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  What are you now???

  by SpiceItUp in

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  i am sure this question has been posted by someone before ...but it wasn't by me so it doesnt count..lol .

  to those that post here do you..... a. consider yourself christian.

  b. consider yourself pagan.

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  What are you now???

  by SpiceItUp in

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  i am sure this question has been posted by someone before ...but it wasn't by me so it doesnt count..lol .

  to those that post here do you..... a. consider yourself christian.

  b. consider yourself pagan.

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  TheContagion

  I had long called myself a atheist. Like JanH
  said "that describes more what I am not than what I am". What i am and have always been is a Pantheist. Like Einstien, Stephen Hawking, and Carl Sagan.

  We are not humans having spiritual experiences, the universe is one great big spirit having individual human experiences.

  I have a web site/MSN group that i am slowly developing about Semantic Pantheism.
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  Are women naturally "Bi" ?

  by refiners fire in

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  just a question.

  actually a friend of mine, alex, (who hopefully might read this and commence posting on this board) has been insisting for 20 years that women are naturally bi sexual.

  i laughed at his claims.. but now, looking around here, and based on numerous group chats ive had with women on this site, there seems to be some evidence that his theory is correct.

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  I really don't understand why my point would go unnoticed every time i have brought it up in different threads. Nobody seemed to notice that i gave a very sound and IMHO workable explanation of why female bisexuality is more excepted then male bisexuality. Don't you guys think that thousands of years of polygamy would have something to do with it?
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  Are women naturally "Bi" ?

  by refiners fire in

  1. social
  2. relationships

  just a question.

  actually a friend of mine, alex, (who hopefully might read this and commence posting on this board) has been insisting for 20 years that women are naturally bi sexual.

  i laughed at his claims.. but now, looking around here, and based on numerous group chats ive had with women on this site, there seems to be some evidence that his theory is correct.

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  TheContagion

  I think it is just more acceptable for girls to be bi than it is for boys. I have said this before and i think it is a very good point. Being as how humans have a long history of polygamy, female bisexuality would have a biological advantage. I believe this is the major reason we still find female bisexuality more acceptable. However

  Based on research done by Kinsey in the 1940s and 1950s, as many as 15-25% of women and 33-46% of men may be bisexual, based on their activities or attractions. Bisexuals are in many ways a hidden population.

  I think that acceptance of male bisexuality will increase. While status and power still is a strong selection pressure, male beauty is starting to be a bigger driving force in human sexual selection. Status and power is not a trait monopolized by the grunts anymore. And the pretty boys are becoming more successful more often then they used to in prehistory. Now the spectrum of feminine to androgynous to masculine is becoming more open to female preferences. I think the more pretty boys the more expectable male bisexuality will become. Look around boys aren't you feeling more pressure to be beautiful then our grandfathers did?

  Another thing, about the whole men encourage women to be bi thing. I have met quite a few women who are very turned on by my being bisexual. I get encouragement all over the place.

  I'm one of the i am attracted to the different sexes differently. With men i am bottom and submissive, girls i just like to have fun. I don't usually do the deed with girls, just explore and do everything else.

  Edited by - TheContagion on 21 June 2002 15:17:11
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  perspicacia2 How long will this go unanswered?

  by TheContagion in

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  so, for a while, let's forget the jerusalemm fall.

  - 539 is a sure date.

  - 537 is the year of hebrews return.

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  TheContagion

  Frank,

  Something tells me you have stepped out of your league here. I am still waiting for you reply to the Bethel Ministries Newsletter . I will continue to wait.........
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  perspicacia2 How long will this go unanswered?

  by TheContagion in

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  so, for a while, let's forget the jerusalemm fall.

  - 539 is a sure date.

  - 537 is the year of hebrews return.

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  TheContagion

  Historians hold that Babylon fell to Cyrus army in October 539 B.C.E.
  Nabonidus was then king, but his son Belshazzar was coruler of Babylon. Some
  scholars have worked out a list of the Neo-Babylonian kings and the length of
  their reigns, from the last year of Nabonidus back to Nebuchadnezzars father
  Nabopolassar.
  According to that Neo-Babylonian chronology, Crown-prince Nebuchadnezzar
  defeated the Egyptians at the battle of Carchemish in 605 B.C.E. (Jeremiah
  46:1, 2) After Nabopolassar died Nebuchadnezzar returned to Babylon to assume
  the throne. His first regnal year began the following spring (604 B.C.E.).
  The Bible reports that the Babylonians under Nebuchadnezzar destroyed
  Jerusalem in his 18th regnal year (19th when accession year is included).
  (Jeremiah 52:5, 12, 13, 29) Thus if one accepted the above Neo-Babylonian
  chronology, the desolation of Jerusalem would have been in the year 587/6
  B.C.E. But on what is this secular chronology based and how does it compare
  with the chronology of the Bible?
  Some major lines of evidence for this secular chronology are:
  Ptolemys Canon: Claudius Ptolemy was a Greek astronomer who lived in the
  second century C.E. His Canon, or list of kings, was connected with a work on
  astronomy that he produced. Most modern historians accept Ptolemys
  information about the Neo-Babylonian kings and the length of their reigns
  (though Ptolemy does omit the reign of Labashi-Marduk). Evidently Ptolemy
  based his historical information on sources dating from the Seleucid period,
  which began more than 250 years after Cyrus captured Babylon. It thus is not
  surprising that Ptolemys figures agree with those of Berossus, a Babylonian
  priest of the Seleucid period.
  Nabonidus Harran Stele (NABON H 1, B): This contemporary stele, or pillar
  with an inscription, was discovered in 1956. It mentions the reigns of the
  Neo-Babylonian kings Nebuchadnezzar, Evil-Merodach, Neriglissar. The figures
  given for these three agree with those from Ptolemys Canon.
  VAT 4956: This is a cuneiform tablet that provides astronomical information
  datable to 568 B.C.E. It says that the observations were from Nebuchadnezzar
  s 37th year. This would correspond to the chronology that places his 18th
  regnal year in 587/6 B.C.E. However, this tablet is admittedly a copy made in
  the third century B.C.E. so it is possible that its historical information is
  simply that which was accepted in the Seleucid period.
  Business tablets: Thousands of contemporary Neo-Babylonian cuneiform tablets
  have been found that record simple business transactions, stating the year of
  the Babylonian king when the transaction occurred. Tablets of this sort have
  been found for all the years of reign for the known Neo-Babylonian kings in
  the accepted chronology of the period.
  From a secular viewpoint, such lines of evidence might seem to establish the
  Neo-Babylonian chronology with Nebuchadnezzars 18th year (and the
  destruction of Jerusalem) in 587/6 B.C.E. However, no historian can deny the
  possibility that the present picture of Babylonian history might be
  misleading or in error. It is known, for example, that ancient priests and
  kings sometimes altered records for their own purposes. Or, even if the
  discovered evidence is accurate, it might be misinterpreted by modern
  scholars or be incomplete so that yet undiscovered material could drastically
  alter the chronology of the period.
  Evidently realizing such facts, Professor Edward F. Campbell, Jr., introduced
  a chart, which included Neo-Babylonian chronology, with the caution: "It goes
  without saying that these lists are provisional. The more one studies the
  intricacies of the chronological problems in the ancient Near East, the less
  he is inclined to think of any presentation as final. For this reason, the
  term circa [about] could be used even more liberally than it is."The Bible
  and the Ancient Near East (1965 ed.), p. 281.
  Christians who believe the Bible have time and again found that its words
  stand the test of much criticism and have been proved accurate and reliable.
  They recognize that as the inspired Word of God it can be used as a measuring
  rod in evaluating secular history and views. (2 Timothy 3:16, 17) For
  instance, though the Bible spoke of Belshazzar as ruler of Babylon, for
  centuries scholars were confused about him because no secular documents were
  available as to his existence, identity or position. Finally, however,
  archaeologists discovered secular records that confirmed the Bible. Yes, the
  Bibles internal harmony and the care exercised by its writers, even in
  matters of chronology, recommends it so strongly to the Christian that he
  places its authority above that of the ever-changing opinions of secular
  historians.
  But how does the Bible help us to determine when Jerusalem was destroyed, and
  how does this compare to secular chronology?
  The prophet Jeremiah predicted that the Babylonians would destroy Jerusalem
  and make the city and land a desolation. (Jeremiah 25:8, 9) He added: "And
  all this land must become a devastated place, an object of astonishment, and
  these nations will have to serve the king of Babylon seventy years."
  (Jeremiah 25:11) The 70 years expired when Cyrus the Great, in his first
  year, released the Jews and they returned to their homeland. (2 Chronicles
  36:17-23) We believe that the most direct reading of Jeremiah 25:11 and other
  texts is that the 70 years would date from when the Babylonians destroyed
  Jerusalem and left the land of Judah desolate.Jeremiah 52:12-15, 24-27;
  36:29-31.
  Yet those who rely primarily on secular information for the chronology of
  that period realize that if Jerusalem were destroyed in 587/6 B.C.E.
  certainly it was not 70 years until Babylon was conquered and Cyrus let the
  Jews return to their homeland. In an attempt to harmonize matters, they claim
  that Jeremiahs prophecy began to be fulfilled in 605 B.C.E. Later writers
  quote Berossus as saying that after the battle of Carchemish Nebuchadnezzar
  extended Babylonian influence into all Syria-Palestine and, when returning to
  Babylon (in his accession year, 605 B.C.E.), he took Jewish captives into
  exile. Thus they figure the 70 years as a period of servitude to Babylon
  beginning in 605 B.C.E. That would mean that the 70-year period would expire
  in 535 B.C.E.
  But there are a number of major problems with this interpretation:
  Though Berossus claims that Nebuchadnezzar took Jewish captives in his
  accession year, there are no cuneiform documents supporting this. More
  significantly, Jeremiah 52:28-30 carefully reports that Nebuchadnezzar took
  Jews captive in his seventh year, his 18th year and his 23rd year, not his
  accession year. Also, Jewish historian Josephus states that in the year of
  the battle of Carchemish Nebuchadnezzar conquered all of Syria-Palestine
  "excepting Judea," thus contradicting Berossus and conflicting with the claim
  that 70 years of Jewish servitude began in Nebuchadnezzars accession year.
  Antiquities of the Jews X, vi, 1.
  Furthermore, Josephus elsewhere describes the destruction of Jerusalem by the
  Babylonians and then says that "all Judea and Jerusalem, and the temple,
  continued to be a desert for seventy years." (Antiquities of the Jews X, ix,
  7) He pointedly states that "our city was desolate during the interval of
  seventy years, until the days of Cyrus." (Against Apion I, 19) This agrees
  with 2 Chronicles 36:21 and Daniel 9:2 that the foretold 70 years were 70
  years of full desolation for the land. Second-century (C.E.) writer
  Theophilus of Antioch also shows that the 70 years commenced with the
  destruction of the temple after Zedekiah had reigned 11 years.See also 2
  Kings 24:1825:21.
  But the Bible itself provides even more telling evidence against the claim
  that the 70 years began in 605 B.C.E. and that Jerusalem was destroyed in
  587/6 B.C.E. As mentioned, if we were to count from 605 B.C.E., the 70 years
  would reach down to 535 B.C.E. However, the inspired Bible writer Ezra
  reported that the 70 years ran until "the first year of Cyrus the king of
  Persia," who issued a decree allowing the Jews to return to their homeland.
  (Ezra 1:1-4; 2 Chronicles 36:21-23) Historians accept that Cyrus conquered
  Babylon in October 539 B.C.E. and that Cyrus first regnal year began in the
  spring of 538 B.C.E. If Cyrus decree came late in his first regnal year, the
  Jews could easily be back in their homeland by the seventh month (Tishri) as
  Ezra 3:1 says; this would be October 537 B.C.E.
  However, there is no reasonable way of stretching Cyrus first year from 538
  down to 535 B.C.E. Some who have tried to explain away the problem have in a
  strained manner claimed that in speaking of "the first year of Cyrus" Ezra
  and Daniel were using some peculiar Jewish viewpoint that differed from the
  official count of Cyrus reign. But that cannot be sustained, for both a
  non-Jewish governor and a document from the Persian archives agree that the
  decree occurred in Cyrus first year, even as the Bible writers carefully and
  specifically reported.Ezra 5:6, 13; 6:1-3; Daniel 1:21; 9:1-3.
  Jehovahs "good word" is bound up with the foretold 70-year period, for God
  said:
  "This is what Jehovah has said, In accord with the fulfilling of seventy
  years at Babylon I shall turn my attention to you people, and I will
  establish toward you my good word in bringing you back to this place."
  (Jeremiah 29:10)
  Daniel relied on that word, trusting that the 70 years were not a round
  number but an exact figure that could be counted on. (Daniel 9:1, 2) And
  that proved to be so.
  Similarly, we are willing to be guided primarily by Gods Word rather than by
  a chronology that is based principally on secular evidence or that disagrees
  with the Scriptures. It seems evident that the easiest and most direct
  understanding of the various Biblical statements is that the 70 years began
  with the complete desolation of Judah after Jerusalem was destroyed.
  (Jeremiah 25:8-11; 2 Chronicles 36:20-23; Daniel 9:2) Hence, counting back 70
  years from when the Jews returned to their homeland in 537 B.C.E., we arrive
  at 607 B.C.E. for the date when Nebuchadnezzar, in his 18th regnal year,
  destroyed Jerusalem, removed Zedekiah from the throne and brought to an end
  the Judean line of kings on a throne in earthly Jerusalem.Ezekiel 21:19-27.
  

  Frank.
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  perspicacia2 How long will this go unanswered?

  by TheContagion in

  1. watchtower
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  so, for a while, let's forget the jerusalemm fall.

  - 539 is a sure date.

  - 537 is the year of hebrews return.

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  TheContagion

  So, for a while, let's forget the Jerusalemm fall.

  - 539 is a sure date. (they say it is... or not?)
  - 537 is the year of hebrews return. (if not please explain)
  - back of 70 years we arrive to 607. (if not please explain)
  - 70 years are a symbol of Satan's rule (I've different secular
  books that makes this statement)
  - also the seven times are the symbol of Satan's rule

  If the 70 years started from 607 (537+70 ; without talking about
  Jerusalemm fall) also the 7 times should start from the
  same point. (if not please explain)

  Could you please tell me what's wrong in the above statements?

  The Bible itself provides absolute proof that Watchtower chronology is wrong. 2 Chronicles 36:20 states about Nebuchadnezzar (NIV):

  "He carried into exile to Babylon the remnant, who escaped from the sword, and they became servants to him and his sons until the kingdom of Persia came to power."

  If the Jews remained servants to Babylon until "the kingdom of Persia came to power" in 539 B.C., then obviously they were not servants to Babylon after 539. Thus, Jeremiah's prophecy in Jer. 25:11, 12 and 29:10 cannot apply to any period ending after 539 B.C. Therefore the Watchtower's claim that the 70 years mentioned in these latter passages applies from 607 to 537 B.C. is wrong, and Watchtower chronology collapses.

