A recent KM school told elders (I was one at the time) that people were getting reinstated too fast. Suggested at least a year before reinstatement.
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How long does reinstatement take?!? Question for a elder or someone thats been in this situation
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N.J. family killed in Buffalo plane crash remembered
by truthseeker inhttp://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2009/02/new_jersey_family_killed_in_bu.html.
n.j. family killed in buffalo plane crash rememberedby nyier abdou and brian t. murray/ the star-ledger saturday february 28, 2009, 9:18 pmmore than 1,500 people gathered at the jersey city assembly hall of jehovah's earlier tonight to remember a bloomfield family killed two weeks ago when continental connection flight 3407 crashed in a buffalo, n.y. suburb, killing all 49 people aboard and one man on the ground.. donald and dawn mossop, their 12-year-old son, shawn, and dawn mossop's 44-year-old sister, ferris reid, were remembered as an inseparable, loving family who relished traveling together, eating well together and worshipping together at their jehovah's witness congregation in montclair.
the sisters, who had 12 other siblings, also were celebrated for their faith and their dedication to their ministry.. saed hindash/the star-ledgerthe program for the memorial service for the mossop family saturday at the jersey city assembly hall of jehovah's witnesses.
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It is a tragedy.
However, I find it strange that it was held at the Stanley. Did WT leaders seize on this as a photo-op???
Also curious is that Ianelli gave the funeral talk. He was sent to Florida in 2002 to give another high-profile talk for a JW firefighter. That funeral included walking the casket through a cordon of saluting firemen. They also bend the rules to humanize the talk by actually (horrors!) talking about the deceased.
Another example of the cynical nature of WT leadership??? They sure compromise on funerals that get a lot of public attention.
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First century governing body?
by lostsheep82 inmy anointed step dad always mentions about how the first century christians had a governing body also.
where in the bible does it actually say that?
to me governing body is just a dictatorship of men who think they are right and can control, no different than the governments....governing body set rules, and ultimately decide your future as far as i'm concerned.
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You might find these old threads interesting since they discuss this topic.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/members/private/84617/1/a-friend-in-need
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Was Pittsburgh's last Super Bowl win legit?
by JimmyPage ini'm not a seahawks fan, nor am i anti-steeler.
i watched this super bowl just wanting to see a fair game.
and it could have been an exciting, close match- except that every time the seahawks got close the refs made a questionable call against them.
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worst was Rams - Pats
Pats were handed the win
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If you were DFd: How did you feel at first? (for my book project)
by Awakened at Gilead ini am starting to write a book about survival/recovery for exjws or questioning jws... i hope to have an impact on the jw community.. .
in my first chapter, i discuss the negative effects of dfing and shunning.
the wts presents dfing in a positive light and indicates that jws should feel no compassion for those that have turned their back on jehovah.
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*** it-1 p. 787 Expelling ***
One who was cast out as wicked, cut off entirely, would be considered worthy of death, though the Jews might not have the authority to execute such a one. Nevertheless, the form of cutting off they did employ was a very powerful weapon in the Jewish community. -
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JWs and National Oaths of Allegiance Expose' by Marvin Shilmer-Please Read
by AndersonsInfo inthe following three paragraphs are part of a startling new essay written by a well-respected poster on jwd.
he spent much time and money to gather proof of duplicity on the part of watch tower leaders.
marvin shilmer (not his real name) has given permission for me to put his entire essay on my website, www.watchtowerdocuments.com.
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The essay would be stronger if it included all of the actual oaths referred to. What were the oaths in Malawi, Georgia and California?
It also doesn't include any reference to the g75 7/22 p. 27 article on "What Is the Bible’s View? The Taking of Oaths".
The last example cited for top WT officials is from 1971, why aren't there any that are more recent? Perhaps this should be included:
*** g72 10/8 p. 29 Watching the World ***
Passport Oath
? United States passport applicants will be interested in the following statement from the August 3, 1972, Postal Bulletin: “On the basis of recent court action and until further notice, the requirement that an oath of allegiance be sworn to or affirmed is no longer a part of the passport application process. Accordingly . . . any applicant who desires may strike the oath of allegiance from the application. Postal officials should, of course, continue to administer the oath as to the truth of the statements in the application and that the photograph is a likeness of all persons to be included in the passport.” -
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My Story - Part 4
by Jeremy C inpart 1. part 2. part 3. i submitted my regular pioneer application in late 1993 so that i could officially begin on january 1st.
i knew that my application would get the rubber stamp of approval from the service committee since i had never been involved in any conduct that would prevent my appointment.. i was however slightly rebellious throughout my teens; but it was what i would refer to as a "watchtower rebelliousness".
you see, i believe that there are two forms of rebelliousness among jw youth.
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Enjoying your story. Looking forward to next part
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So are my JW friends really my friends - or not?
by BonaFide ini am being investigated judicially, although weeks are going by without the elders saying anything to me about it.
i still comment and give my talks.. anyway, some of my friends are getting word about me being investigated, some in my family too.
a couple i used to preach with every week no longer call me and bug me to join them.
