Jesika, that is so great, I have a little boy too he is 5 and soooo protective of his mum, I fell over today and he came running over, "are you OK mum? Here I'll help you up." So cute, love those boys.
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My 9yr old son was ready to KICK SOME ASS tonite in my defence........
by Jesika ini thought this was just toooooooooo cute, i have to share.
we were leaving a birthday party (my step-nephew turned 3 today).
i stopped by the beer store to pick up a 12 pack for my boyfriend.
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New 2 board; I would like to introduce myself!
by NubianIsMe inhi i'm marilyn!.
i just found this board today via a link from randy at free minds.
yea!
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Hoi, Im Sharon Strezlecki, pleased to meet you.
#Shakes hands#
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An epiphany, and prelude to other thoughts
by onacruse inwell, this is being a remarkable couple of weeks for me; one of those moments i'll remember for the rest of my life.
not to be melodramatic, but i think "epiphany" best describes what i'm experiencing.. a little history: i was born and raised a jw, bethel-bound at 8, baptized at 10. always a book-worm, liked to study math, science, and old wts publications (what a combo lol).
when i wasn't vacation pioneering (as it was called then), i spent my summers in my room, frequently reading for 16 hours at a stretch.
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Proposition
#1: We individually exist alone and isolated from all beings in this universe.
Purport: We have no other way than to determine all things for ourselves within ourselves.
#2 everything we know is nothing more than someone elses interpretation.
Purport: Everything we know is basically untruth.
Craig, can you please explain again how the above relates to morals. To me it means that morally we can do no moral wrong as long as we are following our self determination and take into consideration the perspective of others. Is this what you mean?
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An epiphany, and prelude to other thoughts
by onacruse inwell, this is being a remarkable couple of weeks for me; one of those moments i'll remember for the rest of my life.
not to be melodramatic, but i think "epiphany" best describes what i'm experiencing.. a little history: i was born and raised a jw, bethel-bound at 8, baptized at 10. always a book-worm, liked to study math, science, and old wts publications (what a combo lol).
when i wasn't vacation pioneering (as it was called then), i spent my summers in my room, frequently reading for 16 hours at a stretch.
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Must agree with you Craig, I too have slowly been realising this same epiphany. Morals are self determined by what we intuitively accept as being "RIGHT". Our morals come from the morals of others around us, from what we have been taught. If society in general condems something (ethics) then we are more likely to take a moral stance against that thing (murder).
So when we 'Lose our religion' we need to develop a whole new moral code, since the former one can no longer stand up to our new reality.
Its a long slow process developing new morals isn't it. I have found it often challenging and confusing. I have always felt I had higher moral standards than my husband, but now that I have let go of my JW morals and allowed myself to be me, I find we are on a similar plane. In fact I believe this has happened because it allows a more harmonious relationship. So I have determined my morals now in order to fit in with my social environment.
Great thought provoking thread Craig! Satisfying. lol.
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Sometimes I feel ashamed of what I fell for!
by be wise inhi everyone, i want to let you know that sometimes i feel ashamed of what i fell for regarding the jws.
its so clear now sometimes i actually feel embarrassed.
when i listen to recordings of assemblys - you know when they really get off on one, you cant help but see and feel the underlying cult propagated information thats being taught.
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Yep I feel the same way be wise. Like a big silly doodoo head!
What about the Noahs ark story, I TOTALLY believed it. Now I think about all the bugs and insects and spiders etc. That Ark would have been literally crawling with them plus all the species of birds, let alone the lizards and snakes and mammals and marsupials etc etc. Rediculous!
I even asked a witness about this when I was still in and they said,"oh No, the animals they took had the genes for every other animal and after they came out of the ark the new species developed." HELLO????? Isn't that evolution? and so they evolved within a few hundred years of coming off the Ark! Yeah right. OMG I cant believed I swallowed that tripe!
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An epiphany, and prelude to other thoughts
by onacruse inwell, this is being a remarkable couple of weeks for me; one of those moments i'll remember for the rest of my life.
not to be melodramatic, but i think "epiphany" best describes what i'm experiencing.. a little history: i was born and raised a jw, bethel-bound at 8, baptized at 10. always a book-worm, liked to study math, science, and old wts publications (what a combo lol).
when i wasn't vacation pioneering (as it was called then), i spent my summers in my room, frequently reading for 16 hours at a stretch.
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Hi again Craig,
Not sure if you have posted a follow up to this thread but here are my thoughts and extension of your thoughts so far.
We determine our own reality based on what we have been told or experienced in our lives to date. The things we have been told, the abstract concepts, are in fact untruths due to them being someone elses take on what someone else has told them, they can not experience what we feel, hear, see, smell etc and so when we are told "That feeling is love" We accept it, whether it is so or not. (Interestingly I used to feel incredible fear when going on Carnival rides to the point of tears, one day I looked around me and saw most other people were laughing, I said to myself "Is this feeling in fact excitement and not fear?" I decided it was, and now I can laugh like everypone else.)