  The Watchtower Society has never dealt with this huge problem for it in 2 Chronicles 36:20, nor has it ever given a plausible explanation for the fact that Jer. 25:12 also kills its chronology. It is clear from this avoidance that they know very well that their ideas are biblically wrong, but as in all Christian cults, what cult leaders claim takes precedence over the Bible.

  AlanF

  reprint from the Mar/Jun 1988 Bethel Ministries Newsletter

  THE GENTILE TIMES

  `Appointed Times of the Nations'

  607 BCE to 1914 CE?

  by Ed Schnopp

  It has been said concerning the Bible, that `you can make it say anything you want.' If by that statement, it means that by weaving one's way through isolated verses, making arbitrary cross-references, and by using one of many possible definitions for a particular word without giving attention to the context of that word, then yes, the Bible can be twisted to conform to almost any pre-conceived notion or teaching. There are many examples of those who have taken a few Scriptures out of their context and, by adding convoluted logic, have formed some rather strange doctrines. This is the case with the Watchtower Society's (WTS') explanation stemming from Luke 21:24, which reads, "and they will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations, until the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled." (NWT) What might be noticed first is the WT's rendering of ethnos as nations. Granted, one of the definitions of ethnos is `nations,' but a better translation would be `Gentiles' (nonJews). Israel is also a nation, yet is excluded from `the nations' of Luke 21:24.

  Assembling the Doctrine

  According to the Watchtower Society, the `trampling of Jerusalem' refers not to the literal city, but to that which Jerusalem represented the typical kingdom of God operating through the kings of the line of David. They say the `trampling' of that Davidic dynasty began centuries earlier with the overthrow of Jerusalem in 607 BCE [1] by Nebuchadnezzar, King of Babylon. As they explain it, "With Jerusalem's fall in 607 BCE the Gentile powers exercised dominion over the entire earth. The Davidic dynasty and rule suffered interruption and so Jerusalem or what it stood for would continue to be `trampled on' as long as God's kingdom, as functioning through David's house, was kept in a low inoperative condition under the Gentile powers." (Aid to Bible Understanding, 1969, p. 95) This domination continued until 1914 CE when, as the WT says, Christ was enthroned in heaven, and took dominion of the earth away from the nations. How the WT arrived at this is a study in bizarre Scriptural interpretation. After saying that the "Jerusalem" of Luke 21:24 actually means the Jewish kingdom of David's line, they cross-reference Luke's account with Matthew 24, there noting that verse 15 refers the reader to the book of Daniel. Matthew 24:15 doesn't say what part of Daniel's books, so the WT begins with the great image of Daniel chapter 2, which represents the order of world powers, beginning with the Babylonian Empire. They then `connect' this to the vision of Daniel 4, of a tree that is chopped down, and has "seven times" pass over the banded stump. [2]

  The WT, however, takes it upon itself to give the vision/dream a further interpretation. In the Aid book (p. 95) it states,

  The vision definitely had a fulfillment in Nebuchadnezzar himself. (See Daniel 4:31-35.) Therefore, some view it as having direct prophetic application only to him....Yet, an examination of the entire book of Daniel reveals that the element of time is everywhere prominent in the visions and prophecies it presents....Additionally, the book repeatedly points forward toward the conclusion that forms the theme of its prophecies: the establishment of a universal and eternal Kingdom of God....

  In view of the above, it does not seem logical to evaluate the vision of the symbolic "tree" and its reference to "seven times" as having no other application....

  The Watchtower thereby links the "seven times" of Daniel chapter 4 to "the appointed times of the nations" of Luke 21:24. God's sovereignty, as represented by the Davidic dynasty, would be interrupted for a period of "seven times." To arrive at a definition of these "seven times," the WT turns to Revelation 12:6, 14. Since verse 6 has "the woman in the wilderness" for 1,260 days, and verse 14 has "the woman in the wilderness" for "a time, times, and half a time" (3 1/2 times), each `time' is determined to be 360 days; hence, 7 times would be 2,520 days. Next they apply the unrelated formula of Numbers 14:34 and Ezekiel 4:6, "a day for a year," and translate the 2,520 days of the calculations into 2,520 years. Thus the "appointed times of the nations" becomes 2,520 years. The WT begins this count of time from when Nebuchadnezzar overthrew Jerusalem, which the Watchtower states is 607 BCE. Finally they count forward to 1914 CE to arrive at the time when the lease of Gentile domination expired, and the Davidic Kingdom was to be re-established.

  An Examination of the Facts

  Is there any merit to the WT's reckoning of time? Let's start at the focal point, 607 BC. The WT places the desolating overthrow of Jerusalem in that year, and they do so primarily on the basis of the 70-year prophecy of Jeremiah 25:10-12 and 29:10. This 70-year prophecy, according to the WT, refers to the period of time the Jews were held in captivity by Babylonia, beginning with Jerusalem's fall. Since the Jews were freed in 537 BC (historically correct), the WT simply counted backward 70 years and arrived at 607 BCE as the year Jerusalem was overthrown. Actually, the 70-year prophecy of Jeremiah is not to be applied in this way, which will be explained later. Let's concern ourselves for the moment with 607 BCE, which disagrees with the scholarly accepted date of 587/586 BCE as the time of Jerusalem's fall.

  The WT denies and ignores the following secular evidence against the 607 BCE date: In the 3rd century BCE, a Babylonian priest named Berossus wrote a history of Babylonia which dealt with the lengths of reigns of kings during the Neo-Babylonian period (Nabonassar to Nabonidus). Another historian, astronomer, and writer, Claudius Ptolemy (70-161 CE), put together his listing of kings and dates of reign of the same period. The WT dismisses as inaccurate the writings of these two ancient historians by quoting the words of a Professor Olmstead: "...only the merest fragments, abstracts, or traces, have come down to us" and that "Today we must consult a modern Latin translation of an Armenian translation of the lost Greek original of the Chronicle of Eusebius, who borrowed in part from Alexander Polyhistor who borrowed from Berossus direct, in part from Abydenus who apparently borrowed from Juba who borrowed from Alexander Polyhistor and so from Berossus." (Aid, p. 328). While we do not have to consult a Latin translation (the Armenian translation is still preserved), admittedly the rest of what the WT said is true, and does cast some doubt upon the accuracy of the copiers. However, we will see this doubt erased as we go on. Ptolemy, says the WT, "is thought to have used the writings of Berossus." (Aid, p. 328) However, scholars believe Ptolemy's canon was written independent of Berossus, because of the order and forms of the kings names. (see The Gentile Times Reconsidered, Carl Olof Jonsson, 1983, p. 42). The WT does concede, however, that "even though [modern historians generally credit Ptolemy with accuracy] and even though the reigns of the Kings of Babylon and Persia as set forth in Ptolemy's canon may be basically correct, there seems to be no reason for holding that the canon is necessarily accurate in every respect or for all periods." (Aid, p. 327) The WT's ambiguity here betrays their lack of confidence. In actuality, there are many reasons why we should accept Ptolemy's canon, especially for the Neo-Babylonian era.

  Both Berossus and Ptolemy are in almost complete agreement with regard to the succession of kings and their lengths of reign during that era. The only difference is that Berossus lists the 5th king, Labashi-Marduk, and Ptolemy doesn't. The reason is that this king reigned less than a year, and Ptolemy dealt only in whole years. The table of reigns is:

  Table of Reigns

  Name of King	Berossus	Ptolemy	BCE
  Nabopolassar	21 years	21 years	625-605
  Nebuchadnezzar	43 years	43 years	604-562
  Evilmerodach	2 years	2 years	561-560
  Neriglissar	4 years	4 years	559-556
  Labashi-Marduk	9 months	n/a	556
  Nabonidus	17 years	17 years	555-539

  As you can see, both historians have listed Nebuchadnezzar's first year as 604, three years after the 607 date the WT ascribes to him. So now, the question is, Can these king lists be corroborated by any other known sources?

  Several Lines of Evidence

  In the Aid book, p. 327, the WT deceptively states: "...Babylonian historical records that could either substantiate or undermine Ptolemy's figures for the lengths of reigns of certain kings are largely lacking." Perhaps for the `certain kings' of Persia, but not for the Neo-Babylonian period! Actually, seven lines of evidence can be given to support both Berossus and Ptolemy. These have come from cuneiform clay tablets which have been unearthed during the last 100 years. The first of these is the Babylonian Chronicles which are all kept in the British Museum in London. Though these Chronicles are incomplete for the entire Neo-Babylonian period, they do provide support for a portion of Berossus' and Ptolemy's lists. The second line of evidence is the Uruk King List, unearthed during an excavation campaign in 1959/60. Portions of it are eaten away, but what is still preserved agrees with Berossus' and Ptolemy's lengths of reigns of the first two kings, Nabopolassar and Nebuchadnezzar.

  The third and fourth lines of evidence are the preserved Royal Inscriptions of Nabonidus. One, designated Nabon. No. 8, helps to establish the whole Neo-Babylonian era, since it states that from the 16th year of Nabopolassar to the accession year of Nabonidus was a period of 54 years (in complete agreement with Berossus and Ptolemy). The other Royal Inscription, Nabon. H 1 B, gives the lengths of all the reigns of the Neo-Babylonian kings up to the 9th year of Nabonidus (except for Labashi-Marduk, whose short reign is ignored). The figures given are again in complete harmony with Berossus and Ptolemy.

  The fifth line of evidence, which is very decisive, is the thousands of business document texts that have come down to us from that period. There are dated tablets in existence from every year during the whole era. The records of a banking house centered in Babylon, the house of "The Sons of Egibi," verify each year of every king's reign during the period. This aligns exactly with Berossus, Ptolemy, the Chronicles, and the Royal records. Sixth, there are the preserved documents of Babylonian astronomers, termed "Astronomical Diaries." These have been designated VAT 4956 (kept in the Berlin Museum) and B.M. 32312. They contain dated astronomical positions which are not duplicated in the heavens for thousands of years, thus pinpointing with precise accuracy Nebuchadnezzar's eighteenth regnal year (in which he conquered Jerusalem--Jer. 52:12) as 587/586 BCE. Seventh and last are the synchronic links provided by comparing the chronology of Egypt to that of Babylon. There are at least four such dated connecting links, giving excellent proof of the correctness of Berossus' and Ptolemy's king-lists. (For a study on these seven lines of evidence, see The Gentile Times Reconsidered.)

  The historical date proven as 587/586 for the overthrow of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar in his 18th year of reign is thus confirmed by at least seven lines of secular evidence in addition to Berossus and Ptolemy. The 607 date of the WT leaves a gap of 20 years, which is unaccounted for in any record of that period. Assume for the moment that Berossus' figures contain an error of 20 years, as required by the WT. This would mean that 400 years after Berossus, and independent of him, Ptolemy made the same 20 year error. It would also mean that the sources of the Babylonian Chronicles, the Royal Inscriptions, and the banking business documents, in turn, made the same 20-year mistake. Is it really likely that the scribes and businessmen who wrote during the Neo-Babylonian era did not know the lengths of the reigns of the Kings under whom they lived? If such a thing could be found likely, could it also be possible that contemporary scribes in Egypt would have made the same error? Then too, the Babylonian astronomers would have had to make a similar mistake in their diaries. This kind of irrational thinking does not `stretch' the imagination--it snaps it in two! Still more incredible is the idea that scribes and astronomers could work in collusion to remove any reference to a 20-year period in this era. On top of all this would be a fantastic coincidence that of all the thousands of dated documents for the Neo-Babylonian period, covering every year of that period, not one single tablet has been found for the missing 20 years. Could it be that there was an international `coverup' of these 20 years? If there were, then it was so successful that in all the thousands of unearthed documents, nary a word is mentioned indicating that such a 20 year period ever existed. To suggest such a thing would be preposterous, and so we are led forcefully to the conclusion that the WT's chronology is in error.

  The Seventy Years

  What about the 70-year prophecy dating back from 537 BCE to 607 BCE? Since the date 537 BCE is historically valid, it would seem that a count backwards of 70 years to 607 BCE is only logical in order to determine the date for Jerusalem's destruction. However, it will be shown that there are actually two seventy year periods mentioned relating to Israel. Out of seven passages citing a period of seventy years, only five have application to the 70 years of servitude to Babylon. This prophecy, as alluded to earlier, is given in Jeremiah:

  "And I will destroy out of them the sound of exultation and the sound of rejoicing, the voice of the bridegroom and the voice of the bride, the sound of the hand mill and the light of the lamp. And all this land must become a devastated place, an object of astonishment, and these nations will have to serve the king of Babylon seventy years.

  "And it must occur that when seventy years have been fulfilled I shall call to account against the king of Babylon and against that nation," is the utternace of Jehovah, "their error, even against the land of the Chaldeans, and I will make it desolate wastes to time indefinite." Jeremiah 25:10-12, NWT

  For this is what Jehovah has said, "In accord with the fulfilling of seventy years at Babylon I shall turn my attention to you people, and I will establish toward you my good word in bringing you back to this place." Jeremiah 29:10, NWT

  Because Jer. 25:11 says "this land must become a devastated place," the WT assumes this prophecy had its fulfillment beginning at Jerusalem's capture, which is incorrect. What has escaped their notice is that this prophecy does not just pertain to the land of Judah, for it says "these nations will have to serve the king of Babylon seventy years," or according to verse 9, "against this land [Judah]...and against all these nations round about...." This prophecy included not just Judah, but all surrounding nations. The WT gives the impression that the 70 years applied to Judah only, and describe the period as one of complete desolation `without an inhabitant.' Serving may sometimes include `captivity' or `desolation,' but it shouldn't always be interpreted thusly. The yoke of an oppressive regime can come upon lesser nations prior to, and sometimes without, any subsequent wholesale destruction. A land can be spoken of as being `desolated' even though inhabitants remain, due to repeated attacks against them by pillagers who seek to decimate a defenseless people. Such is what occurred in the days of Babylon. It must be emphasized again that the "seventy years" of servitude pertained to all nations round about, not just Judah.

  When did the `servitude to Babylon' for those nations begin? Since dominant world powers exacted payments from the smaller nations in their acquired territory, it is likely that the `servitude' began at the time of vassalage. As far as Babylonian power is concerned, history reveals that prior to 626 BCE, Babylon itself was under the yoke of Assyria. But beginning that year, the Babylonians first drove the Assyrians out of their land, and by 610/609 BCE they had captured Nineveh and the provincial capital of Harran; thus putting an end to Assyrian domination as a world power. In so doing, Babylon took control of Assyria's territories, which included nations to the north of Judah (the ten-tribe kingdom being one), and later Judah herself. Thus, it could be said that the `nations' servitude to Babylon began in 609 BCE. The WT would object to this date, for this would mean that the "seventy years" ended in 539, not 537 which the WT knows is the date the Jews were released from captivity in Babylon. And they would again cite the prophecy at Jer. 25:10, "seventy years at Babylon." But the Hebrew preposition LE, translated `at' in the NWT, generally means `for, to, in regard to,' and is rendered so in a number of modern translations. The seventy years "for Babylon" (or, in service to Babylon) did end in 539, when Babylonian supremacy came to a close. From Jeremiah 25:12 we see that "when seventy years have been fulfilled I [Jehovah] shall call to account against the king of Babylon and against that nation." This `fulfillment' and `accounting' happened on the night of October 5 or 6, 539 BCE, when "Belshazzar the Chaldean king was killed and Darius the Mede himself received the kingdom" (Dan. 5:30,31). Therefore, the seventy years given `for Babylon' were completed on that night in 539 BCE.

