Posts by confusedandalone

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Confusedandalone is in need of a name change

by confusedandalone in

hey everyone, i want to apologize for not rtesponding to a number of messages i recieved over the last month or so.

i took a break as suggested by someone else to try and sort things out and clear my head.

my wife has been reading alot on here and kept me updated on all the fun that has been going on!.

confusedandalone

DW I am not sure if I believe in a Diety or not, ultimately I do not even think it matters much if there is one. He obviously has not outlined anything he specifically wants anyone to do so if there is one - he probably got the ball rolling and left. I just cant see how it is necessary to even care. If someone wants you to do something they make that perfectly clear... that hasn't been done so it makes me realize it probably isn't even important.

Just two days ago I got 4 voice messages from my father and brother trying to entrap me into saying on speakerphone that I wrote the letter so they can have two witnesses. I have all these crazy text messages as well. I am thinking of posting them once I can alter the voices so people can hear how maniacal they are...

My father summed up the insanity they have perfeectly, he says to me, "I don't care about what you want to do or think but I will not allow your thoughts cause me to miss out on paradise" then he pounds the table. The deal is the lives of many religious zealots are ssubpar and they see no way to really achieve or be the best they can be. SO they hold on to this dream of a future paradise in earth or heaven wher they are a somebody - instead of just enjoying what they have or can be now. It is freaking ridiculous, yet I fully understand why they are that way.

nonjwspouse I want to change my name to "cantrelate" LOL.

My goal is to get to the point in life when it feels like I was never some confused bible thumping lunatic. I want to see JW's and think wow that is nuts and keep on moving. I dont want to talk to them I dont want to challenge them just see them and move. When people discuss religion I will have no desire to even engage in the useless bantor. I just can't relate to what they are doing or thinking...

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Confusedandalone is in need of a name change

by confusedandalone in

hey everyone, i want to apologize for not rtesponding to a number of messages i recieved over the last month or so.

i took a break as suggested by someone else to try and sort things out and clear my head.

my wife has been reading alot on here and kept me updated on all the fun that has been going on!.

confusedandalone

Hey everyone, I want to apologize for not rtesponding to a number of messages I recieved over the last month or so. I took a break as suggested by someone else to try and sort things out and clear my head. My wife has been reading alot on here and kept me updated on all the fun that has been going on!

Anyway, it has been over a full month since I posted and life has been nutty yet so so so rewarding. I still have not been disfellowshipped and my letter of disassociation has still not been accepted be cause I did not sign it... of course I could just go ahead and sign it and end all of this - but me bowing to another command of theirs would be me giving back control to this group and I refuse to do so. My family however (Mother / Father / Brother) have become a pain in my ass in that everyday they call me or email me trying to literally trap me into admitting that I wrote this letter. They are going on facebook and trying to find ways to incriminate me as well. Ultimately they are doing all they can to make sure I am disfellowwshipped. Why you ask... because their asses aare on the line.

See, my holy righteous brother jumped the gun and told people I was an apostate, my mother and father in an attempt to garner sympathy for themselves did the same. Here we are months later and no annoucement has been made and people are asking them what happened and they are looking like idiots.

The brothers in my congregation have not called once or stopped by or sent em a text message, yet they lie to my father and tell him I refuse to contact them or return their calls. Ultimately I think they are afraid to face me. The only correspondence I ave recieved was a photocopy of the letter I sent with a sticky in it that says please sign here (I SHIT YOU NOT). I have seen 3 of them individually at grocery stores, ACE hardware and Applebees parking lot and they act as if nothing has ever happened and they will see me at the meeting sunday. Ridiculous

Ultimately I am out of this sham and I am glad. I ahve benefitted greatly from a number of posters here but for anyone in my situation or similar who could care less about a fade and just wants to move on just do it and dont look back. Deal with the consequences if you can and start living for you and your kids. In this period I contacted a grrrrrrrrrrrreat pooster here MYTHREESONS. He had looks of good advice and honestly seeing him and his family move forward and just live like normal people has helped my family enormously! We had our dauughters first Birthday bash and it was intense and fun and no one asked me to cutoff anyones head!