So we can change our reality by deciding it is other than our current perception of it. Thus the success of motivational therapists like Anthony Robbins, who merely reprogrammes people to change their lives. They are given concepts, beliefs, "words", which create a different reality for themselves. Our perception IS our reality.
How am I going? Or am I completely off track?
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An epiphany, and prelude to other thoughts
by onacruse inwell, this is being a remarkable couple of weeks for me; one of those moments i'll remember for the rest of my life.
not to be melodramatic, but i think "epiphany" best describes what i'm experiencing.. a little history: i was born and raised a jw, bethel-bound at 8, baptized at 10. always a book-worm, liked to study math, science, and old wts publications (what a combo lol).
when i wasn't vacation pioneering (as it was called then), i spent my summers in my room, frequently reading for 16 hours at a stretch.
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Hi Craig, Thanks for your great response, I have not had enough time to reply until now.
Common properties, class properties, and the specific signs of categories will not exist for animals. Each object will exist in and by itself, and all its properties will be the specific properties of it alone.
As in my proposition #2 example of the human baby, the animal perceives the objects it encounters in the universe around it as "this is," not as "this means this." There is therefore no emotion "attached" by an animal to an external stimulus. Every moment exists only for that moment, every object only for that object. That's how an animal "knows" the universe. For an animal there is therefore no "regret," "hope," "I don't want to die before my time," "how can I live forever?" because those are non-real, symbolic, abstract concepts.
Animals and humans begin to diverge when those abstractions of meaning-attached-to-symbol begin. But, as I say above, the association of meaning with symbol is "provided" to humans by other humans, even in the very words we use ("words" which in and of themselves have no reality, and are merely "symbols.") And, getting back to the existentialism of proposition #1, even those "meanings/words" don't remotely allow us to touch each other's "souls" (or whatever term might be better). This "passing of meaning" from one human generation to the next is not substantially too dissimilar to "instinct."
Thus, for all that we like to think we as humans are far advanced over animals, we're actually not all that different, because most of our life boils down to "isolation" and "conditioned response."
The WTS just happens to be exceptionally good at conditioning responses, rather like an animal trainer. It demeans our human potential (albeit a potential rarely exercised).
blackout, perhaps this gives us a starting point?
Craig
Brilliant I know know exactly where you are coming from and will go back and read your posts again and reply.
I just love it how animals live "In the moment", I think we can learn a lot from animals. I have horses myself, they are so peacefull, proud and strong.
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God, where are you?
by onacruse ini haven't seen you posting here lately, and i just wondered if everything is ok?.
i've always considered you my best friend.
but lately i've been thinking about a lot of things, and it occurred to me: you've never said one word to me in my entire life, even though i've sent you thousands of messages; not exactly what friends do to each other.
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What is worse is when the imaginary friends do talk back. Are they still imaginary then or are you just a nutter? Who are crazier? Those with the mute imaginary friends or those with the chatterbox imaginary friends?
Hey Donkey, Ive often thought about that one, how do we really know who is crazy and who is connected to god? lol
Here is a song by REM, Craig, one of my favourites:
Losing My Religion Life is bigger
It's bigger than you
And you are not me
The lengths that I will go to
The distance in your eyes
Oh no I've said too much
I set it up
That's me in the corner
That's me in the spotlight
Losing my religion
Trying to keep up with you
And I don't know if I can do it
Oh no I've said too much
I haven't said enough
I thought that I heard you laughing
I thought that I heard you sing
I think I thought I saw you try
Every whisper
Of every waking hour I'm
Choosing my confessions
Trying to keep an eye on you
Like a hurt lost and blinded fool
Oh no I've said too much
I set it up
Consider this
The hint of the century
Consider this
The slip that brought me
To my knees failed
What if all these fantasies
Come flailing around
Now I've said too much
I thought that I heard you laughing
I thought that I heard you sing
I think I thought I saw you try
But that was just a dream
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top ten worst pick-up lines
by greven inthe top ten worst opening lines of all time:.
#10 - you look like a hooker i knew in phoenix.. #9 - you remind me of my dead ex-girlfriend.. #8 - if you were a booger i'd pick you first.. #7 - you look just like my mama.
i love my mama.. #6 - gross!
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For me the best pick up is a guy who is a good dancer dancing with me and then electric eye contact.
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BE CAREFUL (Women On This Forum)
by RAYZORBLADE inhey folks, not to send chills through anyones spine, but it has come to my attention, there was a former member to this forum that seems to be causing some members (women) some problems and unnecessary grief.
(on-line stalking)
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/46927/662959/post.ashx#662959
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Hi Ray! HeHeHe
R U sure its not you?
LOL