i was thinking about using a tactic of asking questions revolving around "noahs flood" to try to start my wife doing some serious thinking.
unlike doctrine that cannot often be proven one way or another, this issue can be proven beyond the slightest doubt that it is impossible.. i was thinking about asking a question something like this "i was reading about coral reefs today, and they sure are amazing!
what amazed me the most is how long it takes for them to build the reef, and how long they live!
I don't know if logic will change something in her belief system. I also explained once all the logical flaws of the flood story with my wife. She says that probably the flood was local and not global. But who cares 'We will find out in the new system.'
It's however a good way to do it with questions.
On this thread we discussed about the flood too.http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/268118/1/Dr-Hans-Kristian-Kotlar-supports-creation
looking for feedback.
to bring you all back up to speed, wife is ex-jw.
shunned by her brother and parts of her family at uncles jw funeral.
It is very loving and great to see how you defend your wife.
Did he really call her slut?
Good luck to you and your wife.
hello gents and ladies.
whats your take on this article on jan 2014 awake?.
did your view of evolution change?.
I believe the flood account and sumerian, accadian flood accounts share the same origin. A huge local flood that remained in the collective memory of those nations (not 2400 bce but older.
There are many more flood legends around the world. WT says it is because all humans come from Noah. I believe that those legends come from huge floods after the melting ofvthe last ice age 14000-8000 years ago. The sea level eas about 120metres below todays level. That gave an enormous amount of land to inhabit which is flooded now. There were maybe civilisations that we have never heard if.
In India for example in the gulf of cambay ruins were found deep below sea level. On the japanese island of yonaguni some there are structures deep under water that some scientists believe to be manmade.
hello gents and ladies.
whats your take on this article on jan 2014 awake?.
did your view of evolution change?.
DS211: Rainbows exist when sunlight is reflectef in water sparks. Way before the flood there must have been rainbows as it rained before even the creation of man. The bible speaks of a humid climate.
The flood account doesnt contradict a local flood. The term whole earth is often used in the bible to describe some local things like the roman worldpower.
Flavius Josephus writes in his work 'Jewish antiquities' in paragraph 94-95 and 109 that many people fled to the high mountains and survived the flood (the wt society often quotes from that work). When you view it that all evil people living close to Noah died (but a lot that survived in other parts of the land) then not even this is a contradiction.
the society are at it again.
witnesses at a local congregation are getting rid of old literature that predates the early 90's.
you can imagine why.
How do you know that they destroy it.
In our library we have some okd books like the harp of god. They are not destroyed.
first i made love to my wife, maybe i'm better in bed then i thought, because about an hour after that my wife comes back in and i'm sitting at my desk and i asked her, "when the elders df me are you going to leave me, spiritual endangerment and all" she said, no, i don't feel endangered and we talked awhile and i talked about da ing and not sure what to do, then i shared with her a toned down version of the da letter that i posted and that led to her asking about my beliefs and understandings of who the great crowd and 144k, heaven and earthly hopes.
i was even able to tell her how they changed or distorted the meaning of the word naos to show the great crowd not in heaven.
i was able to show her some of the scriptures from the da letter, able to tell her a little about 1914 and how jesus did'nt invisably come in a presence, showing her scriptures on that and some more ttatt.
Crazyguy: I am happy that you and your wife had an open discussion. You certainly feel relieved. Just continue to show a greater measure of love and respect to her. I hope the same happens once with my wife.
hello gents and ladies.
whats your take on this article on jan 2014 awake?.
did your view of evolution change?.
I talked to one geologist who is mentioned in the awake about creation a few years ago. He is an elder too.
I asked him that I find it hard to believe in a global flood and if there are some geological signs or proofs for a global flood. He said he asks himself the same questions because there is no geological evidence for a global flood 2400 bc. So he tends to believe it was a local flood.
The bible does not speak against a local flood. The hebrew word for 'earth' means actually land (the people of that time did not think of a round blue planet when they thought about earth), the hebrew word for 'mountains' can also mean 'hills'.
Scientists Pitman and Ryan proved that the black sea was flooded about 7000 years ago. Flood myths could have started when the ice caps of the ice age melted.
so the impending doom of the end is coming and i will not be df'd so they can tell others i sinned or something else.
i will da, but not sure what to expect next and what they will say to my family and children.
i have 5 kids one baptised and ofcourse a wife, so what should i prepare for??
Crazyguy: The elders normally won't promote a divorce (jehovah hates divorce). Spiritual endangerment would be if you constantly bombard her with apostate views and hinder her in her theocratic activities.
so the impending doom of the end is coming and i will not be df'd so they can tell others i sinned or something else.
i will da, but not sure what to expect next and what they will say to my family and children.
i have 5 kids one baptised and ofcourse a wife, so what should i prepare for??
Maybe this thread will help you too.http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/266224/1/What-is-the-best-for-the-child-if-father-knows-TTATT-and-mother-is-a-devout-JW
so the impending doom of the end is coming and i will not be df'd so they can tell others i sinned or something else.
i will da, but not sure what to expect next and what they will say to my family and children.
i have 5 kids one baptised and ofcourse a wife, so what should i prepare for??
weigh what is better especially if you have kids and wife.
I wish you all the best. I am there for you if you want to talk more.
Daniel