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Very few friends (maybe none) are unconditional. The difference is in what their conditions are. Would you be friends with a racist? a fascist? a child molester? a murderer?
Everybody sets their own conditions, you just don't agree with the JWs conditions. I don't agree with some of them myself or the extreme nature of some of the rules, but this glorifying non-JW friends as unconditional is simply not true. -
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How Many Mutations Does It Take To Build An Eye?
by hamilcarr ininspired by recent discussions on blind salamanders .... side remark:.
curiously lacking was any discussion by dawkins of the selection pressure that would have set the process in motion and of the selective advantage of members of more than 399 000 generations of their species would have enjoyed as they served as conduits for this ever-invagination, liquid-filled pair of pockets in their head region (schwartz, 1999: 361-2).. scientific evidence:.
a single gene can turn on a cascade of some 2 500 genes that are required to build an eye (gehring, 1998: 203).. walter gehring provided evidence that only one regulative gene controls eye development.
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A few reviews of Climbing Mount Improbable on Amazon.com. Granted these are negative but do mention some of the book's weak points.
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3.0 out of 5 stars Interesting, but unlikely to win new converts, June 16, 2000
By "mikeu3" (Cambridge, MA USA) - See all my reviews
Climbing Mount Improbable is another of Richard Dawkins' popularly-accessible defenses of Darwinism. Dawkins discusses in detail the evolution of wings and eyes as well as the intriguing mutualistic relationship between figs and the wasps that fertilize them, and these more highly zoology-focused chapters are where he is at his best, which might be expected considering that he is a zoologist. He does an excellent job of exposing us to the diversity of wings and eyes throughout the animal kingdom and of using that diversity as an illustration of the power of natural selection. However, there are a number of weaknesses in the book which prevent it from being the sort of airtight argument for Darwinism that he seems to want it to be. He spends a lot of time discussing computer simulations of the evolution of things like spider webs and insects which serve ostensibly to show that random mutation and natural selection is enough to produce what we see in nature today. But these programs are inevitably gross oversimplifications of the matter (he seemed quite proud to note that his insect-generating program used a total of 16, count 'em, 16 genes) and their imitation of natural selection often consists of nothing more than the user picking the specimens in a generation which most resemble the ones which occur in the wild--this obviously biases the whole process and makes it seem like whatever point it is that he's trying to make with these programs (he doesn't make even that very clear) he's arriving at it in part by circular reasoning.
In discussing the wing, the eye, and the fig, Dawkins purports to be taking the most impressive adaptations in biology and showing that they've all been reached by, as he puts it using the apt metaphor on which the book is based, a gradual slope up Mount Improbable. In the case of the eye, he concentrates on the evolution of its shape and does a solid job at that. However, it seems like the evolution of photocells with light-detecting pigments and the development of the proper neural pathways to interpret signals from the eye would be considerably more substantial achievements than the eye simply attaining the shape it has today, and Dawkins leaves these issues out. Also, Dawkins never really gets around to addressing the issue of how complicated protein molecules like hemoglobin could have come into being through only random mutations and non-random natural selection, an question which, as Dawkins himself mentions, a number of people have some problems with.
All in all, a lot of Dawkins' writing, especially the final chapter on the fig, is quite fascinating and worth reading in its own right. However, as a defense of evolutionary theory, this book leaves a lot of mighty large holes open and consequently seems unlikely to convince the skeptics.
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1.0 out of 5 stars Mount Improbable is Mount Impossible, October 25, 2001
By Ben Holcomb (Wichita) - See all my reviews
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Richard Dawkins goal in Climbing Mount Improbable was to show how the improbable evolution of life happened on planet earth. He failed miserably. Mr. Dawkins does not show ANY EVIDENCE to support this supposed journey up Mount Improbable. Furthermore, he reveals a glaring ignorance of statistics and fails to inform the reader that the chance of an unguided, undirected form of evolution traveling up the slope of Mount Improbable is statistically zero. If Mr. Dawkins wants to maintain blind faith in the impossible then that is his God given choice; but attempting to pass this nonsense off as science, saying that: "Nothing is as difficult to evolve as we humans imagine it to be."(pg 196) and that: "Even the most difficult problems can be solved, and even the most precipitous heights can be scaled, if only a slow, gradual, step-by-step pathway can be found" (326) is not only misleading and unscientific but is flat-out wrong.