  As was stated earlier, the WT cites seven passages which they say refer to the 70-year prophecy, whereas in actuality only five of these Scripture texts can be used for that application. We've already seen that Jeremiah chapters 25 and 29 contain the prophecy itself. Two of the remaining three, Daniel 9:2 and 2 Chron. 36:20, 21, can only be applied referentially, since neither gives any further information about the prophecy. The last of the five is Isa. 23:15-18, which concerns itself with a 70-year prophecy against Tyre. This may or may not have connection to Jeremiah's prophecy.

  The remaining two passages mentioning a 70-year period have nothing specifically to do with the 70-year prophecy of servitude to Babylon, for these two texts do not correspond to that 70-year period, though the WT believes otherwise. Neither text contains any reference to Jeremiah, as do Dan. 9:2 and 2 Chron. 36:20, 21. They are merely allusions to `seventy years past,' and are not relative to a given prophetic period or event. The first is at Zechariah 1:7, 12: "On the twentyfourth [day] of the eleventh month, that is, the month Shebat, in the second year of Darius, the word of Jehovah occurred to Zechariah...." and "So the angel of Jehovah answered and said: `O Jehovah of armies, how long will you yourself not show mercy to Jerusalem and to the cities of Judah, whom you have denounced these seventy years?'" (NWT). As noticed, this was written in "the second year of Darius," which even the WT agrees corresponded to the year 520/519 BCE. Further, the "twentyfourth day of the eleventh month" would therefor be in February of 519 BCE. The WT equates these `seventy years' with the 70 years of Jeremiah's prophecy. It is abundantly clear this cannot be. Why?

  For one thing, the angel's question about `denouncement' was asked because Jehovah still (in 519 BCE) had not shown mercy to the cities of Judah. If, according to the WT, the denouncement had ended in 537, the angel would have surely known about it and his question would have had no meaning. Furthermore, if Jehovah had continued to show His displeasure for about 18 more years, the entire period of hostility would be closer to 90 years, not 70. No, these two overlapping 70-year periods (one prophecy, one recorded history) are separate and distinct in their purpose and application:

  (1) The prophetic 70 years of Jeremiah concerns Judah and the surrounding nations' servitude to Babylon. As was shown, the period of `servitude' to Babylon began in 609 and ended with Babylon's fall in 539, for it is obvious that there could be no servitude to Babylon after Babylonian power ended.

  (2) Zechariah records seventy years of `indignation,' `wrath,' or `denouncement' of Judah alone; its cities, Jerusalem and the temple; and it began at the time of siege and destruction of Jerusalem. By counting back 70 years from Zechariah's writing in Zech. 1:7, 12, we come to 589 BCE, the year Nebuchadnezzar laid siege to Jerusalem.

  Then in the final passage of `seventy years,' in Zech. 7:1, 5, we read, "Furthermore, it came about that in the fourth year of Darius the king the word of Jehovah occurred to Zechariah...." "`Say to all the people of the land and to the priests, "When you fasted and there was a wailing in the fifth [month] and in the seventh [month], and this for seventy years, did you really fast to me, even me?"'" This was written "in the fourth year of Darius," in 517 BCE. The Jew, then, had been fasting and wailing over the loss of Jerusalem and its temple for seventy years; from the time of Jerusalem's fall at the hands of Nebuchadnezzar in 587 BCE. If the destruction of Jerusalem is dated in 607, as the WT says, this would again make the time of the observance of the `fasts and wailings' ninety years rather than seventy.

  The WT application given to the 70-year prophecy, that it refers to Judah only (following the destruction of Jerusalem) is thus seen to be illogical and unscriptural. Several years before the destruction of Jerusalem, Jeremiah wrote a letter to Jews already in Babylonian exile (Jer. 29:1, 10), in which he mentioned the 70 years. If, as the WT supposes, the 70 years did not begin until the destruction of Jerusalem, why would Jeremiah apply it to the exiles, who were still looking to free Jerusalem from captivity? If the 70 years were not already in progress, why make application to them? Jeremiah wrote his letter six or seven years prior to Jerusalem's fall. Therefore it is further evident that the 70 years be reckoned from a point before the destruction, and even from a point before the writing of the letter.

  Unwillingness to Change - Why?

  The WT Society has rejected all of the established Biblical and historical facts contained here. They have stated, "...We have relied on the chronological framework indicated in the Bible record and have accommodated secular history to it, rather than give precedence to what may be presently accepted and popular in the way of chronology but which is often conjectural or based on evidence that is undeniably weak." (Aid, pg. 155) The evidence presented in this article showing the true dates of the reigns of kings in the Neo-Babylonian era, the dates for Jeremiah's prophecy, and the seventy years of Zechariah clearly shows the ambivalence of that WT statement. The explanations from all sources herein reconcile with one another, without strained interpretations and in harmony with both the Bible and secular historical facts.

  At this time, the questions could be asked, Why doesn't the WT Society concede to all the evidence, and change their teaching, since they have changed on things before? Can it only be that they are headstrong and intractable about this? No, it is not because of pride; at least, not pride alone. They will not change, because they don't want to. They hold tenaciously to their teaching concerning the seventy years because it is critical to their calculation of the so-called 2,520 years of Gentile Times, namely 607 BCE to 1914 CE. If their time-teaching and application of the seventy years is admitted to be false, then in turn, their Gentile Times calculation collapses, along with all other prophetic speculations tied into it. The 2,520-year `appointed times of the nations' teaching is the foundation upon which the entire doctrinal structure of the WT is built. It is the basis for the central thrust of Jehovah's Witnesses. They do not go door to door with the simple gospel of salvation in Christ (1 Cor. 15:3, 4). Their message is of the establishment of God's Kingdom and Christ's `invisible' return in 1914. They actually admit that they are teaching this as a new gospel, not taught in centuries past by the churches! (See The Watchtower, May 1, 1981, p. 17.) Exposing the truth about their calculations totally disables their theological system. Without the premise of 1914, many of their teachings tied directly to this date are no longer valid:

  * Christ didn't return invisibly in 1914.

  * The Watchtower organization was not chosen by Christ in 1918/1919.

  * They are therefore not the "faithful and discreet slave."

  * Armageddon isn't `just around the corner.'

  * Satan has not been thrown out of heaven to the earth.

  * There are not two classes of Christians.

  * They are false prophets.

  As stated earlier, the WT has interpreted the `7 times' of Dan. 4 as 2,520 years, based on (1) the `3 1/2 times' of Rev. 12:14 being 1,260 days, (2) applying the formula of Num. 14:34 and Eze. 4:6 (`a day for a year') to the 2,520 days (2 X 1,260 = 2,520). It must be pointed out that in the WT's interpretation of the prophetic 1,260 days of Rev. 12:6, they do not apply the `day for a year' formula, but leave the 1,260 days as literal days. (Then Is Finished the Mystery of God, 1969, p. 314.) If the `times' of Rev. 12 are correlated to the `times' of Daniel 4, upon what sound logical basis is there for applying the `day for a year' formula to one and not the other?

  Despite this arbitrary behavior by the WT, the doctrinal system built upon the Gentile Times chronology becomes a `security blanket' where solace and comfort is sought, and a fortress in which to hide for many Witnesses. And hide they do--from the facts! If any part of the `security' or `fortress' is threatened, they react defensively and often with belligerence. This `knee-jerk' defense mechanism makes it difficult for them to think on an objective level. Without realizing it, they've placed their need for doctrinal security over and above a love for truth. For anyone who respectfully and objectively examines the evidence, the information alluded to and found in this article does not `rock the doctrinal boat' of the WTit sinks it. Fortunately, among Jehovah's Witnesses, there are those who have listening ears and open minds. Hopefully this article will reach these ones.

  Footnotes:

  [1] The Watchtower prefers to use BCE (Before [our] Common Era) and CE ([our] Common Era) rather than the Christian designations of BC (Before Christ) and AD (anno dominiin the year of the Lord). To avoid confusion, the designations BCE and CE are used in this article.

  [2] The `tree vision' was a dream of Nebuchadnezzar, who called on Daniel to interpret the dream. Daniel gave it one interpretation that King Nebuchadnezzar would have his rulership interrupted for "seven times," after which his sovereignty would be restored to him.

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  Please give me some time to translate your message.

  Frank.

  But the correct thing to do is to discuss it directly
  with governing body (as I did) and if the information is correct
  they will confirm it (as per my cases).

  http://www.607v587.com/

  This guy at the link above has correspondance from bethel.

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  a little off topic for a "jw" discussion board, however it is interesting to see how some of the other cults operate.

  see the analysis at http://www.operatingthetan.com/google/.

  it appears that church of scientology has been pulling out all the stops to control their ranking in google.

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  From: davis (Original Message)

  Sent: 4/9/2002 11:06 AM

  The following is an extensive list of Scientology owned and operated websites, front companies, so-called charitible organizations, social betterment agencies, businesses run by Scientologists, sites that shill for or point to Scientology , and also some of the many registered domains that are not active sites,....yet. You will also notice that Scientology has went above and beyond, in their hysteria to register domain names with certain keywords, and certain themes in them. This looks like madness to me. Instead of listing every site in alphabetical order, I separated them in to groups so you can see what I mean, in reference to certain keywords. The first list contains domains with the word Scientology in it somewhere, and so forth, and an occasional description or a remark by me. So, off we go, enjoy List 1. Keyword: Scientology. acceptedscientology.org actualscientology.net authenticscientology.org basicscientology.net bonafidescientology.org cienciologia.org essentialscientology.net exactscientology.org fundamentalscientology.net originalscientology.org properscientology.org realscientology.com- (are we having fun yet?) recognizedscientology.net rightscientology.com rightscientology.net scientologists.org scientology.org- (this is the main site, where all the tentacles meet) scientology-adelaide.org scientology-albuquerque.org scientology-canberra.org scientology-ccdallas.org- (the cc stands for Celebrity Center) scientology-cclasvegas.org scientology-ccnashville.org scientology-ccnewyork.org scientology-ccportland.org scientology-ccvienna.org scientology-columbus.org scientology-detroit.org scientology-durban.org scientology-johannesburgnorth.org scientology-kitchener.org scientology-losangeles.org scientology-losgatos.org scientology-newhaven.org scientology-newyork.org scientology-orlando.org scientology-ottawa.org scientology-portelizabeth.org scientology-pretoria.org scientology-saltlakecity scientology-sydney.org scientology-tampa.org scientology-toronto.org scientology-winnipeg.org scientologyethics.org- (Isn't that an oxymoron?) scientologyexpo.net scientologyhandbook.org scientologytoday.org scripturalscientology.net- (See below) scripturalscientology.org- (Why didn't they also register .com, .edu. .mil, or .gov?) standardscientology.net traditionalscientology.org- (As if it goes back hundreds of years) truescientology.org ultimatescientology.org- (Ultimate! Oh Jeez! LOL, ....The Ultimate!!!!!) whatisscientology.org List 2. Keyword: Hubbard. actualhubbard.org aboutlronhubbard.org authentichubbard.com authentichubbard.org doctrinalhubbard.com essentialhubbard.com exacthubbard.org genuinehubbard.com hubbardcollege.org- (Not accreditted anywhere!) lronhubbard.org- (The main site for all things Hubbard) lronhubbardprofile.org- (Doesn't mention his criminal record, or his bigamy.) lronhubbardtribute.org- (Yaaaaaaay, Hubbard!!!) realhubbard.org recognizedhubbard.org ronthemusicmaker.org ronthephilosopher.org ronthepoet.org ronthewriter.org traditionalhubbard.org truehubbard.org List 3. Keyword: Dianetics. accepteddianetics.org basicdianetics.org dianetics.org- (The main site with this keyword.) dianeticsfoundation.org doctrinaldianetics.org essentialdianetics.org neweradianetics.org traditionaldianetics.org ultimatedianetics.org- (The ULTIMATE!!! LOL) List 4. Keywords: Training & Auditting. acceptedtraining.org approvedtraining.org auditting.org authentictraining.net authentictraining.org basicauditting.net conventionaltraining.net correctauditting.org correcttraining.com- doctrinaltraining.org exactauditting.org exacttraining.org fundamentalauditting.org fundamentaltraining.net goodauditting.org goodtraining.org- (Tis good training m'lord, I'd like some more please.) loyaltraining.net- (Loyal? I'm almost affraid to ask.) propertraining.org puretraining.net scripturaltraining.org trainingsuccess.com List 5. Keyword: Narconon. friendsofnarconon.org- (Friends of? Sounds like a fan club) narconon.org- ( Don't confuse it with the legitimate rehab program NarcAnon.) narconon-books.com- ($$$) narconon-drug-education.com narconon-facts.com narconon-founder.com narconon-help.com narconon-rehab.com narcononcenter.com narconconsultant.com List 6. Narconon Feeder Sites. addictionalternatives.net-(The goal is to get you off of drugs and into $cientology) addictionca.com addictionresourceguide.com addiction2.com alcoholism2.com alternative-sentencing.com bedrugfree.org cocaineabuse.net cocaineaddiction.com crackcocaine2.com drug-rehabilitation-resource.com drugrehab.net drugawareness.org drugfreelife.net drugfreemarshals.org- ( Very sinister! Teaches kids; Drugs bad, Scientology good) drugsalvage.org drugs-information.org drug-prevention.org ecstasyabuse.net ecstasyaddiction.com ecstasy2.com family-drug-intervention.net heroinaddiction.com heroinaddiction2.com marijuanaaddiction.com methabuse.net methaddiction.com methamphetamineaddiction.com methadone2.com meth2.net- (These Co$ front groups sure are pervasive, aren't they) notodrugs-yestolife.com notodrugs-yestolife.org opiateaddiction.net potabuse.net- (Pot abuse? Oh come on!) saynotodrugs.com stopaddiction.com usnodrugs.com List 7. Miscellaneous and unsorted websites. able.org- (Association for Better Living and Education.) all-well.net amazingsketchcomedy.com- (Laughworks comedy troupe. Barely funny) aola.org- (Advanced Organization Los Angeles) aplusschool.com- (Another unaccreditted school for brainwashing kids) appliedscholastics.org- (Publishes bogus textbooks for Scientology schools) artistsforabetterworld.com authorservicesinc.com banshock.org- (One of the myriad of anti-psychiatry sites run by Co$) battlefieldearth.com battlefieldearth.net bernie.cncfamily.com- (Hilarius cult apologist site. Well worth the laugh) bigotwatch.net- (One of the myriad of anti-critic sites run by Co$) biztroubleshooter.com bredeweg.net- (Shills for Co$) bridgepub.com- (Hubbard's vanity press. The only people that will publish him) calranch.org- (Brainwash camp for kids) cats.org- (Citizens for an Alternative Tax System) catslv.org- (Same as above, but in Las Vegas) cbaa.org- (Concerned Businessmen blah blah) cchr.org- (The major anti-psychiatry site run by Co$) celebritycenter.org- (Rich people get special treatment in Scientology) choicemall.com citizensforsocialreform.org citycent.com- (Weak shill for Co$ here) clearwateracademy.org- (Another Co$ Brain Kamp) criminon.org- (Turns bad criminals into good Scientologists. There's a difference?) criminon-inc.org cultawarenessnetwork.org- (Now owned and run by Scientology!) dancenowacademy.com delphian.org- (Another unaccreditted Scientology skool) delphiboston.org- (In space, no one can hear you scream!) delphifl.org- (Another unaccreditted child warping factory, this one's in Florida) delphila.org- (Same as above, but in LosAngeles) dennisononline.com- (Another cloning operation) destinyoffreedom.com diplomabyexam.com effectivebusinesstools.com elearnaid.com emanationinc.com e-meter.org- (The gadget lives!) executive.com fantasticfiction.co.uk- (Site doesn't appear Co$ run, by has a weak shill to Hubbard) fieldauditors.com flag.org foundingchurchdc.org forf.org- (Freedom Of Religion Foundation) freedommag.org freedominclearwater.org- (As they slowly engulf the whole city) freedominla.org fso.org getincomm.com happyhouse.com- (A Nancy "voice of Bart Simpson" Cartwright run site) helplearn.org- (Hollywood Education and Literacy Program) hollanderconsultants.com itheta.org jiveaces.com keytolife.org kidsister.com- (Another Nancy cartwright run site) lewiscarrollacademy.org lifepositive.com madnation.org marriagesuccess.com- (Like Tom Cruise's successful marriage?) marysschoolhouse.org- (Hey Teacher!....Leave Those Kids Alone!) mentalhealthfacts.com mhsourcs.com mkranch.com- (Gulag for "troubled" kids of Co$ parents. Just send them away) mobileministers.com mojaveacademy.com- (Escape proof desert retreat for kids) musicalskills.com myhomepage.com newerapublications.com no-hate.org nwchildrensschool.com- (Keeps Co$ brats away from YOUR good kids) oca.org.uk offlines.org orientation.org our-home.org oursites.org parishioners.org purification.org- (They omit all the fatalities) psychassault.com- (They really hate those psychs) psychbusters.net psychiatrykills.org- (Oh the humanity!) psychinvestigator.com- (Do they dust for prints and wear fedoras?) psychoheresy-aware.org religiousapartheid.org- (And to think Hubbard actually supported apartheid) religiousfreedomwatch.com religioustolerance.net rmg-c.se - (Studemaskola, a child warping factory in Sweden) rtc.org- (Religious Technology Center. Co$ puppet government run by the CST) sainthill.org.uk- (They don't mention any of the deaths) smi.org sntp.net- (Say No To Psychiatry) sterling-management.com superphonics.com taxhelp.com- (We know what they do. wink-wink) theflaglandbase.org thenancyshow.com- (Nancy Cartwright again. No nudity, though. Darn!) theschool.com- (There's a legitimate school in Canada called Delphi. This aint it) theta.com theta.org- (Do you ever get sick of hearing the word theta, I sure do) thetacollectibles.com- (Pawn stuff so you can afford more courses) thetadata.com thetadirectory.com- (Cult phone directory. Thanx!) thetaromance.com- (They're not getting any) thetasingles.com- (Neither are they) thetaworld.com thewaytohappiness.org thinkclearly.org think-for-yourself.com- ( Ironic, huh?) tolerance2000.org truthbooks.com twth.org- (The Way To Happiness) vaacci.org- (Visual Artist Association Celebrity Center International) volunteerministers.org wise.org- (WISE was supposed to be disestablished in 1995) worldliteracy.org- (It's hard to brainwash the illiterate, or sell them books) writersofthefuture.com yarralinda.vic.edu.au- (An Australian child warping factory) yearstoyourhealth.com- (Shill site. Vast list of links to Co$) As always, I request updates, and corrections.

