Posts by Monsieur

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cantleave had a valid opinion. Is God like a pencil-pointless?

by KateWild in

i don't know?

what do you think?.

kate xx.

Monsieur

Sorry Monseuir, but I'm not playing along with your, "I want to redefine 'God' to mean 'science" game: it's a vapid and intellectually-dishonest approach which tries to move the pieces and relies on your silly obsfucation.... That's precisely WHY Ishmael just asked you to define God: he's likely seen your tactic before, too.

adamah,

how am i 'redefining' what God is? please DO explain?

I stated that God is power, justice, wisdom, and above all else, love.

Interestingly, the Bible says the EXACT same thing. I have not redefined anything my friend.

The only thing I have done, is apply LOGIC to the understanding of what God is. You , adamah, argue against a literal God ( i do the same thing by the way). But you cannot argue against the FACT that power, justice, wisdom and love do exist, and are very real.

Ismael,

God is a SYMBOL, a representation, nothing else.

A symbol's purpose is to conjure a 'picture' in your mind, a 'picture' that helps you to understand an idea or a concept.

The symbol for 'Poison' for example (skeleton skull) tells you many things, such as 'step away' or ' do not touch', or 'dangerous'.

You can understand all these things with one simple symbol.

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cantleave had a valid opinion. Is God like a pencil-pointless?

by KateWild in

i don't know?

what do you think?.

kate xx.

Monsieur

But even if another valid approach was used to answer the question, it still would only constitute a "benefits-based" (telelogical) argument, which ultimately doesn't answer the underlying question: does God exist or not? Some people like to believe in things that actually do EXIST, regardless of how it makes us feel!

kate,

see what adamah wrote? case in point. When you attempt to make 'God' what he isnt' (a literal person) it gets very confusing.

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cantleave had a valid opinion. Is God like a pencil-pointless?

by KateWild in

i don't know?

what do you think?.

kate xx.

Monsieur

Hi Kate,

it is easy to discard 'God' or label God as pointless altogether when one doesn't fully understand what God really is.

If you view God as a literal person, like you or me, literally sitting on a throne in the heavens, then yes, he is very much pointless. Why would an all powerful God have to sit on a throne being catered to by millions and millions of angels?

conviniently, this is a God that you cannot (or not suppose) to see. this is a big clue as to what God really is.

God is a symbol, a representation of something else. What is it suppose to represent? The Bible answers the question. God is justice, power, wisdom, and above all else, love.

God is also perfect, exact, accurate, unfailing, good. 'God' is even given a name, Yahweh or Jehovah, meaning 'I can be ANYTHING I need to be'.

As humans, we are quick to 'personify' and humanize things that are NOT human or people, we do it with our cats and dogs, even unliving things like our car and house. We've done the same with 'God', and its created a ton of confusion.

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The New Diary of Winston Smith

by WinstonSmith in

we had to go off grid for a time, time and half a time as we thought we had been outed.

fortunately it was a false alarm, but it was a stressful time.

i asked for my original diary thread to be deleted in case there could be anything on there to identlfy mrs smith and i. i am always very careful when posting, and am sure there was nothing on there, but felt it best to have it removed in order to be as cautious as a dove.

Monsieur

Winston

i think what your mother was really asking you was 'why do you want me to stop being your mother?!!'

as you can clearly see, she couldn't care less what you believe in and what you don't, hence her recommendation regarding just becoming inactive.

winston, in the end, by attempting to 'discard' the made up 'rules' set by the wt, you are hurting your mom by actually following one of the worst 'rules', the turning in a letter of DA. there is nothing in the Bible about doing this either.

anyways, in a few years no one will care that you turned in a DA or not and no, no one will think of Winston as a JW if you're gone long enough, it's true. no one except your mother. it sounds like you care about her and she wont be around forever, i'd give in for her. just my op.

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Did Cedars manipulate Lee into having a thread closed?

by cedars in

i will happily answer this question if there can be some guarantees this thread won't be deleted..

