfing fast in the information highway lol

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New World Translation Versions/Revisions

by PietaHouse in

hi folks.

new here, and growing weary of finding an e-text version of one of the earlier releases of the new world translation.

i have searched high and low, and for some reason, it is as if it does not exist.. i'm catholic, but for research purposes and as a courtesy to jws, i've put the 1984 and the 2013 versions in a database format for e-sword (e-sword.net).

fastJehu

AudeSapere
Trying to remember who those posters were or how to find that thread so it can be linked to here...

Here it is: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/265174/comprehensive-nwt-comparison-project-calling-all-technically-skilled-members?size=20&page=1

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Anthony Morris III goes on an eight minute rant over child abuse

by Richard_I in

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this is in the july 2015 monthly program on tv.jw.org cedars wrote about it too.. starting at around 42:30 in the video, morris talks about the child abuse situation for almost 10 minutes.

link to video.

i'm writing a transcript right now.

fastJehu

Brokeback Watchtower
Denial/willfull blindness

Thanks for this video - great talk.

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Extrapolation of the Australia child abuse numbers

by sir82 in

(let me know if anyone thinks my assumptions are way out of line, or if i've forgotten anything).

basic facts:.

the australian royal commission has 1000+ documented cases of child abuse over 65 years.

fastJehu

sir82
So, 70,000 known abusers, + 70,000 abusers who have not yet been reported. 140,000 JW child abusers among 115,000 congregations.

Maybe 144,000 JW child abusers among 115,000 congregations

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Australia Evidence List is public and contains Elders Book

by Skidmarks in

there is so much information on the website of the hearing.

you can find the full transcripts of each day there as pdf.. but also the evidence list is very interresting.

it contains many confidential letters from congregations but also from the hq to branch offices.. the full list can be seen here: http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.