quote - A Christian has to accept and honor both the Father and his Son, Jesus Christ, equally within the new Christian concept. - end quote
“This is eternal life: to know you, the only
true God, and Jesus Christ whom you sent”
johnamos
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Cite one scripture in the N.T. that chargers Christians to be witnesses of / for Jehovah.....Not one.using K.I ./ WTB&TS
by smiddy3 ini think the wtb&ts publication titled "the kingdom interlinear of the christian greek scriptures" speaks for itself.. the word for word translation of the greek into english.. that publication does not even contain the name or word jehovah either in hebrew letters or greek letters anywhere in the word for word texts.. their is not one scripture in the n.t.
where christians ,followers of jesus christ are instructed to be witnesses of jehovah ,however there are something like twenty scriptures that explicitly state followers of jesus christ are to be witnesses of, for, and about jesus...
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Cite one scripture in the N.T. that chargers Christians to be witnesses of / for Jehovah.....Not one.using K.I ./ WTB&TS
by smiddy3 ini think the wtb&ts publication titled "the kingdom interlinear of the christian greek scriptures" speaks for itself.. the word for word translation of the greek into english.. that publication does not even contain the name or word jehovah either in hebrew letters or greek letters anywhere in the word for word texts.. their is not one scripture in the n.t.
where christians ,followers of jesus christ are instructed to be witnesses of jehovah ,however there are something like twenty scriptures that explicitly state followers of jesus christ are to be witnesses of, for, and about jesus...
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Quote - Your inferring they must have used Gods personal name because they quoted an OT scripture is just interpretation on your part – End quote
smiddy, I don’t know if you saw what I said to blondie but here it is again:
[just as you can tell me that I can't say for certain that the originals and those that followed up until the oldest now on hand did have the DN there, I can tell you that you can't say for certain that it was not there.]
So you are saying that my inferring that God’s personal name was used when they quoted from the OT is just interpretation on my part. Okay, so can you say for certain that the DN was not written at all in the originals? If you say it was not written, then is that speculation on your part as well?
Quote -. We have the words of Jesus written down, as we do with the Apostles and the Disciples and not one of them is recorded as uttering the personal name of God as Jehovah. - End quote
Again, you are saying based on the copies on hand that the name is not recorded as being said but can you say for certain that the DN was not written at all in the originals?
When you say we have the words of Jesus written down that would included his words saying:
"The works I do in my Father’s name"
“I’ve made your name known to them and will continue to make it known"
“I have revealed your name to the people you gave me from this world.”
“This is eternal life: to know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you sent”
Based on that, do you find it reasonable that when Jesus and his apostles did quote from the Hebrew Scriptures that they would have said the name?
If you do not believe they used the name, then can you tell me what reason they would have had to refrain from using it?
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Cite one scripture in the N.T. that chargers Christians to be witnesses of / for Jehovah.....Not one.using K.I ./ WTB&TS
by smiddy3 ini think the wtb&ts publication titled "the kingdom interlinear of the christian greek scriptures" speaks for itself.. the word for word translation of the greek into english.. that publication does not even contain the name or word jehovah either in hebrew letters or greek letters anywhere in the word for word texts.. their is not one scripture in the n.t.
where christians ,followers of jesus christ are instructed to be witnesses of jehovah ,however there are something like twenty scriptures that explicitly state followers of jesus christ are to be witnesses of, for, and about jesus...
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Atlantis,
Why would you think that?
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Cite one scripture in the N.T. that chargers Christians to be witnesses of / for Jehovah.....Not one.using K.I ./ WTB&TS
by smiddy3 ini think the wtb&ts publication titled "the kingdom interlinear of the christian greek scriptures" speaks for itself.. the word for word translation of the greek into english.. that publication does not even contain the name or word jehovah either in hebrew letters or greek letters anywhere in the word for word texts.. their is not one scripture in the n.t.
where christians ,followers of jesus christ are instructed to be witnesses of jehovah ,however there are something like twenty scriptures that explicitly state followers of jesus christ are to be witnesses of, for, and about jesus...
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quote - Muslims believe that Jesus was a real person that lived, does that make them 'Christians' - end quote
You have it backwards, believing that Jesus was a real person does not make you a Christian, but identifying yourself as an Christian is saying that you believe/follow Jesus.
JW's/WTS state that they are Christian:
https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/are-jehovahs-witnesses-christians/
Anyway, that is all I will say about this. That's not what this thread is about but I will end by agreeing with you 100% on what you said here:
quote - One prime example is at the door, they ask you to examine your religion while they will run for the hills if you ask them the same of their own so called 'religion'. - end quote
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Cite one scripture in the N.T. that chargers Christians to be witnesses of / for Jehovah.....Not one.using K.I ./ WTB&TS
by smiddy3 ini think the wtb&ts publication titled "the kingdom interlinear of the christian greek scriptures" speaks for itself.. the word for word translation of the greek into english.. that publication does not even contain the name or word jehovah either in hebrew letters or greek letters anywhere in the word for word texts.. their is not one scripture in the n.t.
where christians ,followers of jesus christ are instructed to be witnesses of jehovah ,however there are something like twenty scriptures that explicitly state followers of jesus christ are to be witnesses of, for, and about jesus...