Now I am sure that many of Mr. Dawkins followers will challenge the statement that he fails to show any evidence to support his claim. However, this is the only conclusion to draw when one looks objectively at this book. For example, in the first chapter, Facing Mount Rushmore, Dawkins differentiates between accident and design. He argues (correctly) that one who knows nothing about Mount Rushmore could conclude it was designed because, even though nature COULD HAVE made it that way, it would be highly improbable for nature to have accomplished it (6). However, Dawkins show a tremendous lack in logic when he proceeds to argue that organisms (or as he calls them "designoid objects") just bear "the illusion of design" (25). He admits that desingoid objects may seem to be designed because of their perfection, "but it is not real design because it has been arrived at by a completely different process" (28) But where is the evidence to support this? Where is the data to support this supposed scientific claim? The evidence is not witnessed by humans because it "is too slow to make an impressive demonstration for impatient and short-lived humans."(30) The evidence for this completely different process can be found in computers, or so argues Mr. Dawkins. Many others, however, strongly disagree. William Dembski, Michael Behe, and Stephen Meyer show why Dawkins computer program fails in their book: Science and the Evidence for Design in the Universe. Neil Broom does likewise in his book: How Blind is the Watchmaker. Royal Truman has even set up a similar computer program and written about why this does not show how organisms climbed Mount Improbable.
Refer back to the first chapter, and Dawkins concludes that just because nature COULD HAVE created Mount Rushmore, it didn't. It is not probable that nature could create something that looks like four presidents heads. (19) However, Dawkins foregoes this logic throughout the rest of book and argues the exact opposite. For example, Dawkins devotes chapters 4 and 5 to how flying evolved and how the eye evolved. Yet, Dawkins doesn't show ANY EVIDENCE of either occurring in nature. He only points to examples in current organisms and postulates how it COULD HAVE happened. Just because some Australian marsupials are gliders does not prove that some organisms evolved the use of flight. Dawkins creates an hypothetical organism that gradual evolves flaps of skin between the arms and legs. Natural selection could work on this and because this trait may happen to be beneficial, the majority of the population would eventually evolve into something "capable of gliding hundreds of feet, and capable of steering themselves into a control landing." (120) Well that is all fine and dandy, but where is the evidence that this is WHAT HAPPENED, and not just COULD HAVE HAPPENED. Either Mr. Dawkins left this evidence out of the book (highly improbable) or the evidence does not exist (highly probable)!
Dawkins writes: "The ease with which small animals can float suggests that we have only to assume that flying evolved originally in small animals, and the flying peak of Mount Improbable immediately looks less formidable." (113) "All that matters is that the quantity of light entering the eye should be controlled. When you realize this, the early evolution of the variable pupil ceases to be a problem." (168) Again this is not evidence for the evolution of flight or of the eye. This is merely hypothetical conjecture that Dawkins attempts to shove off onto people all in the name of science. Speculating how something COULD HAVE happened is only scientific if the theory can be tested. Dawkins claims are NOT TESTABLE, they are NOT REPEATABLE, and most importantly they are NOT EMPIRICAL; THERE IS NO WAY TO SCIENTIFICAL TEST HIS HYPOTHESIS SO, THUS IT IS NOT A SCIENTIFIC ARGUMENT.
Dawkins often used theological arguments to refute creation. Arguing that traits found in animals today, like whales, show that "No sane creator" would have designed them that way. That if whales "had been deliberately created for the sea, they would be very different, and a lot more like fish than they are."(133) But that observation is NOT A SCIENTIFIC OBSERVATION! That is a claim about the character of God. It is amazing, that evolutionists are notorious for labeling creation unscientific because it concerns the supernatural. But they seem to have no problem with using supernatural arguments to SUPPORT their theory.
This book lacks any scientific evidence to support his claim of the title. Dawkins believes evolution is true, but how do we know this is true? There certainly wasn't any scientific evidence to support it occurring in this book. Dawkins has written that anyone who says they don't believe in evolution is "ignorant, stupid, or insane" (or wicked but he would rather not consider that). However, 90% of the public rejects his form of evolution. Those who do believe in evolution believe in a God directed, guided form of evolution. Tens of Thousands of scientists reject Darwinism. So how can everybody else be wrong? The numbers are growing against Darwinism, and despite what some people say, Philip Johnson is right: Darwinism is a sinking ship, it is only a matter of time before it sinks for good. So keep on telling yourself, Mr. Dawkins that it is just everybody else who is confused. Keep sticking your head in the sand, pretending everyone else is wrong and you and your small group of cohorts are right. That attitude seems to be keen these days with a few individuals over in Afghanistan.
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1.0 out of 5 stars Imaginative Speculation Plus Computer Games, February 8, 2000
By a biologist/geologist (Chicago, IL) - See all my reviews
Dawkins is a master of imaginative storytelling. He also resorts to computer simulation to ostensibly show how living structures could arise from less complex parts. However, his computer-made structures bear only a superficial resemblance, at best, to actual living things, and are orders of magnitude less complex than even the simplest of living things. Conclusion: Molecules-to-man evolution remains, at best, unproven. -
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Watchtower admits false prophesy in Court of Law!
by digderidoo ina false prophesy was promulgated?
q. it had to be accepted by jehovah's witnesses?
q. error?
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You can get the whole transcript here:
http://www.lulu.com/content/762879