  
  

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  From: davis Sent: 4/11/2002 7:49 AM Here's is a couple hundred more Scientology and Scientology-related websites. Many of them have foreign domains, and also many of them were registered by Co$, but never used. Of the ones that aren't active, they were either reserved for future use, registered just to keep them out of the hands of critics and freezoners, and registered to fluff up Scientology's presence on the net and in search engines. cienciologia.cl- (.cl = Chile) cienciologia.org.mz- (.mx = Mexico) scientologi.ch- (.ch = Switzerland) scientologi.dk- (.dk = Denmark) scientologi.no- (.no = Norway) scientologie.ch scientologie.dk scientologist.ch scientologist.de- (.de = Germany) scientologist.dk scientologist.org.nz- (.nz = New Zealand) scientology.a.se- (.a = ?, .se = Sweden) scientology.as- (.as = American Samoa) scientology.ch scientology.cl scientology.co.at- (.co = ? probably commercial, .at = Austria) scientology.co.nz scientology.co.za- (.za = South Africa) scientology.com scientology.com.ar scientology.de scientology.hu- (.hu = Hungary) scientology.ie- (.ie = Ireland) scientology.net scientology.nu- (.nu = Niue. Is Co$ trying to conquer tiny islands in the Pacific?) scientology.ru- (.ru = Russia) scientology.org.ar- (.ar = Argentina) scientology.org.as scientology.org.au- (.au = Australia) scientology.org.ec- (.ec = Ecuador) scientology.org.il- (.il = Israel. As if they don't have enough problems already) scientology.nl- (.nl = Netherlands) scientology.org.nz scientology.org.pr- (.pr = Puerto Rico) scientology.org.uk- (.uk = United Kingdom) scientology.org.pw- (.pw = Palau) scientology.org.ru scientology.org.za scientology-annarbor.org scientology-aukland.org scientology-austin.org scientology-brisbane.org scientology-buffalo.org scientology-bulawayo.org scientology-capetown.org scientology-chicago.org scientology-edmonton.org scientology-harare.org scientology-hawaii.org scientology-longisland.org scientology-miami.org scientology-minneapolis.org scientology-pasadena.org scientology-perth.org scientology-philadelphia.org scientology-phoenix.org scientology-portland.org scientology-religion.org scientology-sacremento.org scientology-sandiego.org scientology-sanfrancisco.org scientology-sanjose.org scientology-santabarbara.org scientology-seattle.org scientology-stlouis.org scientology-valley.org scientology-washingtondc.org scientology.tm.fr- (.tm = ?, .fr = France) scientologyclear.org scientologycross.org szcientologia.org hubbard.de hubbard.dk hubbard.org hubbard.org.nz lrh.com lrhaudio.org lrhbio.org lrhbiography.org lrhgallery.com lrhlibrary.com lronhubbard.ch lronhubbard.cl lronhubbard.co.at lronhubbard.co.nz lronhubbard.co.za lronhubbard.com lronhubbard.de lronhubbard.dk lronhubbard.org.il lronhubbard.org.mx lronhubbard.org.nz lronhubbard.org.uk lronhubbardarchives.org lronhubbardbiography.org lronhubbardgallery.com lronhubbardlibrary.com lronhubbardtrust.com- (Isn't thiscrazy?) dianetica.cl dianetica.org.mx dianetics.ch dianetics.cl dianetics.co.at dianetics.co.nz dianetics.com dianetics.cx- (.cx = China) dianetics.de dianetics.dk dianetics.org.il dianetics.org.mx dianetics.org.nz dianetics.org.uk dianetics.pl- (.pl = Poland) dianetics.st- (.st = Portugal) dianeticsauditor.org dianeticsclear.org dianetik.de dianetique.ch dianetique.dk expandeddianetics.org neweradianetics.com neweradianetics.dk neweradianetics.org.nz auditednots.com auditednots.org auditorsassociation.org soloauditor.org theauditor.org narconon.com drugfreemarshalls.org- (The other one was spelled with one 'L', so now they own them both. Very clever, eh?) drugrehabilitation.org ableint.org advancedcourses.org advancedorganization.org advancedtechnology.org aoshanzo.org- (Advanced Org Saint Hill, Australia, New Zealand, Oceania, etc) aosheu.org- (Advanced Org Saint Hill Europe) appliedscholastics.ch arcstraightwire.com arcstraightwire.org asho.org- (Americam Saint Hill Org) battlefieldearthfilm.com bebook.com- (Battlefield Earth Book) bemovie.com bookone.ch bookone.de bookone.dk bookone.org bookone.org.nz cause.com celebrity.org churchofspiritualtec.org clear.org clearbodyclearmind.org clearedplanet.org- (Oh, Puh-lease!) clearhorizons.org clearnews.org clearplanet.org- (Ever get sick of hearing the word 'Clear', I do?) clearsound.com clearsound.org clearviews.org codeofhoner.org- (In case they ever get honor they'll have a website for it.) criminon.ch csttech.org- (Church of Spiritual Technology. Actual owners of Scientology) dmsmh.org dynamicsoflife.org educationalive.org e-meter.ch e-meter.com e-meter.dk falsepurposerundown.org fearbook.com febc.ch- (?) febc.com febc.dk fieldstaffmember.org flagliasonoffice.org folo.org fourthdynamic.org freedom.de freedom.dk freedom.org.nz freetheta.org freewinds.org fsm.org fsso.org goldeneraproductions.org goldline.org happinessrundown.org hcob.org hcopl.org hdf.org- (?) hdrf.org- (?) highwinds.org hotline.org ihelp.org illustratorsoffuture.com ilof.com incomm.org keyout.org keytolife.ch keytolife.com keytolife.de keytolife.dk kswnews.org- (Sounds like a radio station; you are listening to K-S-W News!) lifeimprovement.org lifeorientation.org liferepair.org lifestatic.org manorhotel.org marksupervii.org- ( The latest model. Get 'em while supplies last!) markv.org- (An American classic!) masterpieceeditions.com missionearth.com moralcodes.org- (Why?) methodone.org- (Method One, not methadone spelled wrong) morals.org- (Stop it, your killing me.) myphilosophy.org ned.dk ned.org.nz nep.org newcivilization.org- (Hey Co$, what will you do with the old civilization?) newera.org newerapublications.de newerapublications.org newliferundown.org newvitalityrundown.org newworldcorps.org- (Ugh! Dare I ask?) nots.com nots.de nots.dk nots.org.nz oca.org.nz- (Remember folks, Co$ doesn't own the OCA copyright) osaint.org- (OSA Int) ot.org ot.org.nz otambassador.org otcommittee.org othatting.org otlevels.org otmaterial.org otpreps.org otviii.org professionaltrs.org purification.ch purification.dk purification.org.nz purificationrundown.com purificationrundown.org randd.org researchanddiscovery.org revoltinthestars.com revoltinthestarsfilm.com roadtotruth.org- ( Highway to Hell) rtcinspectorgeneral.org rtsthemovie.com sainthill.ch sainthill.dk sainthill.org sainthill.org.nz seaorg.org- (Say that ten times fast) selfanalysis.org shsbc.org- (?) socialreform.org- (aka 'Lock Up The Wogs') solonots.org standardadmin.org standardtech.org static.org storyofbookone.org studenthat.org sunshinerundown.org superliterate.org superpower.org thebridge.org- (I'm just lookin' for a bridge. Where's that confounded bridge?) thecrusader.org- (Here's one for The Crusader) thehappinessclub.com theroadtofreedom.org- (A severe Toll road) thetabeing.org thetaclear.org thetan.org thewalloffire.org- (And it's Hot Hot Hot!) universecorps.org- (Space Camp, anyone?) wise.ch wise.org.uk wordclearing.org worldliteracycrusade.org wotf.com- (Writers of the future) writersofthefuture.com Remember, many of these were registered in 1996, but never active. Also I encourage additions and corrections.

  
  

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  From: davis Sent: 4/12/2002 10:07 AM Here is another long list of CoS related websites for ya. All most all of them are businesses that are owned and run by, or started by Scientologists. They are alphabetic by website, and most of them are active. I culled most of them from "Thetadirectory" and from Tilman Hauserr's site, so most of them are really from some WISE listing. Also, as you will see many of the, are get-rich-quick style schemes, or vitamins sales. In any case it should help you to know which businesses to not do business with, and which products and sevices to boycott. Remember; giving these people money is giving Scientology money. Please don't feed the octopus!!! achievergroup.com acsla.com ad-one.com aidenpiers.com airespring.com alarmgermany.com- (The poor, poor mistreatment of Co$ in Germany, boo-hoo.) allgrund.com autonetix.com advanceddentalcare.com adveritsing.com- (No, this is not a spelling error.) adaptonutrients.com admintech.com aestheticwebdesign.com afterburnerdesign.com aktion-dialog.ch angiescosmetics.com appliedsilliness.com arcmusic.com artbymarkleavitt.com atobloans.com axiomint.com babousa.org bamboogrovebooks.com baren.com baumhedlund.com beinfushi.com beitler.com bigwheelcreative.com billgood.com boingo.com borgmanconsulting.com bostonbrick.com brennanlaw.com bridge21.com bruningpottery.com bulldogcapitol.com business-success.at buyadvantage.com calmag.com candcmanning.com caroleandjans.com carolputnam.com carsearchinc.com ccpet.com cda-inc.com cdassociates.com celltech.com- (Avoid this at all cost!) chandlerssoaps.com- (Made from human tallow, MWAHAHAHA!!) chickcorea.com christmasgifts.com cintronics.com clarityauthoring.com cleanac.com clearimages.com clsouth.com coboltools.com communicate-now.com competencesw.com concepttechnologies.com consultu.com corbo.net corium21.com cornelius.dk/art crusecontrol.com csrpac.org- (A Co$ Political Action Committe in California) curative.com daniellsandassociates.com darkhorseranch.com davidmorse.com dennelfinancial.com dianev.com dianeklein.com doctorrelation.com dohring.com dse-inc.com dsipestcontrol.com- (At cause over termites. Termites today, wogs tomorrow.) emortgagetech.com execonmedia.dk execsoft.com fasenet.com ffg.com financialrescue.com fitgolf.com foravisausa.com futuregenerationhealth.com garyaustinadvertising.com gcw.com geekconsulting.com graphicpark.net greenfieldsschool.com gr8birth.com healthmagicfreelife.com herbcoach.com herbsexpress.com highschooldiploma.com ht-sys.com ihr.org intes.com jaffe2.com jandjroofing.com- (At cause over leaky roofs) jantek.com jjackson-tax-attorneys.com kampsdesigngroup.com karens-health-boutique.com keyms.com larryshouse.com- (Counseling for miscreant Co$ children) laptopking.com- (Computer repair, not gay exotic dancers. ) lbcnetworks.com lite.sk livingart.com loan-solution.com madinteractive.com magic4travel.com magna.net manmadesouls.com- (A Co$ rock band?!) mcvitamins.com- (Those Co$ members really sell lots of vitamins) moatzart.com moonlightaccessories.com mtgpublishing.com musicalskills.com naturevites.com- (Another vitamin dealer) naturesbotanicals.com- (And another) northernpacificmortgage.com nu-clear.com onestepdata.com patrickmarketing.com pcwiz.com- (He's the wiz! Nobody beats the wiz! Nobody!) postcardmania.com powerfultech.nexgen3000.com powerplusclub.com precision-resources.com pressenet.dk proskauer.com- ( Co$ Attornies in New Jersey) rbcomputer.com rejuvinique.com relaypoint.com- (Co$ ISP) rioplatasoftware.com rivendell.com scbinternet.com sgpromo.com shawhealthcenter.com shearperfect.com sonatapublishing.com sterlingdentist.com sunbelt-software.com susigalloway.com sts1.com talleytransinc.com tandlproductions.com thecommline.com thedebttrap.com- (Supposed to help get you "out" of debt. I'm suspicious.) thepeoplelink.com- (A Co$ employment service) thepodiatrist.com thetavites.com thetaxpeople.com tjclarkminerals.com totaltaxsolutions.com travel-ascending.com tristargraphix.com 2001.web.pt ultimatesitepromotion.com viewclearwaterhomes.com- (Guess where they are located???) wemar.hr- (.hr = Croatia) wiseman-burke.com wordsinarow.com wwstudios.com www-vitamins.com- (More vitamins. Total URL has 6 w's in it. World record!) I've got about another to 100 to post after this batch. Probably get to it Monday. Again, if anyone spots errors, or has more to add just go ahead.

