Posts by Noumenon

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Jehovah's Witnesses withou Hope?

by admiral_palsey in

-under the old covenant animal blood was shed for the forgiveness of sins.

heb 9:19,20 for when every commandment of the law had been declared by moses to all the people, he took the blood of calves and goats, with water and scarlet wool and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people, saying, "this is the blood of the covenant which god commanded you.

heb 13:11 for the bodies of those animals whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest as a sacrifice for sin are burned outside the camp.

Noumenon

An unreasonable and faulty conclusion. Do you dislike JW's so much that you would judge they have no hope at all???

You are taking a far too narrow view, and ignoring plenty of relevant scriptures and the broader scriptural teaching.

It is the redemption value of Christ's death presented to God as a ransom that allows ANYONE to have forgiveness of sins.

His blood is not the new covenant. He said it was the drinking of the Cup which created the New Covenant, which merely symbolises his shed blood which was to be poured out on their behalf. The New Covenant Jesus concluded was for a Kingdom, not for forgiveness of sins. It was with those to be born again of holy spirit to be adopted as heirs, to rule in the heavenly Kingdom. Just because not everyone is in that Covenant doesn't mean they cannot gain the benefit of Christ's having died "..so that EVERYONE exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life."

That means anyone, Jehovah's Witness, adopted as an heir, or not.

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The Idiocy of the Universal Sovreignty Issue

by Black Man in

does anyone else have trouble processing the logic behind the wts issue of universal sovreignty?

why empower satan to make claims and give him the time and circumstances to prove his claims?

why have a bet between 2 people decide the fate of the universe?

Noumenon

Amazing! Look at all the lurking God and bible haters my comments brought out of the woodwork.

Yahweh is so evil, he lets people die and doesn't help us, he is so selfish, he kills women and children, how dare him not set that brat Satan right when we think he should have, the bible contradicts itself, blah blah....oh spare me.

Stop portraying your petty warped moral judgements onto the creator of the universe himself!!!

It's amazing how many on this forum have absolutely no faith in God or the Bible at all, and are just out to condemn and criticise any expression of traditional christianity at all. I'd wager that more than half of contributors to this site, and 90% on this thread, have never been JW's or actively associated with them at all. If they were ex-JW's, then talk about returning to the vomit.

If you've so lost faith in God and anything spiritual, then do something drastic to snap your little black hearts out it. I suggest you get into the darkest occult, learn hypnotism, learn black magic chants and symbols, go to a seance and invite the demons into your life, buy a ouija board and watch the dial move. You'll soon realise to your horror that there is a spirit world, and you'll soon be looking to God again for help. Go on I dare you all, take a trip on the dark side, you know you are just on the border of it anyway. Or are u too chicken! I bet you are. Just content to remain in your smug little deluded world of having written off Jehovah, his Christ, and his inspired word > then do so at your peril.

I know what I believe. Good luck to the rest of the closet atheists and God haters on this thread...you're gonna need all the luck you can get.

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The Idiocy of the Universal Sovreignty Issue

by Black Man in

does anyone else have trouble processing the logic behind the wts issue of universal sovreignty?

why empower satan to make claims and give him the time and circumstances to prove his claims?

why have a bet between 2 people decide the fate of the universe?

Noumenon

I think the issues are real and are there, just as the Society have explained them. They are only saying what the bible reveals. I think to question these fundamental issues is to cast doubt on whether God in fact exists, whether the bible is inspired or not (a story, you say?), whether the Devil is real. Your comments tell me you are struggling with these things also. Perhaps you need to answer those questions for yourself once and for all before you can understand the real issue of why does god allow wickedness.

You are also casting aspersions on God's character, implying that he should have done something about it all long ago. This is a small-minded attitude. How dangerous for someone to think like this, to dare question the Almighty Creator himself, who's ways and thoughts are higher than ours as the heavens are higher than the earth. I'm reminded of the scripture where it says 'who can point their finger at him and ask 'what have you been doing'". This is the slippery slope of foolish pride and rebellion of a dark heart craving independence from God control in any form at all.

It's all about free will, and why we should do things God's way, or just our way. It gets to the core of what life's meaning is all about. Just why does God (assuming you really believe in him!) allow wickedness to exist? Why has he not stepped in until now? There must be reasons and answers to such profound questions, and yes the bible answers them. The Society, while wrong on many things, have got these prime things right, and I think someone is throwing the baby out with the water to question all this.

I have no problem at all with the WBTS's teachings on these things, and in fact instead of knocking them I think these issues they bring to light are part of the few central beliefs they have spot on. Thank you early bible students and JW's for that at least. Thank Jehovah for telling us life's meaning in his holy Word the bible, and for giving us purpose and a hope for the future.

