Posts by Pterist

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Analysis of anti-607 BCE Rebuttals

by Ethos in

i agreed yesterday to engage in the '607' topic.

i've read numerous threads and am well aware that this topic has been addressed and dissected quite thoroughly.

therefore, if you are uninterested in participating, that's fine.

Pterist

Courtesy of JWFacts if it was not already posted -

Josephus

Josephus is in agreement with archaeological sources and can be used to show the Jewish destruction was in 587 B.C. He states that Jerusalem was desolate for only 50 years in Against Apion Book I, Chapter 21:

"Nebuchadnezzar, in the eighteenth year of his reign, laid our temple desolate, and so it lay in that state of obscurity for fifty years; but that in the second year of the reign of Cyrus its foundations were laid, and it was finished again in the second year of Darius,"

Surprisingly the Watchtower tries to use Josephus to prove Jerusalem was destroyed in 607 B.C. In the Appendix of the Watchtower publication, Let Your Kingdom Come it quotes Josephus'Antiquities of the Jews Book XI , Chapter 1 (though the quote is actually from Book X):

"all Judea and Jerusalem, and the temple, continued to be a desert for seventy years,"

and Josephus Against Apion Book I, Chapter 19:

"our city was desolate during the interval of seventy years, until the days of Cyrus" (italics theirs).

By emphasising the word desolate the Watchtower Society hides the meaning of the sentence. If the emphasis is shifted to the word during, it shows Josephus may have meant the city was desolate for only part of that period.

The Watchtower reasoning makes Josephus works contradictory. There is no contradiction when understanding these passages to mean that Jerusalem was desolate for a period of 50 years during the 70 year desolation of the nations. This then agrees with Bible prophecy, with the explanation of the 70 years above and also with history.

Thanks JWFACTS.

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Analysis of anti-607 BCE Rebuttals

by Ethos in

i agreed yesterday to engage in the '607' topic.

i've read numerous threads and am well aware that this topic has been addressed and dissected quite thoroughly.

therefore, if you are uninterested in participating, that's fine.

Pterist

Ethos .

Josephus chapter 8....Also say.....

in the eleventh year of the reign of Zedekiah, and in the eighteenth year of Nebuchadnezzar: he also burnt the palace, and overthrew the city. Now the temple was burnt four hundred and seventy years, six months, and ten days after it was built....?

Not very credible !

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Analysis of anti-607 BCE Rebuttals

by Ethos in

i agreed yesterday to engage in the '607' topic.

i've read numerous threads and am well aware that this topic has been addressed and dissected quite thoroughly.

therefore, if you are uninterested in participating, that's fine.

Pterist

WithnessMyFury **** Let me guess,... it is measured in Pyramid Inches?****

Lets not forget, it's official, Russell was not a member of the FDS, so the knowledge he gleaned from the great Adventist awakening needs to be revised or conviently swept under the carpet with respect to erred end time chronology and speculation.

We can see the obvious dilemma that the GB are in, based on date setting, as brother Ray Franz stated in his book " The bed is too short to stretch out on, the blanket too narrow to wrap around you." Isaiah 28:20

As pointed out by many others the that From 1982 - 1995 the Awake stated

"Most importantly, this magazine builds confidence in the Creator's promise of a peaceful and secure new order before the generation that saw the events of 1914 C.E. passes away." When it became obvious that this was false because that generation HAD all but passed away, it was changed in Nov 1995 to read: "Most important, this magazine builds confidence in the Creator's promise of a peaceful and secure new world that is about to replace the present wicked, lawless system of things." This lasted right up until Dec 2012 where it can still be read. Well I guess things move on and ideas change. From Jan 2013, this has been completely removed from the Awake! magazine. Courtesy of Splash, if I remember correctly. Its pretty obvious there will be big changes, and maybe Ethos is testing the waters in this respect. Shalom

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Analysis of anti-607 BCE Rebuttals

by Ethos in

i agreed yesterday to engage in the '607' topic.

i've read numerous threads and am well aware that this topic has been addressed and dissected quite thoroughly.

therefore, if you are uninterested in participating, that's fine.

Pterist

WitnessMyFury **** Are we there yet? ****

Apparently not, Ethos will show us how to get to 1914 without 607. Very courageous JW who can think for himself !