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caria,
I am suggesting in general that anyone/everyone that claims to be an Christian is identifying themselves as believers/followers of Jesus, this would include JW's. The fact that no one you know or people in general don't think JW's are 'Christians' in the traditional sense doesn't change the fact that JW's do regard themselves as Christians and they are so, in as much as any other so-called Christian religion claim to be.
As for what you say about JW's relaying on the GB for salvation, that is true but that doesn't nullify their belief in Jesus. JW's are in the same position today as the Jews were when Jesus said: 7 You hypocrites, Isaiah aptly prophesied about you when he said:+ 8 ‘This people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far removed from me. 9 It is in vain that they keep worshipping me, for they teach commands of men as doctrines.’
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Cite one scripture in the N.T. that chargers Christians to be witnesses of / for Jehovah.....Not one.using K.I ./ WTB&TS
by smiddy3 ini think the wtb&ts publication titled "the kingdom interlinear of the christian greek scriptures" speaks for itself.. the word for word translation of the greek into english.. that publication does not even contain the name or word jehovah either in hebrew letters or greek letters anywhere in the word for word texts.. their is not one scripture in the n.t.
where christians ,followers of jesus christ are instructed to be witnesses of jehovah ,however there are something like twenty scriptures that explicitly state followers of jesus christ are to be witnesses of, for, and about jesus...
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quote - Are you sure you want to use E-Watchman as your source - end quote
In this case YES. I do not agree with all that Robert believes but on that topic I share the same understanding, so I posted the link to his site being that he has already written out what I would have said in support of why I believe the DN was in the original Greek Scriptures, etc.
As far as the WTS using Jehovah vs. Yahweh, that's not relevant to this thread. I am not a defender of the WTS, I was simply replying to smiddy's topic. I happen to believe thou that Jehovah is the more correct way...or should I say Jehoah is as I have pointed out here before.
As far as adding/taking away, is it really adding if you are restoring? The name is found there in the Hebrew Scriptures that are quoted in the Greek Scriptures.
quote - where Jesus used the name Jehovah or equivalent outside of the scriptures he quoted - end quote
Based on the copies on hand...NO, I can not say for certain where. But according to Jesus he said: 'the works he did were in his Father’s name', etc...so I would think that it is not unreasonable that he used it despite there not currently being written record of the usage.
Can you say for certain that the DN was not written at all in the originals?
Do you find it reasonable that when he did quote from the Hebrew Scriptures that he would have said the name?
quote - It's too bad that the God of the Bible is not powerful enough to protect His Word sufficiently...Jehovah is my strength and my defense; he has become my Yeshua. - end quote
There is a reason why an angel came to Mary and told her what she was to name her son. The name she was told to name him was the Hebrew name: Yehoshua.
What is Yehoshua said to mean?
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Cite one scripture in the N.T. that chargers Christians to be witnesses of / for Jehovah.....Not one.using K.I ./ WTB&TS
by smiddy3 ini think the wtb&ts publication titled "the kingdom interlinear of the christian greek scriptures" speaks for itself.. the word for word translation of the greek into english.. that publication does not even contain the name or word jehovah either in hebrew letters or greek letters anywhere in the word for word texts.. their is not one scripture in the n.t.
where christians ,followers of jesus christ are instructed to be witnesses of jehovah ,however there are something like twenty scriptures that explicitly state followers of jesus christ are to be witnesses of, for, and about jesus...
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Matt 4:4,7, 10 to start with and other places where he quoted from the Hebrew Scriptures.
I know the argument that the oldest Greek copies on hand do not have the DN written in those places, but just as you can tell me that I can't say for certain that the originals and those that followed up until the oldest now on hand did have the DN there, I can tell you that you can't say for certain that it was not there.
But I can add reasoning to support that it was there, whereas those that argue it wasn't there cannot support their argument that it was not.
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Cite one scripture in the N.T. that chargers Christians to be witnesses of / for Jehovah.....Not one.using K.I ./ WTB&TS
by smiddy3 ini think the wtb&ts publication titled "the kingdom interlinear of the christian greek scriptures" speaks for itself.. the word for word translation of the greek into english.. that publication does not even contain the name or word jehovah either in hebrew letters or greek letters anywhere in the word for word texts.. their is not one scripture in the n.t.
where christians ,followers of jesus christ are instructed to be witnesses of jehovah ,however there are something like twenty scriptures that explicitly state followers of jesus christ are to be witnesses of, for, and about jesus...
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johnamos
I did not ignore or am I missing any point. The topic is to cite a Scripture in the Greek Scriptures where there is a charge for Christian's to witness for Jehovah.