  
  

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  From: davis Sent: 4/15/2002 7:18 AM And here is another list of Scientology owned, or run, companies. Most of them are small businesses. I got most of these from Tilman Hausherr's site. Anyway, here we go. affinity-exchange.com beaconpictures.com bgalgae.com- (Of Blue-Green algae MLM style fame.) billysheehan.com- (Bass player for Niacin. Yeah that's a real cool name for a rock group) business.com cathysegalgarcia.com ccnmag.com celestialnavigators.com convergemag.com designline.com designstrategies.com docwong.com drclark.com drainpatrol.com- ( At cause over plumbing) dunlopracing.com dux.com earthlink.net- (A big one!) ecompanies.com elvis.com- (Yup, the king's heirs are cultmembers) emdesigns.com environmentalhouse.com fatpipeu.com fcscollect.com flaschexpansion.com fl-realestate.com fortresstech.com frontsight.com- (Scientologists with guns? Footbullet U.?) gandgvitamins.com- (More vitamin dealers) gemstar-realty.com gerbino.com govtech.com greyhoundpartners.com happypaws.com harrietschuck.com hightechbiz.com hobbyrat.com immac.nu immobilienboerse.com inntechnology.com jackieandleah.com jeschke.com jobfit.com kenwalt.com kroisscancercenter.com- (Take-out and delivery) ldsledge.com lendinguniverse.com lewisbass.com lightwave.com- (Digital Lightwave. DO NOT INVEST! FRAUD ALERT!) lipoet.com lisamariepresley.com- (Elvis' daughter is a cultmember, so sad) lisa-marie-presley.com margreiter.com marinenv.com mattsgarage.com mcpheeandassociates.com micro2000.com miraclemethod.com mishasegal.com mrjimspizza.com mrmoco.com mstafford.com msm-hgh.com nationalassociation.com- (...of what?) nativestate.com naturalbalance.com networkingdynamics.com neweraradio.com nutrina.com nutsandvolts.com olsongraphics.com omnitronix.com onelook.com 1stepdata.com onestoppeshoppe.com- (Ye Olde spelling is back on toppe) ontargetresearch.com opinionsurveys.com organized-living.com- (Keep YOUR chainlocker beautiful) pacificmanagement.com pagemaster.com pandasoftware.com pasobeats.com pege.com phantastic-art.com- (Is Phabulous! Can phame and phortune be phar behind?) ramsupport.com rbac.com real-knowledge.com recordinginstitute.com religiousfreedomwatch.org remaljeringsbolaget.com renaissancespeakers.com retailpo.com rigneygraphics.com roboticparking.com rotenbergsculpture.com schippers.com seeklost.com silhouet.dk silhouet.nl silhouet.se smithroofing.com snowsoft.com snydermfg.com spohnseminare.de storytelleronline.com stout1.com studytech.com suddenlyslender.com superbikeschool.com survivalinsurance.com- (These guys got busted by the Better Business Bureau) sweetwheat.com systematicapproach.com tcm-tschuppert.ch technasource.com technology-group.com.au techsell.com teddybeartown.com telsoft.com teutsch-verlag.de texas-services.com- (Just a real estate office) thedebtsolution.com thesitesite.com- (Good griefgrief!) the-rubb.com thetalink.com thunderway.com tock.com trainorprinting.com troycousa.com truecolors.com tswinternational.com u-man.be- (.be = Belgium) uptrends.com van-garde.com vcommdesign.com view360.com visiosonic.com vitals.nl vites.com warnersisters.com web-promotion.net weiss-gallery.com wheresthecash.com- (A common Scientology query) whitman-hall.com writersscriptnetwork.com wwc.com- (Wireless Webconnect. Another big one) Remember: Giving money to these companies is giving money to Scientology. Please don't feed the octopus!!! Feel free to add updates and corrections.

  
  

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  From: davis Sent: 4/16/2002 8:23 AM A few more unique domains. They are starting to get harder to find. goodscientology.com lascientologie.com scientology.mw- (.mw = Malawi) scientology-atlanta.org scientology-melbourne.org scientology-mountainview.org scientology-orangecounty.org scn.org.il lronhubbard.am- (.am = Armenia) dianetica.it- (.it = Italy) dianetics.md- (.md = Moldova) daliland.com kathichesnut.com life-improvement.com

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  The following is an extensive list of Scientology owned and operated websites, front companies, so-called charitible organizations, social betterment agencies, businesses run by Scientologists, sites that shill for or point to Scientology , and also some of the many registered domains that are not active sites,....yet. You will also notice that Scientology has went above and beyond, in their hysteria to register domain names with certain keywords, and certain themes in them. This looks like madness to me. Instead of listing every site in alphabetical order, I separated them in to groups so you can see what I mean, in reference to certain keywords. The first list contains domains with the word Scientology in it somewhere, and so forth, and an occasional description or a remark by me. So, off we go, enjoy List 1. Keyword: Scientology. acceptedscientology.org actualscientology.net authenticscientology.org basicscientology.net bonafidescientology.org cienciologia.org essentialscientology.net exactscientology.org fundamentalscientology.net originalscientology.org properscientology.org realscientology.com- (are we having fun yet?) recognizedscientology.net rightscientology.com rightscientology.net scientologists.org scientology.org- (this is the main site, where all the tentacles meet) scientology-adelaide.org scientology-albuquerque.org scientology-canberra.org scientology-ccdallas.org- (the cc stands for Celebrity Center) scientology-cclasvegas.org scientology-ccnashville.org scientology-ccnewyork.org scientology-ccportland.org scientology-ccvienna.org scientology-columbus.org scientology-detroit.org scientology-durban.org scientology-johannesburgnorth.org scientology-kitchener.org scientology-losangeles.org scientology-losgatos.org scientology-newhaven.org scientology-newyork.org scientology-orlando.org scientology-ottawa.org scientology-portelizabeth.org scientology-pretoria.org scientology-saltlakecity scientology-sydney.org scientology-tampa.org scientology-toronto.org scientology-winnipeg.org scientologyethics.org- (Isn't that an oxymoron?) scientologyexpo.net scientologyhandbook.org scientologytoday.org scripturalscientology.net- (See below) scripturalscientology.org- (Why didn't they also register .com, .edu. .mil, or .gov?) standardscientology.net traditionalscientology.org- (As if it goes back hundreds of years) truescientology.org ultimatescientology.org- (Ultimate! Oh Jeez! LOL, ....The Ultimate!!!!!) whatisscientology.org List 2. Keyword: Hubbard. actualhubbard.org aboutlronhubbard.org authentichubbard.com authentichubbard.org doctrinalhubbard.com essentialhubbard.com exacthubbard.org genuinehubbard.com hubbardcollege.org- (Not accreditted anywhere!) lronhubbard.org- (The main site for all things Hubbard) lronhubbardprofile.org- (Doesn't mention his criminal record, or his bigamy.) lronhubbardtribute.org- (Yaaaaaaay, Hubbard!!!) realhubbard.org recognizedhubbard.org ronthemusicmaker.org ronthephilosopher.org ronthepoet.org ronthewriter.org traditionalhubbard.org truehubbard.org List 3. Keyword: Dianetics. accepteddianetics.org basicdianetics.org dianetics.org- (The main site with this keyword.) dianeticsfoundation.org doctrinaldianetics.org essentialdianetics.org neweradianetics.org traditionaldianetics.org ultimatedianetics.org- (The ULTIMATE!!! LOL) List 4. Keywords: Training & Auditting. acceptedtraining.org approvedtraining.org auditting.org authentictraining.net authentictraining.org basicauditting.net conventionaltraining.net correctauditting.org correcttraining.com- doctrinaltraining.org exactauditting.org exacttraining.org fundamentalauditting.org fundamentaltraining.net goodauditting.org goodtraining.org- (Tis good training m'lord, I'd like some more please.) loyaltraining.net- (Loyal? I'm almost affraid to ask.) propertraining.org puretraining.net scripturaltraining.org trainingsuccess.com List 5. Keyword: Narconon. friendsofnarconon.org- (Friends of? Sounds like a fan club) narconon.org- ( Don't confuse it with the legitimate rehab program NarcAnon.) narconon-books.com- ($$$) narconon-drug-education.com narconon-facts.com narconon-founder.com narconon-help.com narconon-rehab.com narcononcenter.com narconconsultant.com List 6. Narconon Feeder Sites. addictionalternatives.net-(The goal is to get you off of drugs and into $cientology) addictionca.com addictionresourceguide.com addiction2.com alcoholism2.com alternative-sentencing.com bedrugfree.org cocaineabuse.net cocaineaddiction.com crackcocaine2.com drug-rehabilitation-resource.com drugrehab.net drugawareness.org drugfreelife.net drugfreemarshals.org- ( Very sinister! Teaches kids; Drugs bad, Scientology good) drugsalvage.org drugs-information.org drug-prevention.org ecstasyabuse.net ecstasyaddiction.com ecstasy2.com family-drug-intervention.net heroinaddiction.com heroinaddiction2.com marijuanaaddiction.com methabuse.net methaddiction.com methamphetamineaddiction.com methadone2.com meth2.net- (These Co$ front groups sure are pervasive, aren't they) notodrugs-yestolife.com notodrugs-yestolife.org opiateaddiction.net potabuse.net- (Pot abuse? Oh come on!) saynotodrugs.com stopaddiction.com usnodrugs.com List 7. Miscellaneous and unsorted websites. able.org- (Association for Better Living and Education.) all-well.net amazingsketchcomedy.com- (Laughworks comedy troupe. Barely funny) aola.org- (Advanced Organization Los Angeles) aplusschool.com- (Another unaccreditted school for brainwashing kids) appliedscholastics.org- (Publishes bogus textbooks for Scientology schools) artistsforabetterworld.com authorservicesinc.com banshock.org- (One of the myriad of anti-psychiatry sites run by Co$) battlefieldearth.com battlefieldearth.net bernie.cncfamily.com- (Hilarius cult apologist site. Well worth the laugh) bigotwatch.net- (One of the myriad of anti-critic sites run by Co$) biztroubleshooter.com bredeweg.net- (Shills for Co$) bridgepub.com- (Hubbard's vanity press. The only people that will publish him) calranch.org- (Brainwash camp for kids) cats.org- (Citizens for an Alternative Tax System) catslv.org- (Same as above, but in Las Vegas) cbaa.org- (Concerned Businessmen blah blah) cchr.org- (The major anti-psychiatry site run by Co$) celebritycenter.org- (Rich people get special treatment in Scientology) choicemall.com citizensforsocialreform.org citycent.com- (Weak shill for Co$ here) clearwateracademy.org- (Another Co$ Brain Kamp) criminon.org- (Turns bad criminals into good Scientologists. There's a difference?) criminon-inc.org cultawarenessnetwork.org- (Now owned and run by Scientology!) dancenowacademy.com delphian.org- (Another unaccreditted Scientology skool) delphiboston.org- (In space, no one can hear you scream!) delphifl.org- (Another unaccreditted child warping factory, this one's in Florida) delphila.org- (Same as above, but in LosAngeles) dennisononline.com- (Another cloning operation) destinyoffreedom.com diplomabyexam.com effectivebusinesstools.com elearnaid.com emanationinc.com e-meter.org- (The gadget lives!) executive.com fantasticfiction.co.uk- (Site doesn't appear Co$ run, by has a weak shill to Hubbard) fieldauditors.com flag.org foundingchurchdc.org forf.org- (Freedom Of Religion Foundation) freedommag.org freedominclearwater.org- (As they slowly engulf the whole city) freedominla.org fso.org getincomm.com happyhouse.com- (A Nancy "voice of Bart Simpson" Cartwright run site) helplearn.org- (Hollywood Education and Literacy Program) hollanderconsultants.com itheta.org jiveaces.com keytolife.org kidsister.com- (Another Nancy cartwright run site) lewiscarrollacademy.org lifepositive.com madnation.org marriagesuccess.com- (Like Tom Cruise's successful marriage?) marysschoolhouse.org- (Hey Teacher!....Leave Those Kids Alone!) mentalhealthfacts.com mhsourcs.com mkranch.com- (Gulag for "troubled" kids of Co$ parents. Just send them away) mobileministers.com mojaveacademy.com- (Escape proof desert retreat for kids) musicalskills.com myhomepage.com newerapublications.com no-hate.org nwchildrensschool.com- (Keeps Co$ brats away from YOUR good kids) oca.org.uk offlines.org orientation.org our-home.org oursites.org parishioners.org purification.org- (They omit all the fatalities) psychassault.com- (They really hate those psychs) psychbusters.net psychiatrykills.org- (Oh the humanity!) psychinvestigator.com- (Do they dust for prints and wear fedoras?) psychoheresy-aware.org religiousapartheid.org- (And to think Hubbard actually supported apartheid) religiousfreedomwatch.com religioustolerance.net rmg-c.se - (Studemaskola, a child warping factory in Sweden) rtc.org- (Religious Technology Center. Co$ puppet government run by the CST) sainthill.org.uk- (They don't mention any of the deaths) smi.org sntp.net- (Say No To Psychiatry) sterling-management.com superphonics.com taxhelp.com- (We know what they do. wink-wink) theflaglandbase.org thenancyshow.com- (Nancy Cartwright again. No nudity, though. Darn!) theschool.com- (There's a legitimate school in Canada called Delphi. This aint it) theta.com theta.org- (Do you ever get sick of hearing the word theta, I sure do) thetacollectibles.com- (Pawn stuff so you can afford more courses) thetadata.com thetadirectory.com- (Cult phone directory. Thanx!) thetaromance.com- (They're not getting any) thetasingles.com- (Neither are they) thetaworld.com thewaytohappiness.org thinkclearly.org think-for-yourself.com- ( Ironic, huh?) tolerance2000.org truthbooks.com twth.org- (The Way To Happiness) vaacci.org- (Visual Artist Association Celebrity Center International) volunteerministers.org wise.org- (WISE was supposed to be disestablished in 1995) worldliteracy.org- (It's hard to brainwash the illiterate, or sell them books) writersofthefuture.com yarralinda.vic.edu.au- (An Australian child warping factory) yearstoyourhealth.com- (Shill site. Vast list of links to Co$) As always, I request updates, and corrections.

