Posts by kaik

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New light!, says JW-Archive. The inspired word can have mistranslations, says Dec 2015 WT

by StarTrekAngel in

sorry, i know i posted this earlier but i believe the title did not gather enough attention.

i think is a topic worth discussing.. http://www.jw-archive.org/post/127866869178/new-light-the-inspired-word-of-god-can.

kaik

Caleb, you are right on this. In the Renaissance, the bible translations from Vulgata to many European languages were performed. For example Czech translations were already done in the 1480's and scholars both Catholics and Protestants were not happy with the outcome. Czech Protestants eventually hired Jewish scholars to get the translation done from original language and skipping Vulgata altogether, which became known as Kralice Bible. Catholics did not agree with this translation, and created new one in the 17th century under Jesuit guidelines.

So we are not only talking about reshaping the text before canonization, but making mistakes once the texts were finalized not only via copying but in the translation process into other languages.

Now it also crucial that languages change and develop through the centuries, so spoken language in 1550 is far different from language today. Even Latin and Greek language went through development stage during Antiquity. The Classical Latin evolved in Medieval and later Renaissance until its usage among educated scholars declined in the Enlightenment. At the end, there is not really any perfect Bible translation.

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New light!, says JW-Archive. The inspired word can have mistranslations, says Dec 2015 WT

by StarTrekAngel in

sorry, i know i posted this earlier but i believe the title did not gather enough attention.

i think is a topic worth discussing.. http://www.jw-archive.org/post/127866869178/new-light-the-inspired-word-of-god-can.

kaik

Mistranslation in the Bible exist for 15 centuries. During medieval times when only handful bibles were in existence and often available only to the royal family, there were already disputes on translation and meaning of the text. Therefore, often secondary text occurred immediately after the major edition. This problem became more prevalent when Greek and Latin bibles were translated into local languages starting in the 15th century.

WT bibles will follow the same issues that faced medieval scholars in the monasteries rewriting and copying old test into a new Bible. I often looking into different translations of the bible online, because the differences in the text can be significant.

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Why, Why, Why did God create such a difference between Jews and Gentile....?

by James Mixon in

why such a difference between jew and gentiles, so that the jew is at once.

recognized, no matter what race he lives among.. and how did the jews come to have such strange traditions setting apart, racially.

and religiously from gentiles???.

kaik

Generally, Asian social and cultural collapse started in the 1200s after Mongol and Timur conquests which devastated entire continent from China to Syria. I had read some of the travelers diaries into Middle East and many were extremely disappointed from material, social, and cultural development in Orient. I remember like mentioning visiting a capital city of Persian empire which was nothing more than pile of rubble. Incredible poverty in China even for European medieval/renaissance standard. This gap between West and Far East was finally bridged in the 21st century. Nonetheless, Italy was in the 1400-1600 the wealthiest region in the world, and later Amsterdam was the wealthiest city in world until its disposition in the 18th century. Many had wondered what caused the region between Northern Sea and Mediterranean to accumulate such large wealth, but I tend to agree with the opinion that it was the decentralization of the power and economies that helped the community to survive better.

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Why, Why, Why did God create such a difference between Jews and Gentile....?

by James Mixon in

why such a difference between jew and gentiles, so that the jew is at once.

recognized, no matter what race he lives among.. and how did the jews come to have such strange traditions setting apart, racially.

and religiously from gentiles???.

kaik

Thanks for clarification Caleb. I thought that you referred to Middle East, because its golden age coincided with European dark age in 550-1000AD.

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Why, Why, Why did God create such a difference between Jews and Gentile....?

by James Mixon in

why such a difference between jew and gentiles, so that the jew is at once.

recognized, no matter what race he lives among.. and how did the jews come to have such strange traditions setting apart, racially.

and religiously from gentiles???.

kaik

I would add, that Jewish identity is also a difference on religious sense versus nationality. Being Jew is also issue of someone cultural identity but not necessary correlate with strict religious sense. My in-laws are Orthodox Jews, but many are totally secular in the term of religion, while other maintain their culture, food, and heritage. They are proud Americans, who served this country for century. Also Jews look so differently, because their statehood was derived from literature instead specific nation-state. Their ancestry was deeply influenced by area they lived in the late antiquity. In Prague there were two different Jewish communities, one that came from the West and Spain and other that came from Byzantine empire. They left different culture behind until it was either assimilated or destroyed through the horrors of the 20th century.