Monsieur

simon -

Ultimately, here you are - you started a topic called "Did Cedars manipulate Lee into having a thread closed?". It is your obsession with what you think others think of you. That's called ego.

cedars,

agree completely with simon, you need to quit it with the self grandeur. were you that guy that would go around double checking others' field service report for 'accuracy'?

get a life cedars.

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Do you believe in a literal Christ?

by Monsieur in

jw
friends

do you believe in a literal christ?.

someone that walked the earth and did the things the bible states he did?

(miracles, etc.).

Monsieur

Do you believe in a literal Christ?

Someone that walked the earth and did the things the Bible states he did? (miracles, etc.)

Some here have aluded to 'historical evidence' as being the basis of their belief. Where can one go to see this evidence?

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Conjuring Uo Our Own Gods

by startingover in

jw
friends

found this interesting article in the ny times.

i had never heard of a tulpa before.

for those of us that don't buy into certain posters claims, this may be an explanation.. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/15/opinion/luhrmann-conjuring-up-our-own-gods.html?_r=0.

Monsieur

My Lord speaks the same message to all of His Body... teaching and speaking to them the same things. Evne though they have never met in person. Even though they do not even live in the same countries. Even though they might not have lived in the same time, for that matter. Yet we hear the SAME things from Him. One time that does come to mind is having heard something from my Lord... something new... and a sister in Christ phoned me at some point that day to tell me what she had received from Him, and it was the same as He had told me. That has happened too often to be dismissed.

tec,

just for conversation's sake, is it possible to 'hear' the same message from apparentely two different originating sources? or must the message come from one source alone?

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Conjuring Uo Our Own Gods

by startingover in

jw
friends

found this interesting article in the ny times.

i had never heard of a tulpa before.

for those of us that don't buy into certain posters claims, this may be an explanation.. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/15/opinion/luhrmann-conjuring-up-our-own-gods.html?_r=0.

Monsieur

God and science as one.

If science can explain 'God', and 'God' can explain science, are they not the same thing??

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Theists, why does God allow suffering..

by The Quiet One in

..specifically, the suffering of animals.

you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.

i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.

Monsieur

...Plus, why is God mad at everybody because of 2 people...would he be angry with us if we had a beef with an neighbor but also beefed with the entire family...

legacy ,

your very logical question has a very logical answer as well. the entire 'Garden of Eden' account is symbolic, it didnt actually happen (there is no proof it did.)

the entire account is like a picture that is designed to help you comprehend a very profound 'truth', or fact. (hence the image heavy description of what 'happened' in that 'garden').

what does it symbolize? a very simple fact. man (collectively) is very lost. There is too much hatred and indifference toward one another. There is a 'fiery sword', an obstacle, between man and 'God' (Perfection and Good).

If you take the garden of eden account as literal, you can blame God, the Devil, Adam or Eve, none of which makes sense as doing this brings up an interminable list of why's.

But taken as a symbol, we quickly understand that man collectively is at fault, and thus man alone can rectify this 'evil'.

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The relationship between the Father and Son. What's your opinion?

by DATA-DOG in

i am curious about this.

ever since i realized that there is no proof that jesus=michael the archangel, i wondered about who jesus was.

that's how i think of the father and the son, or the word.

Monsieur

Data dog

You are still commiting the mistake of personifying 'God'.

This is why your comprehension of the relationship between Father and Son is so convoluted.

In attempting to decipher this relationship in terms of actual, real, and humanly physical experiences (in spite of your assertion that youo do it 'spiritually') your mind loses its logical thread and you are left right where you began, square one.

In another one of your threads I offered that 'God' is a symbol, not an ACTUAL person sitting on a throne in heaven.

Decipher the meaning of the symbol that is 'God', and your questions are thoroughly and satisfyingly answered. Once you do this, once you comprehend the true and absolute meaning of 'God' you will begin to 'see with the spiritual eyes'.

Here is a tip when it comes to 'understanding' the knowledge of God , if something isn't real and provable, then it must be symbolic of something that IS.