Religious marriage is still government contract. If you have a reverend, priest, rabbi, druid, imam performing marriage in USA, it is still a government contract. Even the retarded bible preacher who is officiant and hip hop in front of crucifix and screams "O praise Him" and perform marriage, is still doing government contract. For many who are not affiliated with any religious group, marriage can be performed at any court in USA. I do not need any religious officiant conduct my marriage. Marriage is valid in the front of law regardless if it was conducted by religious or secular officiant. Therefore, it is government business. It is ridiculous to claim that only religious ceremony is valid marriage license. It does not work that way. Even prior last SCOTUS ruling, gay couple could get married by many gay-friendly churches. On the other hand, many heterosexual marriage could not be conducted by people of mixed faith by religious officiant. For that reason, marriage became a secular contract between two people and the government. SCOTUS included this contract for SSM in 14 states which discriminated gay and lesbian people from possibility to enter into this contract.
Posts by kaik
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175Implications of gay marriage ruling
by Rattigan350 inwhile many think that the ruling is good for the gays and their response is: how does that affect your marriage; then on the other side the religious people cry god and sinners.
but both are missing the forest through the trees.. the problem with the ruling is that which is discussed here so many times.
five unelected federal officials decided on policy for the whole country, running roughshod over every democratic principle.
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Implications of gay marriage ruling
by Rattigan350 inwhile many think that the ruling is good for the gays and their response is: how does that affect your marriage; then on the other side the religious people cry god and sinners.
but both are missing the forest through the trees.. the problem with the ruling is that which is discussed here so many times.
five unelected federal officials decided on policy for the whole country, running roughshod over every democratic principle.
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Marriage is a complex contract. Government is involved since 1791. Marriage is legal binding document. It simplify issues like inheritance, property ownership, taxes, and identify a family unit under one census code. Government is therefore necessary. I do not pay taxes to any religious institution, I am secular and I do not give money to any religious institution. I pay taxes; local, state, and federal. Therefore, it is a government business. I want that my marriage is upheld by the government in the case one of the spouses die. Every sane, industrial country in the world recognized that marriage is a civil contract and belongs under government involvement.
I have not talked about domestic partner benefit. Since federal government decided to make marriage equal among sexes between two adult, domestic partnership is no more valid. Any case, if two same-sex couple could not file join taxes, having inheritance of common property or even claim SS benefits, it is discrimination as SCOTUS had ruled. Therefore, marriage between same sex or opposite sex is the government business. I do not care what any religious organization had to say about my marriage. I know that some orthodox Jewish synagogue would not validate my marriage to Jew, but I did not get married in synagogue, and I do not claim any Jewish benefits either.
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Implications of gay marriage ruling
by Rattigan350 inwhile many think that the ruling is good for the gays and their response is: how does that affect your marriage; then on the other side the religious people cry god and sinners.
but both are missing the forest through the trees.. the problem with the ruling is that which is discussed here so many times.
five unelected federal officials decided on policy for the whole country, running roughshod over every democratic principle.
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garyneal, Government was always involved in marriage since 1791 because it was considered civil contract as well. For that reason county courts in USA were required to collect information in their jurisdiction regarding marriage. I had civic marriage in USA and no religious. My spouse is Jewish (orthodox), and we did not want any rabbi to get involved in it. Government has as much right to get involved in the marriage as it is desirable and necessary for tax purposes, census data, alimony, inheritance, and benefits.
Currently slight majority of Americans are not associated with any church and good portion of population does not belong to any religious organization. Therefore, state, county, and federal government plays a crucial role in giving people to right to marry and with it all the associated benefits. Removing government from marriage business in secular society is impossible and undesirable.
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If she doesn't comply an orange jumpsuit is in her future
by DJS inscotus: kentucky clerk must issue same-sex marriage licenses.
by ariane de vogue, cnn supreme court reporter.
updated 8:02 pm et, mon august 31, 2015. let's hope this is the final screech from the haters who wrap themselves in the bible - or their egoist political philosophy i doubt it will be, but let's hope..
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It will be interesting what will happen next week in the county. There are talks that she wants to fire all her subordinates who disobeyed her order not to issue marriage. I believe they are waiting for it to happen so KY AG can put own prosecution case and get her removed from the office by legal means. -
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Could "this generation" inspire a new "1975 debacle"?
by Island Man ini think that it's possible that they're getting ready to issue a new end time date insinuation like they did with 1975. now i know what some of you are probably thinking: why would they be so stupid as to repeat such a mistake, knowing what happened in 1975?
well here're two reasons why i think they could do it:.
first, it's important to remember that they are deluded.