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Stay "in" and help...or get out no matter what the cost?

by onacruse in

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that which is made crooked cannot be made straight.ecclesiastes 1:15 .

you raise a very good question.

Noumenon

"The Watchtower is the Antichrist"

It may be full of dodgy stuff, and might not give Jesus enough credit, but hardly THE antichrist...

...fair go. Keep it in perspective.

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The Bible Code

by m0nk3y in

i was in a book store today and there were a couple of books entitled somthing like "the bible code" .

the idea goes that the bible is written a certain code that when decoded reveals prophcies about things like the twin towers and that kind of thing.

heres a few links to explain more.

Noumenon

The book reveals the end will be in 2006, so you'd better get your act together soon you sinner, haw haw haw....

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Judge: Elders NOT required to report abuse

by Nathan Natas in

http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/main.asp?sectionid=25&subsectionid=377&articleid=83009

judge: elders not required to report abuse .

saturday, june 21, 2003. by andrew wolfe telegraph staff, [email protected].

Noumenon

This puts elders in the same category as any common priest of Christendom. You visit the priest to confess secret sins, and the priest is not required to divulge anything, even the most heinous crimes, just like client-confidentiality a lawyer has with his client. Does this mean the elders and the Organisation is becoming absorbed into Christendom?

How can an elder get around such a moral dilemma? How can they live with their own conscience? If I was an elder I would immediately step down if someone confessed to me they have molested a child and yet I was not supposed to tell the police, and then I would go tell the police.

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What does SOON mean to a JW

by Noumenon in

was reading some early 1990 wt articles relating to the un, and was amused at the expression 'soon' god will and do this and do that etc.

it made me wonder just what does this expression mean to the average jw.

how relative is this word 'soon' and 'shortly'.

Noumenon

Was reading some early 1990 WT articles relating to the UN, and was amused at the expression 'soon' God will and do this and do that etc.

It made me wonder just what does this expression mean to the average JW. How relative is this word 'soon' and 'shortly'. Does soon mean in 1 year, 5 years, 10 years, 20, 30, 40...(u get the picture). At what point does it become a lie or prophetic presumptousness when a religious organisation has said something will happen SOON, or SHORTLY, but that thing doesn't happen....?

The GB would probably dish up some baloney that all the articles they've written over the decades should be considered from Jehovah's viewpoint, ie, 1 day + 1,000 years where they've used the expression 'soon' the system will end, God will 'soon destroy babylon the great', Armageddon will 'shortly' be unleashed, etc etc, .

Meantime they have license to keep psychologically manipulating people into remaining in the Borg out of fear cause SOON the system will end.

Actually, would anyone be interested in researching how many articles up to, say, 1993 (well allow a 10 year gap to qualify as 'soon' to be lenient on them ) where study articles pertaining to the end of the system have said SOON, or SHORTLY, or similar words. I bet there are 100's & 100's.

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A Question for serious Bible Students...

by Jessica Rabbit in

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why were some ancient writings not included in the bible as we know it?

for instance the book of enoch goes into detail of his experience of being taken to heaven and later coming back to earth to share his experience with his sons, and then later died a natural death.

i have read this book and it is full of details that no one back then could have described without our modern science and technology we have today.

Noumenon

Read the blue 'God's word is inspired book'. The one studied at the service meeting sometimes. It explains why the books that make up the bible are accepted as part of the genuinely inspired bible canon and some aren't.

Many apocryphal books are just embellished history's of the wars of the Jews and never bore the mark of inspiration. Just interesting history books. Some books are spurious and the evidence to back them up is not solid enough.

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Underlining the answers in the Watchtower magazines

by JH in

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i found it funny how some people would literally underline just about everything in the watchtower magazine.

the more the magazine was underlined and notes were written, the more a person looked spiritual.. did it ever happen that you didn't read your watchtower magazine, and you underlined just about anything just to look as if you read it?.

Noumenon

I once had to read the Watchtower on the platform at short notice, and before going up I remember desperately zoro'ing out the back in the toilet so no one would notice I hadn't marked it. Pathetic aye.

Some JW's think u may not make it thru Armageddon if you do not mark up all your publications.

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Di STRICT ASS embly

by Noumenon in

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hi.

can someone tell me what the new releases were, and also whether there were any notable points or 'new light' to come out.... thanks

Noumenon

Hi

Can someone tell me what the new releases were, and also whether there were any notable points or 'new light' to come out...

Thanks