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  KK

  I appreciate what you are saying which is why smaller class sizes from year one would make a difference. One on one by the time a child is being excluded is more often than not too late.

  Paul.

  I don't believe that we can achieve a perfect, crime free society and I wouldn't want one. Is that a glass half empty or a move away from the Judeo/Christian/Enlightenment/new Labour belief that things can only get better?

  Ellie

  So national service comes with compulsory but temporary sterilisation? And if they refuse to behave, prison? More prison may provide more jobs I guess.

  I don't think society is perfect, but I don't think punitive measures (which is what we are veering towards) is the appropriate solution. But we are free to disagree.
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  Ellie

  I don't think there's anything wrong with claiming child benefit, but nor am I judging others that claim other forms of social security benefit. No one is forcing you to take money from the state to support your children and I know of families that feel that if they don't need the child benefit they shouldn't draw it. It's their choice and I'm sure they wouldn't judge you for drawing it. I know some teenage mothers and am well aware of how the system can be worked but see a minority exploiting it (babies for council houses) but I also see what depressing conditions they live in and how stressed and unhappy they are. Maybe the council homes on offer in Wales are palatial, but here they are high rise or sink estates and not even a Burberry cap can compensate. Better education, not national service, would have made a big difference to them. Better funding of teachers like KK, smaller class sizes and better school buildings.

  Paul

  Yobs? Have you never seen squaddies out to play? The army is not renowned for it's fine manners and etiquette in the lower ranks, so would National Service produce these fine upstanding citizens that we are all fine examples of? Remind me of the unemployment rate? Is it a vast swathe of the population that we are supporting? Having this "privileged" class of lay abouts is indicative of how rich we are, just as the vast sums we splash out of football players is. We will continue to have a minority that exploits the tax paying population until such a time as our debt burden crashes on us all and we have to live hand-to-mouth as Derek describes.
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  scotsman

  Not even child benefit? I doff my hat to you.
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  Paul

  No, I don't think we have a yob culture, I think we have a new target to blame and I don't have the answer for social injustice.

  Ellie

  No, geriatric. Is that your daughter in your pic? (young motherhood is deemed a chav quality in some quarters)

  FunkyDerek

  "these people"? Come come, you're normally above this. Before chavs, we had casuals, mods, punks, hippies, teddy boys, blacks, gypsies and the Irish that needed fixed.
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  Ellie

  Are you really 25? You sound geriatric!
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  scotsman

  You mean the farmer with the raucous pigs? ASBO smashbo, another New Labour sticking plaster.
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  what would national service have given you Ellie?
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  scotsman

  Maybe we should send the chavs to Deep Cut where they can get bullied and shot kill themselves.

  Why is it that chavs need national service to learn discipline and respect but other teenagers don't? What is it those other adolescents are getting?
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  Paul

  There is evidence of some middle class aping the chavs, hence the rise of Estuary English. My time at uni here was while chav culture was on the rise. The uni attracts a ridiculously large proportion of upper middle class kids (yes, friends of Prince William were in my year) and in first year they were still all Yahs, long scarves, ethnic beads, flicky hair and moth eaten jumpers -shabby chic that you have to be rich to get away with. By 4th year however there was a notable difference in the first year intake with a lot of fake tan, pram-face (tight blonde pony tails) and high street fashion on the kids from Marlborough, Cheltenham Ladies and Ampleforth.

  Chavitis seems infectious.
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  scotsman

  taken from chavworld.co.uk

  What is a Chav?

  'chav' (slang) - a young person, often without a high level of education, who follows a particular fashion; Chavs usually wear designer labels including the chav favourite 'Burberry', and if they’re girls, very short skirts, large hoop earrings and stilettos. Chavs see branded baseball caps as a status symbol and wear them at every opportunity. Normally found hanging around shopping centres. Also known as Townies, Kevs, Hood Rats, Charvers, Steeks, Stigs, Bazzas, Yarcos, Ratboys, Chorer, Skangers, Scutters, Janners, Kappa Slappers, Scallies, and Spides. Also known as Neds in Scotland, knackers & skangers in Ireland, and Guidos in the USA