Also, I have taken my bible and chucked it in the refuse bin... I spent a couple weeks reading the bible without the rose colored glasses of a needy confused child and came to the obvious realization that if there is a GOD he has nothing to do with this book or he is a masochist and an ego-maniac.

Of course, by the time I got into the 5 chapter of Genesis I was already convinced of myu findings but I pressed on. Then I got to Dueteronomy 21 and read over and over the command to hit your kids in the heads with rocks and kill them. As a parent there is no way that I could even think of that. WHy would god? What is wrong with these people. It just seems the only reason tto believe the bible is because it lets you join the masses who want to follow a fairy tale that promises their lives will be better. We all have challenges and have to settle with our lot in lives. We can improve them to a degree but ultimately we all know we will die. We don't like that idea so we believe a fairy tale that promises that although now is bad later will be great!!! Just follow arbitrary rules and you will get a divine reward beyond your wildest dreams. I dont want to offend anyone so I guess I will stop my rant now.

Lastly Simon I do not feel that my screen name fits any longger and I would like to change it. Is that possible or am i SOOL?

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Searching for Watchtower about working for / with disfellowshipped person

by confusedandalone in

evening,.

i wanted to know if anyone knows which watchtower articles speak about working with or for a disfellowshipped person.

it would appear that there is now a huge witch hunt regarding this because of my recent situation.

confusedandalone

FOUND IT

*** w81 9/15 pp. 23-24 Disfellowshiping—How to View It ***

COOPERATING WITH THE CONGREGATION

17 Though Christians enjoy spiritual fellowship when they discuss or study the Bible with their brothers or interested persons, they would not want to have such fellowship with an expelled sinner (or one who has renounced the faith and beliefs of Jehovah’s Witnesses, disassociating himself). The expelled person has been ‘rejected,’ being “self-condemned” because of “sinning,” and those in the congregation both accept God’s judgment and uphold it. Disfellowshiping, however, implies more than ceasing to have spiritual fellowship.—Titus 3:10, 11.

18 Paul wrote: “Quit mixing in company . . . , not even eating with such a man.” (1 Cor. 5:11) A meal is a time of relaxation and socializing. Hence, the Bible here rules out social fellowship, too, such as joining an expelled person in a picnic or party, ball game, trip to the beach or theater, or sitting down to a meal with him. (The special problems involving a relative who has been disfellowshiped are considered in the following article.)

19 Sometimes a Christian might feel under considerable pressure to ignore this Bible advice. His own emotions may create the pressure, or it may be brought to bear on him by acquaintances. For instance, one brother was pressured to officiate at the marriage of two disfellowshiped persons. Could that service be rationalized as a mere kindness? One could feel that way. But why were his services wanted, rather than those of the town mayor or other state marrying agent? Was it not because of his standing as a minister of God and his ability to offer marriage counsel from God’s Word? To give in to such pressure would involve him in fellowshiping with the couple, persons who had been expelled from the congregation for their ungodly way.—1 Cor. 5:13.

20 Other problems arise in connection with business or employment. What if you were employed by a man who now was expelled by the congregation, or you employed a person to whom that happened? What then? If you were contractually or financially obliged to continue the business relationship for the present, you certainly would now have a different attitude toward the disfellowshiped individual. Discussion of business matters with him or contact on the job might be necessary, but spiritual discussions and social fellowship would be things of the past. In that way you could demonstrate your obedience to God and have a protective barrier for yourself. Also, this might impress on him how much his sin has cost him in various ways.—2 Cor. 6:14, 17.

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Searching for Watchtower about working for / with disfellowshipped person

by confusedandalone in

evening,.

i wanted to know if anyone knows which watchtower articles speak about working with or for a disfellowshipped person.

it would appear that there is now a huge witch hunt regarding this because of my recent situation.

confusedandalone

Evening,

I wanted to know if anyone knows which watchtower articles speak about working with or for a disfellowshipped person. It would appear that there is now a huge witch hunt regarding this because of my recent situation. I do not care if they leave but I am sending some info to my lawyer and I would like to include any pertinent material that is published regarding this.

Of course, I would look for myself but I have burned all my literature and deleted the WTLib.

