Generally once person stumble, there is little forgiveness and it lingers permanently with your personal record to the death. Exception are if the person has extensive family in the KH that irons the wrinkles on the persona. My sibling was not DA or DF, but had some issues in the past where until today some JW consider my sibling to be reinstated apostate (but this is not true). I also knew a a person whose husband was elder, but she was not. She actually opposed until he died, and she got baptized after his death. However, the association of her past lingered and lingered and many JWs ostracized her for her prior action. Nonetheless, she is very nice person and I really liked her, but elderette wives always mentioned her past behind her back.
Posts by kaik
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59A difficult yet necessary decision
by Brother Jeramy inthe past five weeks have been perhaps the most painful in my life as a witness.. some months ago a young man (i'd say in his late thirties or early forties) began attending meetings at my kingdom hall.
he had just moved to my area from another state.
he had disassociated himself from his home congregation many years back, when he was 20 years old and going through many of the typical trials and temptations most young men experience.. two of the elders met with him initially, and they later shared the details with the body of elders.
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BREAKING NEWS!!!
by DATA-DOG inbreaking news from co!!
according to a reliable source, the co in my area says that jws may have been hearing the phrase, "final push" being used.
what sage advice did this shepherd, duke, and "star" of revelation have to say?
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kaik
I heard from my mom yesterday that she was on the convention over the weekend, and she told me that was the most ridiculous one she heard through entire time in WT. She mentioned that they dealt with Matthew chapters and one topic after the next was not making whatsoever any sense. She told me that they were adjoining different themes from the book into some scenario leaving old-timers in her group confused. She told me through the program nobody with her group even bothered to open a bible as they were almost afraid to digest the message or to find other ideas that were not presented on the convention. My mom is very vivid when it comes to Bible and she records in her notepad all the biblical verses, so she can have time to think about them and talk about it with her husband. But in the last weekend, she said it was almost impossible to record any of them, so she left the convention without her precious notes. -
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Stats on Gay Marriage & Religious Belief
by snare&racket inso just how non-judgmental, tolerant, respectful, caring, loving, liberal and humane are the religious groups?.
"findings from prris american values atlas, which draws on 40,000 interviews among a random sample of americans, provides the most in-depth portrait to date of attitudes on same-sex marriage by religious affiliation.. the most supportive major religious groups are buddhists (84 percent), jews (77 percent), and americans who select other religion (75 percent); additionally, more than three-quarters (77 percent) of the religiously unaffiliated also support same-sex marriage.. more than six in ten (62 percent) white mainline protestants support same-sex marriage.
among white mainline protestant denominations, support ranges from 69 percent support among white mainline presbyterians and 68 percent among both white episcopalians and white congregationalists/united church of christ members, to lower support among white mainline baptists (53 percent) and white mainline church of christ/disciples (50 percent).. and while the catholic church officially opposes the legalization of same-sex marriage, about six in ten white (61 percent), hispanic (60 percent), and other non-white catholics (60 percent) support allowing gay and lesbian couples to marry legally.
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kaik
I seen similar study from European Union, where JWs were at the bottom of same-sex marriage support and far more disapproving than Islam. Last three censuses conducted in the Czech Republic and Slovakia showed that JW have the lowest educational achievement and lowest income from all examined religious groups. Jews had the highest income and highest educational achievement followed by Protestants (Bohemian Brethren), while Catholics fall somewhere in the middle. -
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kaik
Greece is broken beyond help. It is unfortunate, but nobody can fix their own mess except Greek alone. They need to figure out a way how to make their economy growing. However, they cornered themselves into the position, and their elective leadership isolate Greece from rest of Europe. They are without ally. I expect total disintegration of their economy, because their banking system had collapsed, and they would need at least 90 billions to restart the economy, which is 1% of GDP of EU. However, ECB would need to get all other 18 members to vote on it unanimously, which they wont. All of Eastern EU member are deeply against Greece, and Slovakia called for expulsion of them from EU.