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JW's just called

by l p in

the jws just called.

they are new to the congregation since i left in 2002/3.. they were offering a dvd for deaf people to 'learn what god requires of me".

i said there were no deaf people here.. the other guy that was just standing there asked if there were deaf people in this area.

Pterist

Trail fitter ****Would be odd if they offered a DVD for blind people?*****

LOL ....yes, forgive my early morning pre-coffee mind set....

I guess the earthly blessings of the 1914 rulership are digital aids....

Bible study time now, so I can get out of my "fleshly" Adamic nature...

Hat in hand....Shalom !

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JW's just called

by l p in

the jws just called.

they are new to the congregation since i left in 2002/3.. they were offering a dvd for deaf people to 'learn what god requires of me".

i said there were no deaf people here.. the other guy that was just standing there asked if there were deaf people in this area.

Pterist

DVD for deaf People ? ....WHAT ?

I guess a DVD video not audio !

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Analysis of anti-607 BCE Rebuttals

by Ethos in

i agreed yesterday to engage in the '607' topic.

i've read numerous threads and am well aware that this topic has been addressed and dissected quite thoroughly.

therefore, if you are uninterested in participating, that's fine.

Pterist

Thanks Jeffro for more great stuff.

Thanks Ethos for hanging in there.

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Analysis of anti-607 BCE Rebuttals

by Ethos in

i agreed yesterday to engage in the '607' topic.

i've read numerous threads and am well aware that this topic has been addressed and dissected quite thoroughly.

therefore, if you are uninterested in participating, that's fine.

Pterist

Londo111 **** Pterist might have to correct me on some of these points. I’m still learning things and piecing them together. Nonetheless, this is a long tangent from 607.****

Thanks for the complimanent brother, however, Im not an expert in this field. However, since I started looking at all the different end time eschatologies if I spelt that correctly, there have been good arguments and issues with all of them.

I loved your artical previously on Partial and Hyper preterism as this seems to answer a lot more questions I had, since I left the WTS failed eschatology around the same time Ray Franz first book came out, and Ed Dunlop was disfellowshipped. I'm sort of at a amillimium/ Partial Preterism eschatology as this makes a lot of sense to me. I regard myself as a constant student, maybe I should change my handle to constant student, LOL.

However, the freedom that whatever eschatology we have, it NOT a condition of salvation or disfellowshiping., or fellowshiping. That's why I don't envy Ethos to prove that WTS is absolutely correct, when conditions of condemnation and final second death judgement is the consequences of not accepting dates, and it's unique claim to authority, also based on dates.

Thanks again for the encouragement and your kind compliments with honest humility. Shalom in Christ

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Analysis of anti-607 BCE Rebuttals

by Ethos in

i agreed yesterday to engage in the '607' topic.

i've read numerous threads and am well aware that this topic has been addressed and dissected quite thoroughly.

therefore, if you are uninterested in participating, that's fine.

Pterist

All these calculations are just to get to the year of the last king of Judah! so the WTS can apply sorry miss-apply Daniels prophesy to the king of Babylon namely, 7 times * 360 = 2520 years...and apply this for the rulership over the earthly nations of him who had the LEGAL RIGHT.

So, they take Zedekiah's fall in 607 (based on all the twisting of calculations to make it happen) 2520-607 = 1913/1914......

However, as shown previously Zedekiah in (Jeremiah 29) was CURSED by Jehovah because he was NOT the rightful king and assumed this position from Babylon. The rightful king was Jechoniah Matthew 1:11-13, he was in the royal line NOT Zedekiah. Subsequently Jechoniah's desendent Zerubbabel Was one of the first back from exile, (no desendent from Zedekiah) to keep the royal line. Matthew 1:11-13......

So, if one want to use the WTS crazy application of 2520 to a LEGITIMATE king it must come from the last LEGITIMATE king that reigned, namely, Jechoniah.

2520 - 617 (based on WTS calculations of Jechoniah exile) brings us to 1903/1904........

What a load of ....should I tell you !

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Analysis of anti-607 BCE Rebuttals

by Ethos in

i agreed yesterday to engage in the '607' topic.

i've read numerous threads and am well aware that this topic has been addressed and dissected quite thoroughly.

therefore, if you are uninterested in participating, that's fine.