If anyone oculd help in this regard please let me know.

Thank You

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Where in the Bible does it talk about an earthly Paradise as the JW's teach, and why only the JW's will be there?

by slam in

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friends

confusedandalone

I read a book not to long ago that said the jews had no concept of an afterlife in heaven... the thought didnt come about till the time of Daniel.

Something about their afterlife being their children and their legacy. So I can't remember too much right now but i will look it up.

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My Mom Isn't Very Motivated With The "Truth" Lately And Wonders If She Recieved Anything From The Demons

by minimus in

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friends

what do ya think of that?

?.

confusedandalone

Nathan Natas - ROFL

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My Mom Isn't Very Motivated With The "Truth" Lately And Wonders If She Recieved Anything From The Demons

by minimus in

jw
friends

what do ya think of that?

?.

confusedandalone

Yeah My mom has done this countless times. She would gather together anything that was given to her by a worldly person or anything that was given to her by work etc... the newer JDubs are not hip to this kind of thinking. Your MOM is pre-90's witness isnt she.

Want to freak her out... tell her you heard from a BETHELITE that one person he knew actually had an item in the wall of the home he was renting and that the demons decided not attack at first to confuse her and not know it was there.

Watch your mom get the hammer and go to town.

Alternately tell her that if there is an item and she cant find it and she cant pray it away that she gets into the new system because it wont be her fault

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The Bible and it's promise of Heaven and various other things

by confusedandalone in

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friends

now in no way am i trying to discredit anyones beliefs or make fun, but once you get to heaven what is the plan once you get there.. of course, we always overlay extremely physical things upon the experience of heaven... milk and honey... ruiling over the earth etc... truthful the whole idea sounds so boring / mundane /monotonous.

spending all of eternity serving god by carry messages here and there?.

watching humans... i guess spending time with family that are also there and reminiscing.

confusedandalone

" Except that is not really accurate. There was acknowledgement of the Most High God before Abraham, and certainly before Israel. But Abraham had the faith to hear and to obey, and a covenant was made with him, that carried to his descendants... even though the covenant now is for anyone.

But there are more than just christians (brothers of Christ) in the Kingdom. There are those who may not know Christ, but are known BY Him, because of what they do. Their names are written in his book of life. Those who did good to even the least of his brothers. All of Israel. "

Maybe I should not have said Abraham and just "those desert dwellers".

In regards to this brothers of Christ that are from china and the Native Americans I have no idea what bible passage states this.

However if this is true the wicked spirit fearing and worshiping Africans were Christs brothers... If that is the case then I think everyone is good regardless of whom / what they worship. This is great news

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The Bible and it's promise of Heaven and various other things

by confusedandalone in

jw
friends

now in no way am i trying to discredit anyones beliefs or make fun, but once you get to heaven what is the plan once you get there.. of course, we always overlay extremely physical things upon the experience of heaven... milk and honey... ruiling over the earth etc... truthful the whole idea sounds so boring / mundane /monotonous.

spending all of eternity serving god by carry messages here and there?.

watching humans... i guess spending time with family that are also there and reminiscing.

confusedandalone

"That is the problem with these things, you start with a belief, then try to fit the facts around the beliefs, discarding some and coming up with ridiculous explanations for the rest. "

Exactly.... In the process of me waking up I realized that just billions of people were created for nothing simply because GOD chose to give Abraham the goods. All those SUb-Saharan and east and west Africans ... the Asians.... the aborigines ... the native americans... etc... but for some reason this impartial god that requires all men to be saved only gave the TRUFF to the Jews. hmmm

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The Bible and it's promise of Heaven and various other things

by confusedandalone in

jw
friends

now in no way am i trying to discredit anyones beliefs or make fun, but once you get to heaven what is the plan once you get there.. of course, we always overlay extremely physical things upon the experience of heaven... milk and honey... ruiling over the earth etc... truthful the whole idea sounds so boring / mundane /monotonous.

spending all of eternity serving god by carry messages here and there?.

watching humans... i guess spending time with family that are also there and reminiscing.

confusedandalone

SO why is the bible more important and believable then other books in regards to thrological matters?

Why did he ignore so many other peopel for so long