Greece needs to reform and modernize their economy to be strong and enable generate extensive export. Greek export 1/3 of good what is generated by much smaller Slovakia. Czech Republic with the same population size, export 6x more. Yet, all these countries have lower income and lower per capita output than Greece. Something went horrible wrong in the past decade in the Greek economy. The leadership that is responsible for it should be jailed. Austerity only deepened the misery and very little was done in reforming the system.
With collapsing system, Greece may experience a military junta, and leave NATO and EU all together.
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What was so new about The Theory of Evolution?
by iconoclastic inthe east had already been teaching the 10 stages of human evolution (that should happen in the life-span of a human being) using an allegorical story of 10 incarnations of god:.
1) fish (water borne life, a fish-like start in the womb of mother) amoebae or primeval evolution..
2) turtle (life moves into land, crawling child once outside the womb) amphibians..
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kaik
Whatever any Eastern religion/philosophy teaches about evolution is irrelevant, as evolution is about change of species over time, from one generation to the next. This is taught in USA, Europe or Asia, and has nothing to do with "something spiritually evolved". -
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How do you feel about exJW's who resist our efforts to effect change?
by nicolaou ini've met a few.
i'm not talking about the jw who, whether df'd or not, falls off the radar and just gets on with living a normal life - good luck to them and may there be many more!.
i mean the former jehovah's witness who is now enjoying all the benefits of a cult free life thanks to the efforts of many bloggers, posters and activists, but is critical of the efforts of someone close them to free more jws.
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kaik
Some ex-JWs still hold belief that WT is the channel of God' communication, but organization is imperfect due human nature of the people. They get defensive of WT, and does not matter how many mistakes the organization makes. Some of the exJW crowd also hope to return once the WT "reforms" and gives them justification for their DA/DF. I met these exJWs like that, who are out for years, yet they internally feel connected to the WT. -
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What Road Would You Choose---IF?
by John Aquila insay you could go back in time to when you were 15 years old.
no watchtower in your life.
but the experience you have now you could keep.
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kaik
I would not change much because I generally have successful corporate career and I have earned a good education. However, I would change different path to it. I would not waste a time on my undergrad in my field, and later I had to go through various graduate courses and certifications to fill my gaps. It was just too expensive and time consuming.
If I knew my biological father would die in my teens, I would probably spent more time with him, as he left us due my mom became JW and he did not. I barely know much what he liked and what were his dreams/aspirations. I could hike, ski, mountain climb with him in my 15th birthday instead spending my teens years in KH.
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On the Relevancy of The Institutionalization of Sin
by Perry inchild murder, sodomy & corrupting the human genome are not new sins, they are old ones.
what is new is their institutionalization.
but even that isn't totally new.
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kaik
I never understood how someone would leave the WTS for any other religion. I just dropped my faith like a hot potato after 25 years of indoctrination in JW hullabaloo.
Some people feels that WT is not radical enough, and will leave to pursue even more radical, crazy religion with more extreme devotion that they had left behind.
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Why would Jehovah and Jesus talk to Satan?
by hardtobeme inif satan is the greatest apostate there is, why he was allowed to be in heaven?
job chapters 1 and 2 says that jehovah talked to him.
wasn't jehovah supposed to shun his son and set an example to all parents?.
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kaik
This is one the most ridiculous part in the New Testament. Considering the nonsense Jesus and Satan go on hike together, Satan tempting Jesus, etc. From Judaism point of view, this does not make a sense, since Satan is not antagonist of God, but someone who is employed by Him. -
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On the Relevancy of The Institutionalization of Sin
by Perry inchild murder, sodomy & corrupting the human genome are not new sins, they are old ones.
what is new is their institutionalization.
but even that isn't totally new.
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kaik
- A sin is a human construct
- What you believe is irrelevant in society that is defined by sets of laws not by your religious conviction
- Majority of humanity does not believe in Jesus, never did
- What adults do in the privacy of their bedrooms is not your damn business
- "God, in his wisdom gives people what they want..... complete freedom in him, or from him.". nonsense sentence with the use of words "giving, want, and freedom". Parents of children dying with cancer or people born with deformities would disagree with you. There is a saying "If God wants, he will bless someone with blindness".