I have to disagree with this statement:

This "Golden Age" of enlightenment opened us to advances in science, mathematics, even introducing logic into ancient religions. We are different in many of these areas because Westerners cut themselves off from us for a while and are still playing catch up

European dark age was due collapse of population sometimes up to 90% of the density it had in the peak of Roman Empire. For example Italian population decreased from 11 millions during the Imperial era to 2 millions by 550. However, by 1250 West Europe was the wealthiest region in the world until WWII, ahead with its technology over China, Arab world, and India. Europeans had already universities that by 1400 produced thousands of graduates in various topics every year. It was the technology that enabled Europeans to control every corner of this world. Through its history, Western Europe was NEVER conquered by non-European nation. Attila was defeated at the Chalon, Mongols depleted their force in Hungary when 90% of its armed forced died by 1242. During the Age of Exploitation, Europeans were disappointed what they find in Orient. Depopulated cites, backward regions, capital cities in ruins or built from woods. A lot had to do with Mongol conquest that threw Far East, Middle East, and Central Asia 500 years back. This region had not yet recovered from the wars of the great Khans. China, Korea are the exception, but it was not until modern era, when this happened.

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If she doesn't comply an orange jumpsuit is in her future

by DJS in

scotus: kentucky clerk must issue same-sex marriage licenses.

by ariane de vogue, cnn supreme court reporter.

updated 8:02 pm et, mon august 31, 2015. let's hope this is the final screech from the haters who wrap themselves in the bible - or their egoist political philosophy i doubt it will be, but let's hope..

kaik

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Evangelical fascism is one the most dangerous movement ever in existence. I do not dispute it with you. If this movement ever achieve political significance, they will mirror ISIS. However, Kim Davis position is utilized by the right-wing extremist, she is just used by them, but she is nothing more than excellent post-child for primitive church. So far her county supporters call for boycott of Morehead State University, but so far, none of right-wing ogres started to burn the campus yet.

Never, ever underestimate them.

I don't.

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If she doesn't comply an orange jumpsuit is in her future

by DJS in

scotus: kentucky clerk must issue same-sex marriage licenses.

by ariane de vogue, cnn supreme court reporter.

updated 8:02 pm et, mon august 31, 2015. let's hope this is the final screech from the haters who wrap themselves in the bible - or their egoist political philosophy i doubt it will be, but let's hope..

kaik

And what does that mean?

I just copy what you had typed. I cannot helped your antisemitism blinded the matter inside of your cranium.

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Another Kim Davis inspired self-invented "gay issue"

by Simon in

what is it about some of these self proclaimed "christians" who go seeking persecution when it don't exist?.

we've had a case locally in calgary where the initial reports sounded like the person had a legitimate claim: a bus driver didn't want to drive the bus in a gay pride parade and said he'd resign if they made him and that the local transit company was threatening him to force him to do it.. except it was all invented ... by him !.

they already proactively told him that there was no danger that he would be asked to drive that bus in the parade (i.e.

kaik

American Fundamentalism is a recent invention, and one born of lack of education, misunderstanding and the passionate defense of those by making up easily disproven "facts" and literally distrusting education.

Yes, it is. It been around for over 100 years, and it was a reaction on increasing secularization of American masses, social issues on Gilded Age, and mostly it was anti-Catholic as immigration from Italy, southern Germany, Poland, and Austria-Hungary was diluting Protestant majority in late 19th century USA.

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If she doesn't comply an orange jumpsuit is in her future

by DJS in

scotus: kentucky clerk must issue same-sex marriage licenses.

by ariane de vogue, cnn supreme court reporter.

updated 8:02 pm et, mon august 31, 2015. let's hope this is the final screech from the haters who wrap themselves in the bible - or their egoist political philosophy i doubt it will be, but let's hope..

kaik

"I beg to differ. Her immediate popularity might wane, particularly in the media, but she will be remembered by conservatives due to the extreme "sacrifice" she made. They have long memories and those who go to extremes instead of just talking sh!t are well remembered."

I bet to differ as well. How did work for Anita Bryant? How much her homophobia helped her failing business, bankruptcy, ruined family? She is nothing more than 75 year old hag remembered world-wide having pie thrown on her face. Kim Davis would fare much better? What she will do? Burn the Morehead State University? She will be back in her backward Apostolic church watching its reverend handling snakes.

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If she doesn't comply an orange jumpsuit is in her future

by DJS in

scotus: kentucky clerk must issue same-sex marriage licenses.

by ariane de vogue, cnn supreme court reporter.

updated 8:02 pm et, mon august 31, 2015. let's hope this is the final screech from the haters who wrap themselves in the bible - or their egoist political philosophy i doubt it will be, but let's hope..

kaik

"And sell bolony sandwiches to Gentiles too --But they don't buy it. Also, I never said that Jewish religious groups were not supportive of gay rights."

I never seen any Jewish person selling bolony sandwiches... To much antisemitism on your mind? Rejected in the past by Jewish girl?

SS is not endorsed by religions

Are you trying to imply that Judaism is not religion? LOL.