  
  

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  From: davis Sent: 4/11/2002 7:49 AM Here's is a couple hundred more Scientology and Scientology-related websites. Many of them have foreign domains, and also many of them were registered by Co$, but never used. Of the ones that aren't active, they were either reserved for future use, registered just to keep them out of the hands of critics and freezoners, and registered to fluff up Scientology's presence on the net and in search engines. cienciologia.cl- (.cl = Chile) cienciologia.org.mz- (.mx = Mexico) scientologi.ch- (.ch = Switzerland) scientologi.dk- (.dk = Denmark) scientologi.no- (.no = Norway) scientologie.ch scientologie.dk scientologist.ch scientologist.de- (.de = Germany) scientologist.dk scientologist.org.nz- (.nz = New Zealand) scientology.a.se- (.a = ?, .se = Sweden) scientology.as- (.as = American Samoa) scientology.ch scientology.cl scientology.co.at- (.co = ? probably commercial, .at = Austria) scientology.co.nz scientology.co.za- (.za = South Africa) scientology.com scientology.com.ar scientology.de scientology.hu- (.hu = Hungary) scientology.ie- (.ie = Ireland) scientology.net scientology.nu- (.nu = Niue. Is Co$ trying to conquer tiny islands in the Pacific?) scientology.ru- (.ru = Russia) scientology.org.ar- (.ar = Argentina) scientology.org.as scientology.org.au- (.au = Australia) scientology.org.ec- (.ec = Ecuador) scientology.org.il- (.il = Israel. As if they don't have enough problems already) scientology.nl- (.nl = Netherlands) scientology.org.nz scientology.org.pr- (.pr = Puerto Rico) scientology.org.uk- (.uk = United Kingdom) scientology.org.pw- (.pw = Palau) scientology.org.ru scientology.org.za scientology-annarbor.org scientology-aukland.org scientology-austin.org scientology-brisbane.org scientology-buffalo.org scientology-bulawayo.org scientology-capetown.org scientology-chicago.org scientology-edmonton.org scientology-harare.org scientology-hawaii.org scientology-longisland.org scientology-miami.org scientology-minneapolis.org scientology-pasadena.org scientology-perth.org scientology-philadelphia.org scientology-phoenix.org scientology-portland.org scientology-religion.org scientology-sacremento.org scientology-sandiego.org scientology-sanfrancisco.org scientology-sanjose.org scientology-santabarbara.org scientology-seattle.org scientology-stlouis.org scientology-valley.org scientology-washingtondc.org scientology.tm.fr- (.tm = ?, .fr = France) scientologyclear.org scientologycross.org szcientologia.org hubbard.de hubbard.dk hubbard.org hubbard.org.nz lrh.com lrhaudio.org lrhbio.org lrhbiography.org lrhgallery.com lrhlibrary.com lronhubbard.ch lronhubbard.cl lronhubbard.co.at lronhubbard.co.nz lronhubbard.co.za lronhubbard.com lronhubbard.de lronhubbard.dk lronhubbard.org.il lronhubbard.org.mx lronhubbard.org.nz lronhubbard.org.uk lronhubbardarchives.org lronhubbardbiography.org lronhubbardgallery.com lronhubbardlibrary.com lronhubbardtrust.com- (Isn't thiscrazy?) dianetica.cl dianetica.org.mx dianetics.ch dianetics.cl dianetics.co.at dianetics.co.nz dianetics.com dianetics.cx- (.cx = China) dianetics.de dianetics.dk dianetics.org.il dianetics.org.mx dianetics.org.nz dianetics.org.uk dianetics.pl- (.pl = Poland) dianetics.st- (.st = Portugal) dianeticsauditor.org dianeticsclear.org dianetik.de dianetique.ch dianetique.dk expandeddianetics.org neweradianetics.com neweradianetics.dk neweradianetics.org.nz auditednots.com auditednots.org auditorsassociation.org soloauditor.org theauditor.org narconon.com drugfreemarshalls.org- (The other one was spelled with one 'L', so now they own them both. Very clever, eh?) drugrehabilitation.org ableint.org advancedcourses.org advancedorganization.org advancedtechnology.org aoshanzo.org- (Advanced Org Saint Hill, Australia, New Zealand, Oceania, etc) aosheu.org- (Advanced Org Saint Hill Europe) appliedscholastics.ch arcstraightwire.com arcstraightwire.org asho.org- (Americam Saint Hill Org) battlefieldearthfilm.com bebook.com- (Battlefield Earth Book) bemovie.com bookone.ch bookone.de bookone.dk bookone.org bookone.org.nz cause.com celebrity.org churchofspiritualtec.org clear.org clearbodyclearmind.org clearedplanet.org- (Oh, Puh-lease!) clearhorizons.org clearnews.org clearplanet.org- (Ever get sick of hearing the word 'Clear', I do?) clearsound.com clearsound.org clearviews.org codeofhoner.org- (In case they ever get honor they'll have a website for it.) criminon.ch csttech.org- (Church of Spiritual Technology. Actual owners of Scientology) dmsmh.org dynamicsoflife.org educationalive.org e-meter.ch e-meter.com e-meter.dk falsepurposerundown.org fearbook.com febc.ch- (?) febc.com febc.dk fieldstaffmember.org flagliasonoffice.org folo.org fourthdynamic.org freedom.de freedom.dk freedom.org.nz freetheta.org freewinds.org fsm.org fsso.org goldeneraproductions.org goldline.org happinessrundown.org hcob.org hcopl.org hdf.org- (?) hdrf.org- (?) highwinds.org hotline.org ihelp.org illustratorsoffuture.com ilof.com incomm.org keyout.org keytolife.ch keytolife.com keytolife.de keytolife.dk kswnews.org- (Sounds like a radio station; you are listening to K-S-W News!) lifeimprovement.org lifeorientation.org liferepair.org lifestatic.org manorhotel.org marksupervii.org- ( The latest model. Get 'em while supplies last!) markv.org- (An American classic!) masterpieceeditions.com missionearth.com moralcodes.org- (Why?) methodone.org- (Method One, not methadone spelled wrong) morals.org- (Stop it, your killing me.) myphilosophy.org ned.dk ned.org.nz nep.org newcivilization.org- (Hey Co$, what will you do with the old civilization?) newera.org newerapublications.de newerapublications.org newliferundown.org newvitalityrundown.org newworldcorps.org- (Ugh! Dare I ask?) nots.com nots.de nots.dk nots.org.nz oca.org.nz- (Remember folks, Co$ doesn't own the OCA copyright) osaint.org- (OSA Int) ot.org ot.org.nz otambassador.org otcommittee.org othatting.org otlevels.org otmaterial.org otpreps.org otviii.org professionaltrs.org purification.ch purification.dk purification.org.nz purificationrundown.com purificationrundown.org randd.org researchanddiscovery.org revoltinthestars.com revoltinthestarsfilm.com roadtotruth.org- ( Highway to Hell) rtcinspectorgeneral.org rtsthemovie.com sainthill.ch sainthill.dk sainthill.org sainthill.org.nz seaorg.org- (Say that ten times fast) selfanalysis.org shsbc.org- (?) socialreform.org- (aka 'Lock Up The Wogs') solonots.org standardadmin.org standardtech.org static.org storyofbookone.org studenthat.org sunshinerundown.org superliterate.org superpower.org thebridge.org- (I'm just lookin' for a bridge. Where's that confounded bridge?) thecrusader.org- (Here's one for The Crusader) thehappinessclub.com theroadtofreedom.org- (A severe Toll road) thetabeing.org thetaclear.org thetan.org thewalloffire.org- (And it's Hot Hot Hot!) universecorps.org- (Space Camp, anyone?) wise.ch wise.org.uk wordclearing.org worldliteracycrusade.org wotf.com- (Writers of the future) writersofthefuture.com Remember, many of these were registered in 1996, but never active. Also I encourage additions and corrections.

  
  

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  From: davis Sent: 4/12/2002 10:07 AM Here is another long list of CoS related websites for ya. All most all of them are businesses that are owned and run by, or started by Scientologists. They are alphabetic by website, and most of them are active. I culled most of them from "Thetadirectory" and from Tilman Hauserr's site, so most of them are really from some WISE listing. Also, as you will see many of the, are get-rich-quick style schemes, or vitamins sales. In any case it should help you to know which businesses to not do business with, and which products and sevices to boycott. Remember; giving these people money is giving Scientology money. Please don't feed the octopus!!! achievergroup.com acsla.com ad-one.com aidenpiers.com airespring.com alarmgermany.com- (The poor, poor mistreatment of Co$ in Germany, boo-hoo.) allgrund.com autonetix.com advanceddentalcare.com adveritsing.com- (No, this is not a spelling error.) adaptonutrients.com admintech.com aestheticwebdesign.com afterburnerdesign.com aktion-dialog.ch angiescosmetics.com appliedsilliness.com arcmusic.com artbymarkleavitt.com atobloans.com axiomint.com babousa.org bamboogrovebooks.com baren.com baumhedlund.com beinfushi.com beitler.com bigwheelcreative.com billgood.com boingo.com borgmanconsulting.com bostonbrick.com brennanlaw.com bridge21.com bruningpottery.com bulldogcapitol.com business-success.at buyadvantage.com calmag.com candcmanning.com caroleandjans.com carolputnam.com carsearchinc.com ccpet.com cda-inc.com cdassociates.com celltech.com- (Avoid this at all cost!) chandlerssoaps.com- (Made from human tallow, MWAHAHAHA!!) chickcorea.com christmasgifts.com cintronics.com clarityauthoring.com cleanac.com clearimages.com clsouth.com coboltools.com communicate-now.com competencesw.com concepttechnologies.com consultu.com corbo.net corium21.com cornelius.dk/art crusecontrol.com csrpac.org- (A Co$ Political Action Committe in California) curative.com daniellsandassociates.com darkhorseranch.com davidmorse.com dennelfinancial.com dianev.com dianeklein.com doctorrelation.com dohring.com dse-inc.com dsipestcontrol.com- (At cause over termites. Termites today, wogs tomorrow.) emortgagetech.com execonmedia.dk execsoft.com fasenet.com ffg.com financialrescue.com fitgolf.com foravisausa.com futuregenerationhealth.com garyaustinadvertising.com gcw.com geekconsulting.com graphicpark.net greenfieldsschool.com gr8birth.com healthmagicfreelife.com herbcoach.com herbsexpress.com highschooldiploma.com ht-sys.com ihr.org intes.com jaffe2.com jandjroofing.com- (At cause over leaky roofs) jantek.com jjackson-tax-attorneys.com kampsdesigngroup.com karens-health-boutique.com keyms.com larryshouse.com- (Counseling for miscreant Co$ children) laptopking.com- (Computer repair, not gay exotic dancers. ) lbcnetworks.com lite.sk livingart.com loan-solution.com madinteractive.com magic4travel.com magna.net manmadesouls.com- (A Co$ rock band?!) mcvitamins.com- (Those Co$ members really sell lots of vitamins) moatzart.com moonlightaccessories.com mtgpublishing.com musicalskills.com naturevites.com- (Another vitamin dealer) naturesbotanicals.com- (And another) northernpacificmortgage.com nu-clear.com onestepdata.com patrickmarketing.com pcwiz.com- (He's the wiz! Nobody beats the wiz! Nobody!) postcardmania.com powerfultech.nexgen3000.com powerplusclub.com precision-resources.com pressenet.dk proskauer.com- ( Co$ Attornies in New Jersey) rbcomputer.com rejuvinique.com relaypoint.com- (Co$ ISP) rioplatasoftware.com rivendell.com scbinternet.com sgpromo.com shawhealthcenter.com shearperfect.com sonatapublishing.com sterlingdentist.com sunbelt-software.com susigalloway.com sts1.com talleytransinc.com tandlproductions.com thecommline.com thedebttrap.com- (Supposed to help get you "out" of debt. I'm suspicious.) thepeoplelink.com- (A Co$ employment service) thepodiatrist.com thetavites.com thetaxpeople.com tjclarkminerals.com totaltaxsolutions.com travel-ascending.com tristargraphix.com 2001.web.pt ultimatesitepromotion.com viewclearwaterhomes.com- (Guess where they are located???) wemar.hr- (.hr = Croatia) wiseman-burke.com wordsinarow.com wwstudios.com www-vitamins.com- (More vitamins. Total URL has 6 w's in it. World record!) I've got about another to 100 to post after this batch. Probably get to it Monday. Again, if anyone spots errors, or has more to add just go ahead.