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Many of you had pointed out to 2034. I believe that currently WT is trying to get rid off through biological mean (natural death) of people who remember the nonsense of generation of 1914 which was popular until 1990. Remember all the buzz in the 1980's when the generation was above the grave when people in WT claimed that Armageddon is imminent. 30 years later all these people from 1914 generations are gone. Within next 20 years majority of JWs who were buzzed high on the last years of the old world would be gone as well. After this biological exchange we can see any change of the WT theology. Many JWs are not aware that Russel predicted the end in his lifetime and that the end of the system started in 1799(!). -
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Another Kim Davis inspired self-invented "gay issue"
by Simon inwhat is it about some of these self proclaimed "christians" who go seeking persecution when it don't exist?.
we've had a case locally in calgary where the initial reports sounded like the person had a legitimate claim: a bus driver didn't want to drive the bus in a gay pride parade and said he'd resign if they made him and that the local transit company was threatening him to force him to do it.. except it was all invented ... by him !.
they already proactively told him that there was no danger that he would be asked to drive that bus in the parade (i.e.
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Fundamentalist Christianity is American invention and it is one the most extreme religious movement ever invented by man. This movement is extremely dangerous due desire creating Iranian style Christian theocracy and combining elements of single party dictatorship with Christianity. This movement, while Protestant origin coincided with Catholic theocratic parties that became prominent in Europe in the 1920-1940 in states like Croatia and Slovakia. European fundamentalism was condemned as extreme movement after 1945 and pretty much outlawed together with National socialist and fascist parties. Americans lacks self-reflection on the danger of the fundamentalism, but if this movement ever become victorious the outcome would be a national disaster. Some European scholars describe American fundamentalism as evangelical fascism.
Hi Simon, what about all the other Christians who greatly respect homosexuals and the LGBT Community and even worked in San Fransisco at Food Banks, Half-way houses and Housing units? I worked there as a young adult and never passed judgement on homosexual teens and drug addicts. Why are people attacking those who really love everyone instead of focusing on the frauds!
Do you have any idea what it's like to minister to kids living on the street, kids with same sex partners suffering from HIV? I do, these fake Christians who never did a ounce of real service suck, please don't call them Christians and we won't all Mao, Hitler and Stalin atheists!
Christians were minority and often blocking force when it came to deal with HIV epidemics. It was actually the left parties that saw it as a political issue and became most prominent political movement when it comes to issue of HIV, gay rights, and gay marriage.
Hitler was never atheist, he believed in God and Providence. It was only in USA when I encountered idea that he was atheists. Stalin studied to be a priest and his mom until her death (when he already was the most powerful man in USSR) never forgave him to abandon his priesthood. Many communists believed that Stalin was religious, but combined his Orthodox faith with the cult of personality and veneration of Lenin.
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Arctic Ice Increasing
by Perry inarctic has gained hundreds of miles of ice the last three years.
red shows the september 2012 minimum extent.
green shows the current extent, which is likely the minimum for 2015. the arctic has gained hundreds of miles of ice over the past three years, much of which is thick, multi-year ice.. article.
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Weather will change, that's for sure.
In many million years climate will change due two major tectonic shifts: Northern America will move toward northern pole, and Greenland will be further north making continental ice shield possible. Second shift will be collision of Africa with Europe and uplifting mountains through Mediterranean and thus ending any traces of ancient Tethys sea. Earth will become dryer due larger land mass and much of the world salt would be trapped on land. Somalian land will secede from Africa and prevent ocean current circulating through Indian Ocean. Either way, climate is not constant. However, present global climate change is due man-made pollution.
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Implications of gay marriage ruling
by Rattigan350 inwhile many think that the ruling is good for the gays and their response is: how does that affect your marriage; then on the other side the religious people cry god and sinners.
but both are missing the forest through the trees.. the problem with the ruling is that which is discussed here so many times.
five unelected federal officials decided on policy for the whole country, running roughshod over every democratic principle.
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kaik
I cannot believe any of you were ever baptized. What are you going to endorse next? Bestiality. Marriage is between a man and a woman. Not a man marrying a man; or a woman marrying a woman.
Endorse this type of behavior on an internet forum if you desire. But keep this in mind, Jehovah knows who you are.
And I cannot believe you are so stupid that you compare consensual relationship between two loving adults with bestiality. Any case you do not define what relationship between two adults are. Nobody asked you for your permission.
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Three Elders with Same Victim - Is Poland Next?
by berrygerry infrom reddit:.
https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/3iipt9/its_happening_a_big_news_story_in_one_of_the/.
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Poland has very strict anti-pedophilia laws. If the AG gets into the case, it will be all over Polish press and someone will end up in jail. Lets hope it does not end with some cover-up. -
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Arctic Ice Increasing
by Perry inarctic has gained hundreds of miles of ice the last three years.
red shows the september 2012 minimum extent.
green shows the current extent, which is likely the minimum for 2015. the arctic has gained hundreds of miles of ice over the past three years, much of which is thick, multi-year ice.. article.
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kaik
Global warming is measured fact and there is very little to debate about it. Many of denialists are not aware that regular weather measurement are conducted for several hundred years. In Prague they are measure on daily basis since 1774 such weather phenomena like temperature, humidity, pressure, and rainfall. University of Vienna and Leipzig measure weather even longer. The trend is clear that average temperature is rising. There are some oscillations where some decade were extremely cold while some years had hot dry weather. Any change in global temperature would be tied to oscillation from solar radiation, but rapid increase of temperature in past 200 years is tied to human action.