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  why did man go from living 900 years to 90?

  by sowhatnow in

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  i cant recall the scripture, where it says than only a few men will he live to be 80 years or so, can anyone recall that?.

  so then im wondering, if it is a fact that men lived long years 900 in some cases, for what reason would god limit our lifespan if our time is so short compared to his?.

  how on earth does man go from living 8 and 9 hundred years down to 80 to 100 ?.

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  kaik

  This is one of the typical fairy tale Bible babble. There is not biological possibility that any mammal could live that long. Even whales who have very long life span or turtles do not live 900 year. Even fossils indicate that large dinosaurs lived between 60 to 80 years the most.

  Egyptian and Babylonian myths are full of long lived people, but there is no any excavated evidence that anyone lived beyond 100 years. While old age over 90 was not very common in ancient times, it was not as surprising. Ramses II lived probably to the age 90+. Several ancient monarchs lived closed that age as well. In late antiquity many monks lived long age like Cassiodorus who died 100 years old, and Saint Nilo 95 years. These are documented ages as these people were very active and left extensive trails of documents over their long life span.
  
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  Worst Bible Verse ... EVER

  by Wild_Thing in

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  from the nwt, of course.

  none of the other versions make it sound any better, either.

  2 timothy, chapter 2 has been used and abused to suppress women everywhere.

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  kaik

  My since childhood was I. Timothy 5:3 through 16. Especially attack on widows, and some of them just do not make sense like making younger widows get married and have children by arbitrary age 60. Entire chapter is deeply misogynistic and hypocritical.
  
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  Is it common for old men to marry young JW?

  by adjusted knowledge in

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  i left in the 90's and marriage partners were similar in age at my former congregation.

  i ran into a former jw friend from my childhood.

  i haven't seen him in 15 years.

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  kaik

  It is hard not to judge age difference among partners, but my rule, both people are adults and it is their business.
  
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  How to change some significance of 1914.

  by sloppyjoe2 in

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  i first do not think they will change anything about 1914 for at least 20 or more years but one day it will have to happen.

  since 1914 is their meal ticket and they have it in print prior to the year happening, they will never abandon the year altogether.

  they have too much tied into 1914-1919 as well as have held onto it for too long.

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  kaik

  Depending on what sources I have seen, the 1799 was not replaced until 1926 or 1928. So they claimed the end of times for 125 years. 1799 is still valid on the book in Harp of God in 1921 where on page 229 is published that "1799, marks, according to Prophet's own words, the beginning of the 'time of the end'".
  
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  Huge Shift in Doctrine?

  by Lemonp in

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  i am not sure why more people aren't talking about this?.

  the march 15 study edition of the wt has some major changes!

  - all unbiblical "types and antitypes" are now dropped.

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  kaik

  Vidiot, I did not mean that they will fade 1914 within next two years. It will take a decades until the generation of JWs who were attached to this year would die off. They did not change 1799 start of great tribulation until 1926-1928! Nobody was alive anymore since the time of the Napoleon's wars during Roaring 20's.
  
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  Huge Shift in Doctrine?

  by Lemonp in

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  i am not sure why more people aren't talking about this?.

  the march 15 study edition of the wt has some major changes!

  - all unbiblical "types and antitypes" are now dropped.

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  Yes, Finkelstein, they will need to fade the 1914 all together. However, have you seen how ambiguous and neutral WT wordings had became? I think they just trying to release couple BS doctrines and put wait-and-see attitudes to see which one would stick to the JW crowd. It seems that they testing what their members will accept and than groom it as the new truth. It is hilarious, but also very sad manipulation.
  
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  Huge Shift in Doctrine?

  by Lemonp in

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  i am not sure why more people aren't talking about this?.

  the march 15 study edition of the wt has some major changes!

  - all unbiblical "types and antitypes" are now dropped.

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  Some of the issues are not new. Rapture was taught to us in the late 1980's, and this was the first time I have ever encountered this word. Rapture became increasingly popular with extreme evangelical movements and WT just jumped into the bandwagon with them. Other issue is a pushed by necessity. As 1914 became distant year in a human history, they need to unwrap all the BS that was based on this doctrine. One of them is the 1918/1919 idiocy when they claimed that Bible Students were chosen by Jesus after for 3.5 years he was examining world's religion and discover a pack of prisoners charged with sedition in USA. I think it was 1919 year when they started to claim to be God's exclusive channel of communication. In order to unwrap from 1914, they need to erase all the theology tied to it. Since it been almost 100 years, they have must create new sets of doctrines, but this takes a years to establish. I see it as releasing balloons in the year, and which does not get shut down will eventually groomed as a new "truth".
  
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  Jehovah's Witnesses ... Proclaimers of "soon, very soon" since 1879

  by jwleaks in

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  the first edition of the watchtower magazine, july 1879, made the following comment on page 5 regarding how "soon" the end of this system will come:.

  exactly 136 years later the latest edition of the watchtower magazine, july 2015, (paragraph 3) made the following comment on page 15 regarding how "soon" the end of this system will come:.

  jehovah's witnesses ... proclaimers of "soon, very soon" since 1879.. .

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  Early Christianity pulled the same BS for 400 years. When Alaric sacked Rome in 410 and Roman power collapsed, people could not imagine a world without strong state, and they thought that Jesus arrival is imminent. Millions of Christians from Britain to Judea were expecting the Kingdom of God to arrive to fill the political vacuum. Many of the refugees went to Jerusalem and waited. Years had passed, Roman empire totally disintegrated and no end on sight. 1605 years later, some Christians are still waiting. WT, if can last that long can pull the same scenario well to the end of the 3rd millennia.
  
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  How many here gave up having a family for the sake of the "truth"?

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  this is a sensitive topic for many of us i know, but i am wondering how many here actually gave up the idea of having a family "in this system" for the sake of "kingdom activity or service"??.

  start the count here with my wife and i.

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  kaik

  In my congregation we had several women who never were married, and were available after Armageddon. There was also couple who did not had children and the man died, and the wife remained alone for all these years. She must be in her mid 80's. Most of these women were born between 1935-1950, and they kinda sit together without family waiting for big "A" to get married and had children. I feel sorry for them as they wasted their life for nothing. In my generation, there was only one woman who decided to be single and not having any children. I also knew couple who could not conceive a child, the woman was very devastated as she went to many treatments and had several miscarriages.
  

  On the other hands there are JWs who have many children so they can milk welfare and use it free housing, financial support from the state, and they have plenty of time not working but doing a field work. Win win situation.
  
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  Having Faith in the Bible

  by william draper in

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  i know many on here have lost faith in the bible , is it possible that is because ones do not have the right perspective regarding it .

  we have usually been taught by bad teachers , or ignorant .

  i believe if we take an honest look at the bible , we will see that it gives us the best answers to crucial matters , it gives us some amount of bearings ( understanding ) , which without having such knowledge we would all be more like walking zombies in amanner of speaking , we would be lacking hope in something better , for surely something better is to come , how can we be sure , .

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  Bible does not have Divine authority. Even in the late antiquity when Christianity became dominant, it became clear in Eastern Roman Empire and later in Catholic Europe, that Bible cannot be used as source for laws, or moral codex. Various Christian kingdoms had to compromise their beliefs with reality when it comes to laws and they had to pick something more qualified like Roman laws over antiquated, impractical, Mosaic laws of the OT. If we take away issues of slavery, wrong Earth's history, abuse of children, wife, etc., it cannot be taken as authority. Bible shows what long gone civilization thought about Divine order and they tried to interpret it such way.