The mere fact that anyone would identify themselves as an Christian is in itself already being a witness for Jesus being that an Christian is known to be an 'follower of Jesus Christ.'
If one were to truly follow him, that would mean to also do works in the name of whom Jesus said was his father and thereby also making that name known.
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Cite one scripture in the N.T. that chargers Christians to be witnesses of / for Jehovah.....Not one.using K.I ./ WTB&TS
by smiddy3 ini think the wtb&ts publication titled "the kingdom interlinear of the christian greek scriptures" speaks for itself.. the word for word translation of the greek into english.. that publication does not even contain the name or word jehovah either in hebrew letters or greek letters anywhere in the word for word texts.. their is not one scripture in the n.t.
where christians ,followers of jesus christ are instructed to be witnesses of jehovah ,however there are something like twenty scriptures that explicitly state followers of jesus christ are to be witnesses of, for, and about jesus...
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Quote - Their is not one scripture in the N.T. where Christians, followers of Jesus Christ are instructed to be witnesses of Jehovah - End quote
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+10%3A25&version=CEB
John 10:25 Jesus answered, “I have told you, but you don’t believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me,
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+17&version=CEB
John 17: 3 This is eternal life: to know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you sent... 6 “I have revealed your name to the people you gave me from this world. They were yours and you gave them to me, and they have kept your word. 7 Now they know that everything you have given me comes from you. 8 This is because I gave them the words that you gave me, and they received them. They truly understood that I came from you, and they believed that you sent me…25 “Righteous Father, even the world didn’t know you, but I’ve known you, and these believers know that you sent me. 26 I’ve made your name known to them and will continue to make it known so that your love for me will be in them, and I myself will be in them.”
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Imagine if the JW logo were an idol, no wait...
by HiddenPimo ini’m in germany for work and guess what is next to the bowling alley in karlsruhe?
same thing as a cross.... .
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quote - It does seem like that they worship Jworg. - end quote
[9-15-95 WT- ‘The Golden Calf’ And the people said: “All that Jehovah has spoken we are willing to do and be obedient.”—Exodus 24:7. Nevertheless, the Israelites soon sinned against God. They were still encamped at the foot of Mount Sinai. Moses had been on the mountain many days, receiving further instruction from God, and the people pressured Moses’ brother, Aaron, to make a god for them. Aaron complied and made a calf out of gold that the people provided. It was claimed that this idol represented Jehovah. (Psalm 106:20) The next day they offered sacrifices and kept “bowing down to it.” Then they had “a good time.”—Exodus 32:1, 4, 6, 8, 17-19.]
[Insight Vol 1 IDOL, IDOLATRY- An idol is an image, a representation of anything, or a symbol that is an object of passionate devotion, whether material or imagined. Generally speaking, idolatry is the veneration, love, worship, or adoration of an idol. It is usually practiced toward a real or supposed higher power, whether such power is believed to have animate existence (as a human, an animal, or an organization) or is inanimate (as a force or lifeless object of nature).]
The Israelite’s desired to have a visible image made with the claim that it represented Jehovah, in which Jehovah viewed as idolatry… people today are guilty of idolatry to an organization (or group of men) that claim to represent Jehovah, by giving it (them) undue devotion, praise, respect, adoration, love, worship, etc…
[4-1-07 WT- ‘Showing Due Respect for the Faithful Slave‘ A fundamental reason for showing proper respect for the faithful slave class is that by so doing, we are in fact showing respect for the Master, Jesus Christ.…Therefore, when we loyally submit to the direction of the faithful slave and its Governing Body, we are submitting to Christ, the slave’s Master….For this reason, all in the congregation view it as their sacred duty to follow and uphold the direction coming from the faithful slave and its Governing Body]
[11-1-90 WT- Further direction comes from “the faithful and discreet slave” class of anointed Christians. These have been helped by Jehovah’s spirit to understand his will progressively. (Matthew 24:45-47; Proverbs 4:18) Thus, when direction comes from Jehovah’s organization, we can wisely submit to it,]
[11-15-09 WT- By word or action, may we never challenge the channel of communication that Jehovah is using today. (Num. 16:1-3) On the contrary, we should cherish our privilege to cooperate with the slave class.]
[2-15-09 WT- Since Jehovah God and Jesus Christ completely trust the faithful and discreet slave, should we not do the same?]
[4-15-13 WT- How do we demonstrate our support for the arrangements made by Jehovah’s organization? One important way is by always putting our confidence in the ones whom Jehovah and Jesus trusting]
Adoration- the act of paying honor, as to a divine being; worship.
Sacred duty– worthy of religious worship: very holy, highly valued and important: deserving great respect
Devotion– love, loyalty, or enthusiasm for a person, activity, or cause
Loyal– faithful to any leader, party, or cause, or to any person or thing conceived as deserving fidelity
Submit– to defer to another’s judgment, opinion, decision, etc.
Cherish– to hold or treat as dear; feel love for