there are a couple of long threads going right now about evolution & abortion.. .
if evolution were true, how could there be any basis for morality?.
bohm: "basis for morality because other humans exist and they are just like us"
Yes, and all of us are going to die and turn to worm food. So why should any human give a crap about any other human? Isn't the logical thing to do is make the most of brief time here? Sense of morality is just some defective chemicals in brain.
there are a couple of long threads going right now about evolution & abortion.. .
if evolution were true, how could there be any basis for morality?.
It seems to me that the "morality" of evolution should dictate that the individual does what benefits self. Why put community above self unless it benefits self?
If an attempt were made to apply to a community, then it would make sense to cull the herd of non-producers like elderly or disabled.
there are a couple of long threads going right now about evolution & abortion.. .
if evolution were true, how could there be any basis for morality?.
Then moral judgments do not exist except as delusions. There is no reason for any individual human to care about another one other than for satisfaction of the individual's needs or wants.
there are a couple of long threads going right now about evolution & abortion.. .
if evolution were true, how could there be any basis for morality?.
There are a couple of long threads going right now about evolution & abortion.
If evolution were true, how could there be any basis for morality?
or should I say "untermensch"?
So abortion is ok for financial reasons, gender reasons, or any reason up until the actual delivery of the "potential human"?
a old thread was bumped recently in which posters from 9 years ago raised objections to evolution basesd on personal incredulity regarding sexual reproduction.. i remember an elder in one of my old congregations saying something to the effect that "how could evolution be true, if men evolved before women...blah blah" you get the picture.. i have refreshed my memory of a chapter in nick lane's excellent book "life arising - the ten greatest inventions of evolution" and put together a summary.
it would be great if others would add to it - cantleave, adam, tiktaalik, s&r, bohm et al?.
here is my starter focusing on the problem with non-sexual selection.... if the driving force in evolution is the struggle of selfish genes to pass on copies of themselves to future generations, then sex seems counter-productive.
This discussion seems to focus on why sex is an advantage. Totally absent is any plausible explanation of HOW it could have started, been maintained and spread.
For those who support abortion, what limits (if any) should be placed on it and why?
did you decline out of fear?
decline because you hated doing demos?
accept the request graciously?
If I had a part and it had demo of presentation, I'd always make sure there was time for demo and cut back on me talking. Always thought it would be unkind to ask them to get demo together and then not give them a chance to do it. If last minute part and I couldn't find anyone then I'd just do it myself. Same thing with TMS. If someone didn't show for talk I'd ask for volunteers. If no volunteers did it myself or through Q&A with audience. For a long demo (not just a mag or book presentation), I'd make sure people had plenty of notice and a practice session before meeting. Threw in visual aids, humor, etc. whenever possible. Assumed it was a privilege and people should want to do it or at least be given the opportunity. That was before the more recent direction to squeeze even more life out of meetings. Not an elder any more so not an issue for me.
a old thread was bumped recently in which posters from 9 years ago raised objections to evolution basesd on personal incredulity regarding sexual reproduction.. i remember an elder in one of my old congregations saying something to the effect that "how could evolution be true, if men evolved before women...blah blah" you get the picture.. i have refreshed my memory of a chapter in nick lane's excellent book "life arising - the ten greatest inventions of evolution" and put together a summary.
it would be great if others would add to it - cantleave, adam, tiktaalik, s&r, bohm et al?.
here is my starter focusing on the problem with non-sexual selection.... if the driving force in evolution is the struggle of selfish genes to pass on copies of themselves to future generations, then sex seems counter-productive.
This topic should have started with "Once upon a time" like other fairy tales