  
  

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  From: davis Sent: 4/15/2002 7:18 AM And here is another list of Scientology owned, or run, companies. Most of them are small businesses. I got most of these from Tilman Hausherr's site. Anyway, here we go. affinity-exchange.com beaconpictures.com bgalgae.com- (Of Blue-Green algae MLM style fame.) billysheehan.com- (Bass player for Niacin. Yeah that's a real cool name for a rock group) business.com cathysegalgarcia.com ccnmag.com celestialnavigators.com convergemag.com designline.com designstrategies.com docwong.com drclark.com drainpatrol.com- ( At cause over plumbing) dunlopracing.com dux.com earthlink.net- (A big one!) ecompanies.com elvis.com- (Yup, the king's heirs are cultmembers) emdesigns.com environmentalhouse.com fatpipeu.com fcscollect.com flaschexpansion.com fl-realestate.com fortresstech.com frontsight.com- (Scientologists with guns? Footbullet U.?) gandgvitamins.com- (More vitamin dealers) gemstar-realty.com gerbino.com govtech.com greyhoundpartners.com happypaws.com harrietschuck.com hightechbiz.com hobbyrat.com immac.nu immobilienboerse.com inntechnology.com jackieandleah.com jeschke.com jobfit.com kenwalt.com kroisscancercenter.com- (Take-out and delivery) ldsledge.com lendinguniverse.com lewisbass.com lightwave.com- (Digital Lightwave. DO NOT INVEST! FRAUD ALERT!) lipoet.com lisamariepresley.com- (Elvis' daughter is a cultmember, so sad) lisa-marie-presley.com margreiter.com marinenv.com mattsgarage.com mcpheeandassociates.com micro2000.com miraclemethod.com mishasegal.com mrjimspizza.com mrmoco.com mstafford.com msm-hgh.com nationalassociation.com- (...of what?) nativestate.com naturalbalance.com networkingdynamics.com neweraradio.com nutrina.com nutsandvolts.com olsongraphics.com omnitronix.com onelook.com 1stepdata.com onestoppeshoppe.com- (Ye Olde spelling is back on toppe) ontargetresearch.com opinionsurveys.com organized-living.com- (Keep YOUR chainlocker beautiful) pacificmanagement.com pagemaster.com pandasoftware.com pasobeats.com pege.com phantastic-art.com- (Is Phabulous! Can phame and phortune be phar behind?) ramsupport.com rbac.com real-knowledge.com recordinginstitute.com religiousfreedomwatch.org remaljeringsbolaget.com renaissancespeakers.com retailpo.com rigneygraphics.com roboticparking.com rotenbergsculpture.com schippers.com seeklost.com silhouet.dk silhouet.nl silhouet.se smithroofing.com snowsoft.com snydermfg.com spohnseminare.de storytelleronline.com stout1.com studytech.com suddenlyslender.com superbikeschool.com survivalinsurance.com- (These guys got busted by the Better Business Bureau) sweetwheat.com systematicapproach.com tcm-tschuppert.ch technasource.com technology-group.com.au techsell.com teddybeartown.com telsoft.com teutsch-verlag.de texas-services.com- (Just a real estate office) thedebtsolution.com thesitesite.com- (Good griefgrief!) the-rubb.com thetalink.com thunderway.com tock.com trainorprinting.com troycousa.com truecolors.com tswinternational.com u-man.be- (.be = Belgium) uptrends.com van-garde.com vcommdesign.com view360.com visiosonic.com vitals.nl vites.com warnersisters.com web-promotion.net weiss-gallery.com wheresthecash.com- (A common Scientology query) whitman-hall.com writersscriptnetwork.com wwc.com- (Wireless Webconnect. Another big one) Remember: Giving money to these companies is giving money to Scientology. Please don't feed the octopus!!! Feel free to add updates and corrections.

  
  

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  From: davis Sent: 4/16/2002 8:23 AM A few more unique domains. They are starting to get harder to find. goodscientology.com lascientologie.com scientology.mw- (.mw = Malawi) scientology-atlanta.org scientology-melbourne.org scientology-mountainview.org scientology-orangecounty.org scn.org.il lronhubbard.am- (.am = Armenia) dianetica.it- (.it = Italy) dianetics.md- (.md = Moldova) daliland.com kathichesnut.com life-improvement.com
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  The following is an extensive list of Scientology owned and operated websites, front companies, so-called charitible organizations, social betterment agencies, businesses run by Scientologists, sites that shill for or point to Scientology , and also some of the many registered domains that are not active sites,....yet. You will also notice that Scientology has went above and beyond, in their hysteria to register domain names with certain keywords, and certain themes in them. This looks like madness to me. Instead of listing every site in alphabetical order, I separated them in to groups so you can see what I mean, in reference to certain keywords. The first list contains domains with the word Scientology in it somewhere, and so forth, and an occasional description or a remark by me. So, off we go, enjoy List 1. Keyword: Scientology. acceptedscientology.org actualscientology.net authenticscientology.org basicscientology.net bonafidescientology.org cienciologia.org essentialscientology.net exactscientology.org fundamentalscientology.net originalscientology.org properscientology.org realscientology.com- (are we having fun yet?) recognizedscientology.net rightscientology.com rightscientology.net scientologists.org scientology.org- (this is the main site, where all the tentacles meet) scientology-adelaide.org scientology-albuquerque.org scientology-canberra.org scientology-ccdallas.org- (the cc stands for Celebrity Center) scientology-cclasvegas.org scientology-ccnashville.org scientology-ccnewyork.org scientology-ccportland.org scientology-ccvienna.org scientology-columbus.org scientology-detroit.org scientology-durban.org scientology-johannesburgnorth.org scientology-kitchener.org scientology-losangeles.org scientology-losgatos.org scientology-newhaven.org scientology-newyork.org scientology-orlando.org scientology-ottawa.org scientology-portelizabeth.org scientology-pretoria.org scientology-saltlakecity scientology-sydney.org scientology-tampa.org scientology-toronto.org scientology-winnipeg.org scientologyethics.org- (Isn't that an oxymoron?) scientologyexpo.net scientologyhandbook.org scientologytoday.org scripturalscientology.net- (See below) scripturalscientology.org- (Why didn't they also register .com, .edu. .mil, or .gov?) standardscientology.net traditionalscientology.org- (As if it goes back hundreds of years) truescientology.org ultimatescientology.org- (Ultimate! Oh Jeez! LOL, ....The Ultimate!!!!!) whatisscientology.org List 2. Keyword: Hubbard. actualhubbard.org aboutlronhubbard.org authentichubbard.com authentichubbard.org doctrinalhubbard.com essentialhubbard.com exacthubbard.org genuinehubbard.com hubbardcollege.org- (Not accreditted anywhere!) lronhubbard.org- (The main site for all things Hubbard) lronhubbardprofile.org- (Doesn't mention his criminal record, or his bigamy.) lronhubbardtribute.org- (Yaaaaaaay, Hubbard!!!) realhubbard.org recognizedhubbard.org ronthemusicmaker.org ronthephilosopher.org ronthepoet.org ronthewriter.org traditionalhubbard.org truehubbard.org List 3. Keyword: Dianetics. accepteddianetics.org basicdianetics.org dianetics.org- (The main site with this keyword.) dianeticsfoundation.org doctrinaldianetics.org essentialdianetics.org neweradianetics.org traditionaldianetics.org ultimatedianetics.org- (The ULTIMATE!!! LOL) List 4. Keywords: Training & Auditting. acceptedtraining.org approvedtraining.org auditting.org authentictraining.net authentictraining.org basicauditting.net conventionaltraining.net correctauditting.org correcttraining.com- doctrinaltraining.org exactauditting.org exacttraining.org fundamentalauditting.org fundamentaltraining.net goodauditting.org goodtraining.org- (Tis good training m'lord, I'd like some more please.) loyaltraining.net- (Loyal? I'm almost affraid to ask.) propertraining.org puretraining.net scripturaltraining.org trainingsuccess.com List 5. Keyword: Narconon. friendsofnarconon.org- (Friends of? Sounds like a fan club) narconon.org- ( Don't confuse it with the legitimate rehab program NarcAnon.) narconon-books.com- ($$$) narconon-drug-education.com narconon-facts.com narconon-founder.com narconon-help.com narconon-rehab.com narcononcenter.com narconconsultant.com List 6. Narconon Feeder Sites. addictionalternatives.net-(The goal is to get you off of drugs and into $cientology) addictionca.com addictionresourceguide.com addiction2.com alcoholism2.com alternative-sentencing.com bedrugfree.org cocaineabuse.net cocaineaddiction.com crackcocaine2.com drug-rehabilitation-resource.com drugrehab.net drugawareness.org drugfreelife.net drugfreemarshals.org- ( Very sinister! Teaches kids; Drugs bad, Scientology good) drugsalvage.org drugs-information.org drug-prevention.org ecstasyabuse.net ecstasyaddiction.com ecstasy2.com family-drug-intervention.net heroinaddiction.com heroinaddiction2.com marijuanaaddiction.com methabuse.net methaddiction.com methamphetamineaddiction.com methadone2.com meth2.net- (These Co$ front groups sure are pervasive, aren't they) notodrugs-yestolife.com notodrugs-yestolife.org opiateaddiction.net potabuse.net- (Pot abuse? Oh come on!) saynotodrugs.com stopaddiction.com usnodrugs.com List 7. Miscellaneous and unsorted websites. able.org- (Association for Better Living and Education.) all-well.net amazingsketchcomedy.com- (Laughworks comedy troupe. Barely funny) aola.org- (Advanced Organization Los Angeles) aplusschool.com- (Another unaccreditted school for brainwashing kids) appliedscholastics.org- (Publishes bogus textbooks for Scientology schools) artistsforabetterworld.com authorservicesinc.com banshock.org- (One of the myriad of anti-psychiatry sites run by Co$) battlefieldearth.com battlefieldearth.net bernie.cncfamily.com- (Hilarius cult apologist site. Well worth the laugh) bigotwatch.net- (One of the myriad of anti-critic sites run by Co$) biztroubleshooter.com bredeweg.net- (Shills for Co$) bridgepub.com- (Hubbard's vanity press. The only people that will publish him) calranch.org- (Brainwash camp for kids) cats.org- (Citizens for an Alternative Tax System) catslv.org- (Same as above, but in Las Vegas) cbaa.org- (Concerned Businessmen blah blah) cchr.org- (The major anti-psychiatry site run by Co$) celebritycenter.org- (Rich people get special treatment in Scientology) choicemall.com citizensforsocialreform.org citycent.com- (Weak shill for Co$ here) clearwateracademy.org- (Another Co$ Brain Kamp) criminon.org- (Turns bad criminals into good Scientologists. There's a difference?) criminon-inc.org cultawarenessnetwork.org- (Now owned and run by Scientology!) dancenowacademy.com delphian.org- (Another unaccreditted Scientology skool) delphiboston.org- (In space, no one can hear you scream!) delphifl.org- (Another unaccreditted child warping factory, this one's in Florida) delphila.org- (Same as above, but in LosAngeles) dennisononline.com- (Another cloning operation) destinyoffreedom.com diplomabyexam.com effectivebusinesstools.com elearnaid.com emanationinc.com e-meter.org- (The gadget lives!) executive.com fantasticfiction.co.uk- (Site doesn't appear Co$ run, by has a weak shill to Hubbard) fieldauditors.com flag.org foundingchurchdc.org forf.org- (Freedom Of Religion Foundation) freedommag.org freedominclearwater.org- (As they slowly engulf the whole city) freedominla.org fso.org getincomm.com happyhouse.com- (A Nancy "voice of Bart Simpson" Cartwright run site) helplearn.org- (Hollywood Education and Literacy Program) hollanderconsultants.com itheta.org jiveaces.com keytolife.org kidsister.com- (Another Nancy cartwright run site) lewiscarrollacademy.org lifepositive.com madnation.org marriagesuccess.com- (Like Tom Cruise's successful marriage?) marysschoolhouse.org- (Hey Teacher!....Leave Those Kids Alone!) mentalhealthfacts.com mhsourcs.com mkranch.com- (Gulag for "troubled" kids of Co$ parents. Just send them away) mobileministers.com mojaveacademy.com- (Escape proof desert retreat for kids) musicalskills.com myhomepage.com newerapublications.com no-hate.org nwchildrensschool.com- (Keeps Co$ brats away from YOUR good kids) oca.org.uk offlines.org orientation.org our-home.org oursites.org parishioners.org purification.org- (They omit all the fatalities) psychassault.com- (They really hate those psychs) psychbusters.net psychiatrykills.org- (Oh the humanity!) psychinvestigator.com- (Do they dust for prints and wear fedoras?) psychoheresy-aware.org religiousapartheid.org- (And to think Hubbard actually supported apartheid) religiousfreedomwatch.com religioustolerance.net rmg-c.se - (Studemaskola, a child warping factory in Sweden) rtc.org- (Religious Technology Center. Co$ puppet government run by the CST) sainthill.org.uk- (They don't mention any of the deaths) smi.org sntp.net- (Say No To Psychiatry) sterling-management.com superphonics.com taxhelp.com- (We know what they do. wink-wink) theflaglandbase.org thenancyshow.com- (Nancy Cartwright again. No nudity, though. Darn!) theschool.com- (There's a legitimate school in Canada called Delphi. This aint it) theta.com theta.org- (Do you ever get sick of hearing the word theta, I sure do) thetacollectibles.com- (Pawn stuff so you can afford more courses) thetadata.com thetadirectory.com- (Cult phone directory. Thanx!) thetaromance.com- (They're not getting any) thetasingles.com- (Neither are they) thetaworld.com thewaytohappiness.org thinkclearly.org think-for-yourself.com- ( Ironic, huh?) tolerance2000.org truthbooks.com twth.org- (The Way To Happiness) vaacci.org- (Visual Artist Association Celebrity Center International) volunteerministers.org wise.org- (WISE was supposed to be disestablished in 1995) worldliteracy.org- (It's hard to brainwash the illiterate, or sell them books) writersofthefuture.com yarralinda.vic.edu.au- (An Australian child warping factory) yearstoyourhealth.com- (Shill site. Vast list of links to Co$) As always, I request updates, and corrections.

  
  

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  From: davis Sent: 4/11/2002 7:49 AM Here's is a couple hundred more Scientology and Scientology-related websites. Many of them have foreign domains, and also many of them were registered by Co$, but never used. Of the ones that aren't active, they were either reserved for future use, registered just to keep them out of the hands of critics and freezoners, and registered to fluff up Scientology's presence on the net and in search engines. cienciologia.cl- (.cl = Chile) cienciologia.org.mz- (.mx = Mexico) scientologi.ch- (.ch = Switzerland) scientologi.dk- (.dk = Denmark) scientologi.no- (.no = Norway) scientologie.ch scientologie.dk scientologist.ch scientologist.de- (.de = Germany) scientologist.dk scientologist.org.nz- (.nz = New Zealand) scientology.a.se- (.a = ?, .se = Sweden) scientology.as- (.as = American Samoa) scientology.ch scientology.cl scientology.co.at- (.co = ? probably commercial, .at = Austria) scientology.co.nz scientology.co.za- (.za = South Africa) scientology.com scientology.com.ar scientology.de scientology.hu- (.hu = Hungary) scientology.ie- (.ie = Ireland) scientology.net scientology.nu- (.nu = Niue. Is Co$ trying to conquer tiny islands in the Pacific?) scientology.ru- (.ru = Russia) scientology.org.ar- (.ar = Argentina) scientology.org.as scientology.org.au- (.au = Australia) scientology.org.ec- (.ec = Ecuador) scientology.org.il- (.il = Israel. As if they don't have enough problems already) scientology.nl- (.nl = Netherlands) scientology.org.nz scientology.org.pr- (.pr = Puerto Rico) scientology.org.uk- (.uk = United Kingdom) scientology.org.pw- (.pw = Palau) scientology.org.ru scientology.org.za scientology-annarbor.org scientology-aukland.org scientology-austin.org scientology-brisbane.org scientology-buffalo.org scientology-bulawayo.org scientology-capetown.org scientology-chicago.org scientology-edmonton.org scientology-harare.org scientology-hawaii.org scientology-longisland.org scientology-miami.org scientology-minneapolis.org scientology-pasadena.org scientology-perth.org scientology-philadelphia.org scientology-phoenix.org scientology-portland.org scientology-religion.org scientology-sacremento.org scientology-sandiego.org scientology-sanfrancisco.org scientology-sanjose.org scientology-santabarbara.org scientology-seattle.org scientology-stlouis.org scientology-valley.org scientology-washingtondc.org scientology.tm.fr- (.tm = ?, .fr = France) scientologyclear.org scientologycross.org szcientologia.org hubbard.de hubbard.dk hubbard.org hubbard.org.nz lrh.com lrhaudio.org lrhbio.org lrhbiography.org lrhgallery.com lrhlibrary.com lronhubbard.ch lronhubbard.cl lronhubbard.co.at lronhubbard.co.nz lronhubbard.co.za lronhubbard.com lronhubbard.de lronhubbard.dk lronhubbard.org.il lronhubbard.org.mx lronhubbard.org.nz lronhubbard.org.uk lronhubbardarchives.org lronhubbardbiography.org lronhubbardgallery.com lronhubbardlibrary.com lronhubbardtrust.com- (Isn't thiscrazy?) dianetica.cl dianetica.org.mx dianetics.ch dianetics.cl dianetics.co.at dianetics.co.nz dianetics.com dianetics.cx- (.cx = China) dianetics.de dianetics.dk dianetics.org.il dianetics.org.mx dianetics.org.nz dianetics.org.uk dianetics.pl- (.pl = Poland) dianetics.st- (.st = Portugal) dianeticsauditor.org dianeticsclear.org dianetik.de dianetique.ch dianetique.dk expandeddianetics.org neweradianetics.com neweradianetics.dk neweradianetics.org.nz auditednots.com auditednots.org auditorsassociation.org soloauditor.org theauditor.org narconon.com drugfreemarshalls.org- (The other one was spelled with one 'L', so now they own them both. Very clever, eh?) drugrehabilitation.org ableint.org advancedcourses.org advancedorganization.org advancedtechnology.org aoshanzo.org- (Advanced Org Saint Hill, Australia, New Zealand, Oceania, etc) aosheu.org- (Advanced Org Saint Hill Europe) appliedscholastics.ch arcstraightwire.com arcstraightwire.org asho.org- (Americam Saint Hill Org) battlefieldearthfilm.com bebook.com- (Battlefield Earth Book) bemovie.com bookone.ch bookone.de bookone.dk bookone.org bookone.org.nz cause.com celebrity.org churchofspiritualtec.org clear.org clearbodyclearmind.org clearedplanet.org- (Oh, Puh-lease!) clearhorizons.org clearnews.org clearplanet.org- (Ever get sick of hearing the word 'Clear', I do?) clearsound.com clearsound.org clearviews.org codeofhoner.org- (In case they ever get honor they'll have a website for it.) criminon.ch csttech.org- (Church of Spiritual Technology. Actual owners of Scientology) dmsmh.org dynamicsoflife.org educationalive.org e-meter.ch e-meter.com e-meter.dk falsepurposerundown.org fearbook.com febc.ch- (?) febc.com febc.dk fieldstaffmember.org flagliasonoffice.org folo.org fourthdynamic.org freedom.de freedom.dk freedom.org.nz freetheta.org freewinds.org fsm.org fsso.org goldeneraproductions.org goldline.org happinessrundown.org hcob.org hcopl.org hdf.org- (?) hdrf.org- (?) highwinds.org hotline.org ihelp.org illustratorsoffuture.com ilof.com incomm.org keyout.org keytolife.ch keytolife.com keytolife.de keytolife.dk kswnews.org- (Sounds like a radio station; you are listening to K-S-W News!) lifeimprovement.org lifeorientation.org liferepair.org lifestatic.org manorhotel.org marksupervii.org- ( The latest model. Get 'em while supplies last!) markv.org- (An American classic!) masterpieceeditions.com missionearth.com moralcodes.org- (Why?) methodone.org- (Method One, not methadone spelled wrong) morals.org- (Stop it, your killing me.) myphilosophy.org ned.dk ned.org.nz nep.org newcivilization.org- (Hey Co$, what will you do with the old civilization?) newera.org newerapublications.de newerapublications.org newliferundown.org newvitalityrundown.org newworldcorps.org- (Ugh! Dare I ask?) nots.com nots.de nots.dk nots.org.nz oca.org.nz- (Remember folks, Co$ doesn't own the OCA copyright) osaint.org- (OSA Int) ot.org ot.org.nz otambassador.org otcommittee.org othatting.org otlevels.org otmaterial.org otpreps.org otviii.org professionaltrs.org purification.ch purification.dk purification.org.nz purificationrundown.com purificationrundown.org randd.org researchanddiscovery.org revoltinthestars.com revoltinthestarsfilm.com roadtotruth.org- ( Highway to Hell) rtcinspectorgeneral.org rtsthemovie.com sainthill.ch sainthill.dk sainthill.org sainthill.org.nz seaorg.org- (Say that ten times fast) selfanalysis.org shsbc.org- (?) socialreform.org- (aka 'Lock Up The Wogs') solonots.org standardadmin.org standardtech.org static.org storyofbookone.org studenthat.org sunshinerundown.org superliterate.org superpower.org thebridge.org- (I'm just lookin' for a bridge. Where's that confounded bridge?) thecrusader.org- (Here's one for The Crusader) thehappinessclub.com theroadtofreedom.org- (A severe Toll road) thetabeing.org thetaclear.org thetan.org thewalloffire.org- (And it's Hot Hot Hot!) universecorps.org- (Space Camp, anyone?) wise.ch wise.org.uk wordclearing.org worldliteracycrusade.org wotf.com- (Writers of the future) writersofthefuture.com Remember, many of these were registered in 1996, but never active. Also I encourage additions and corrections.

  
  

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  From: davis Sent: 4/12/2002 10:07 AM Here is another long list of CoS related websites for ya. All most all of them are businesses that are owned and run by, or started by Scientologists. They are alphabetic by website, and most of them are active. I culled most of them from "Thetadirectory" and from Tilman Hauserr's site, so most of them are really from some WISE listing. Also, as you will see many of the, are get-rich-quick style schemes, or vitamins sales. In any case it should help you to know which businesses to not do business with, and which products and sevices to boycott. Remember; giving these people money is giving Scientology money. Please don't feed the octopus!!! achievergroup.com acsla.com ad-one.com aidenpiers.com airespring.com alarmgermany.com- (The poor, poor mistreatment of Co$ in Germany, boo-hoo.) allgrund.com autonetix.com advanceddentalcare.com adveritsing.com- (No, this is not a spelling error.) adaptonutrients.com admintech.com aestheticwebdesign.com afterburnerdesign.com aktion-dialog.ch angiescosmetics.com appliedsilliness.com arcmusic.com artbymarkleavitt.com atobloans.com axiomint.com babousa.org bamboogrovebooks.com baren.com baumhedlund.com beinfushi.com beitler.com bigwheelcreative.com billgood.com boingo.com borgmanconsulting.com bostonbrick.com brennanlaw.com bridge21.com bruningpottery.com bulldogcapitol.com business-success.at buyadvantage.com calmag.com candcmanning.com caroleandjans.com carolputnam.com carsearchinc.com ccpet.com cda-inc.com cdassociates.com celltech.com- (Avoid this at all cost!) chandlerssoaps.com- (Made from human tallow, MWAHAHAHA!!) chickcorea.com christmasgifts.com cintronics.com clarityauthoring.com cleanac.com clearimages.com clsouth.com coboltools.com communicate-now.com competencesw.com concepttechnologies.com consultu.com corbo.net corium21.com cornelius.dk/art crusecontrol.com csrpac.org- (A Co$ Political Action Committe in California) curative.com daniellsandassociates.com darkhorseranch.com davidmorse.com dennelfinancial.com dianev.com dianeklein.com doctorrelation.com dohring.com dse-inc.com dsipestcontrol.com- (At cause over termites. Termites today, wogs tomorrow.) emortgagetech.com execonmedia.dk execsoft.com fasenet.com ffg.com financialrescue.com fitgolf.com foravisausa.com futuregenerationhealth.com garyaustinadvertising.com gcw.com geekconsulting.com graphicpark.net greenfieldsschool.com gr8birth.com healthmagicfreelife.com herbcoach.com herbsexpress.com highschooldiploma.com ht-sys.com ihr.org intes.com jaffe2.com jandjroofing.com- (At cause over leaky roofs) jantek.com jjackson-tax-attorneys.com kampsdesigngroup.com karens-health-boutique.com keyms.com larryshouse.com- (Counseling for miscreant Co$ children) laptopking.com- (Computer repair, not gay exotic dancers. ) lbcnetworks.com lite.sk livingart.com loan-solution.com madinteractive.com magic4travel.com magna.net manmadesouls.com- (A Co$ rock band?!) mcvitamins.com- (Those Co$ members really sell lots of vitamins) moatzart.com moonlightaccessories.com mtgpublishing.com musicalskills.com naturevites.com- (Another vitamin dealer) naturesbotanicals.com- (And another) northernpacificmortgage.com nu-clear.com onestepdata.com patrickmarketing.com pcwiz.com- (He's the wiz! Nobody beats the wiz! Nobody!) postcardmania.com powerfultech.nexgen3000.com powerplusclub.com precision-resources.com pressenet.dk proskauer.com- ( Co$ Attornies in New Jersey) rbcomputer.com rejuvinique.com relaypoint.com- (Co$ ISP) rioplatasoftware.com rivendell.com scbinternet.com sgpromo.com shawhealthcenter.com shearperfect.com sonatapublishing.com sterlingdentist.com sunbelt-software.com susigalloway.com sts1.com talleytransinc.com tandlproductions.com thecommline.com thedebttrap.com- (Supposed to help get you "out" of debt. I'm suspicious.) thepeoplelink.com- (A Co$ employment service) thepodiatrist.com thetavites.com thetaxpeople.com tjclarkminerals.com totaltaxsolutions.com travel-ascending.com tristargraphix.com 2001.web.pt ultimatesitepromotion.com viewclearwaterhomes.com- (Guess where they are located???) wemar.hr- (.hr = Croatia) wiseman-burke.com wordsinarow.com wwstudios.com www-vitamins.com- (More vitamins. Total URL has 6 w's in it. World record!) I've got about another to 100 to post after this batch. Probably get to it Monday. Again, if anyone spots errors, or has more to add just go ahead.

  
  

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  From: davis Sent: 4/15/2002 7:18 AM And here is another list of Scientology owned, or run, companies. Most of them are small businesses. I got most of these from Tilman Hausherr's site. Anyway, here we go. affinity-exchange.com beaconpictures.com bgalgae.com- (Of Blue-Green algae MLM style fame.) billysheehan.com- (Bass player for Niacin. Yeah that's a real cool name for a rock group) business.com cathysegalgarcia.com ccnmag.com celestialnavigators.com convergemag.com designline.com designstrategies.com docwong.com drclark.com drainpatrol.com- ( At cause over plumbing) dunlopracing.com dux.com earthlink.net- (A big one!) ecompanies.com elvis.com- (Yup, the king's heirs are cultmembers) emdesigns.com environmentalhouse.com fatpipeu.com fcscollect.com flaschexpansion.com fl-realestate.com fortresstech.com frontsight.com- (Scientologists with guns? Footbullet U.?) gandgvitamins.com- (More vitamin dealers) gemstar-realty.com gerbino.com govtech.com greyhoundpartners.com happypaws.com harrietschuck.com hightechbiz.com hobbyrat.com immac.nu immobilienboerse.com inntechnology.com jackieandleah.com jeschke.com jobfit.com kenwalt.com kroisscancercenter.com- (Take-out and delivery) ldsledge.com lendinguniverse.com lewisbass.com lightwave.com- (Digital Lightwave. DO NOT INVEST! FRAUD ALERT!) lipoet.com lisamariepresley.com- (Elvis' daughter is a cultmember, so sad) lisa-marie-presley.com margreiter.com marinenv.com mattsgarage.com mcpheeandassociates.com micro2000.com miraclemethod.com mishasegal.com mrjimspizza.com mrmoco.com mstafford.com msm-hgh.com nationalassociation.com- (...of what?) nativestate.com naturalbalance.com networkingdynamics.com neweraradio.com nutrina.com nutsandvolts.com olsongraphics.com omnitronix.com onelook.com 1stepdata.com onestoppeshoppe.com- (Ye Olde spelling is back on toppe) ontargetresearch.com opinionsurveys.com organized-living.com- (Keep YOUR chainlocker beautiful) pacificmanagement.com pagemaster.com pandasoftware.com pasobeats.com pege.com phantastic-art.com- (Is Phabulous! Can phame and phortune be phar behind?) ramsupport.com rbac.com real-knowledge.com recordinginstitute.com religiousfreedomwatch.org remaljeringsbolaget.com renaissancespeakers.com retailpo.com rigneygraphics.com roboticparking.com rotenbergsculpture.com schippers.com seeklost.com silhouet.dk silhouet.nl silhouet.se smithroofing.com snowsoft.com snydermfg.com spohnseminare.de storytelleronline.com stout1.com studytech.com suddenlyslender.com superbikeschool.com survivalinsurance.com- (These guys got busted by the Better Business Bureau) sweetwheat.com systematicapproach.com tcm-tschuppert.ch technasource.com technology-group.com.au techsell.com teddybeartown.com telsoft.com teutsch-verlag.de texas-services.com- (Just a real estate office) thedebtsolution.com thesitesite.com- (Good griefgrief!) the-rubb.com thetalink.com thunderway.com tock.com trainorprinting.com troycousa.com truecolors.com tswinternational.com u-man.be- (.be = Belgium) uptrends.com van-garde.com vcommdesign.com view360.com visiosonic.com vitals.nl vites.com warnersisters.com web-promotion.net weiss-gallery.com wheresthecash.com- (A common Scientology query) whitman-hall.com writersscriptnetwork.com wwc.com- (Wireless Webconnect. Another big one) Remember: Giving money to these companies is giving money to Scientology. Please don't feed the octopus!!! Feel free to add updates and corrections.

  
  

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  From: davis Sent: 4/16/2002 8:23 AM A few more unique domains. They are starting to get harder to find. goodscientology.com lascientologie.com scientology.mw- (.mw = Malawi) scientology-atlanta.org scientology-melbourne.org scientology-mountainview.org scientology-orangecounty.org scn.org.il lronhubbard.am- (.am = Armenia) dianetica.it- (.it = Italy) dianetics.md- (.md = Moldova) daliland.com kathichesnut.com life-improvement.com
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  why i do believe in 607

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  the bible reports that the babylonians under nebuchadnezzar destroyed .

  chronology, the desolation of jerusalem would have been in the year 587/6 .

  babylon (in his accession year, 605 b.c.e.

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  70 years after 537 is 607. The "western standard" or i think it is called the Gregorian calendar is not the correct way. There is no correct way. You could measure the distance between two points in centimeters or inches. Neither is any more correct than the other.

  Is it really 2002?

  Lieu, i don't know how to say this without sounding harsh. That question is so stupid it's embarrassing.