the covenant was not it effect until jesus died , nobody can stop you from eating and drinking at the memorial , they were pretty insulting tho for a long time , insisting only the 1914 gen were the real deal and all others were faking it for some reason or another . Now they have no choice but to leave people in peace , not sure what the SDA does ... so you are a theist but believe the bible is nonsense , what's that ? Paganism ?
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144000 The numbers don't add up
by LevelThePlayingField inin 1935 there were 63,146 who attended the memorial and 52,465 partook.
(proclaimers book page 717).
according to the bible teach book on page 78, it says, “since the days of the apostles, god has been selecting faithful christians in order to complete the number 144,000”.
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144000 The numbers don't add up
by LevelThePlayingField inin 1935 there were 63,146 who attended the memorial and 52,465 partook.
(proclaimers book page 717).
according to the bible teach book on page 78, it says, “since the days of the apostles, god has been selecting faithful christians in order to complete the number 144,000”.
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waton - true the holy spirit shows up at Pentecost but jesus was showing them how to remember him in his covenant , he told them to expect it , first one was a dry run , they had to keep doing it until they were martyred to qualify , it replaced the Passover . If you don't believe fine by me but we are discussing the belief , you atheists enter these threads and don't even want to discuss it usually ... no point in continuing
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144000 The numbers don't add up
by LevelThePlayingField inin 1935 there were 63,146 who attended the memorial and 52,465 partook.
(proclaimers book page 717).
according to the bible teach book on page 78, it says, “since the days of the apostles, god has been selecting faithful christians in order to complete the number 144,000”.
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waton - i did read about that , the nazis did in fact behead some , not sure they were claiming GC or LF, my point is that it appears to me that you have to preach until the satanic world kills you . Just my opinion based on reading the scriptures tho , jesus was very adamant that the world would hate true believers as much as they hated him , sending them as sheep among wolves , flat out telling them they would suffer and die over the kingdom , no mistaking that part . It would not surprise me if the final number just shows up prior to the tribulation and refuse the mark of the beast , looks like there is more than one tribulation period as well . The GC as we know don't die , the LF are part the first resurrection , the difference in my opinion is that I don't believe anyone is resurrected at this time , they have an instant resurrection going on . I do still believe that there may be something to this belief system tho it seems like it changes stuff around like the deck chairs on the titanic . This is the only religion I know of that actually acts out the last supper in the fashion of the first church even tho i think it's more like a church supper than just a sip of wine and nibble on some matza
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144000 The numbers don't add up
by LevelThePlayingField inin 1935 there were 63,146 who attended the memorial and 52,465 partook.
(proclaimers book page 717).
according to the bible teach book on page 78, it says, “since the days of the apostles, god has been selecting faithful christians in order to complete the number 144,000”.
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nstead of the numbers decreasing they are actually increasing to the point where we currently don`t have just 8000 Anointed we actually have over 18000 claiming to be Anointed with the heavenly hope.
where did you find that , the year book ? I firmly believe it's a literal martyrdom not the symbolic one they claim . Probably wont happen until the GT and mark of the beast stuff happens .Some of those probably legit , many called few chosen . If they died of natural causes in the first century they were believed to have sinned and not confessed , like the story of Ananias , the early apostles were pretty indestructible , the apostle paul ways beaten left for dead a couple times , survived a ship wreck and the bite of a deadly snake , thrown off a cliff ... still moved on to being fed to the lions
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144000 The numbers don't add up
by LevelThePlayingField inin 1935 there were 63,146 who attended the memorial and 52,465 partook.
(proclaimers book page 717).
according to the bible teach book on page 78, it says, “since the days of the apostles, god has been selecting faithful christians in order to complete the number 144,000”.
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I believe it's literal myself . revelations shows that the four winds of destruction are held back until the last one is martyred by the axe . GOD chooses which ones actually qualify . I personally exclude women , they had gifts of the spirit just not the same tho . Men were commissioned to preach the gospel ,women , according to the apostle paul were only allowed to teach each other women and remain silent in the church , if they had questions about what was said in the church they needed to get with hubby , the WTBTS does seem to twist this around a bit .
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"World conditions have never been as bad as they are now"
by Sour Grapes ini went to a funeral yesterday and ran into a jdub.
of course, he approached me and it didn't take more than a minute into the conversation for him to get into the jdub gloom and doom mode.
he said that world conditions have never been as bad as they are now.. i looked straight into his eyes and said, "i think that world conditions were a lot worse during world war two.".
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In the Daniel prophesy book they said that the kings of north and south was based on north and south of Israel of which they did or over did the significance of it through out Israels history , today it does seem like there is an awful lot of "pushing" going on over the oil in the mid east , it's even been said they have been using secret weapons of war on each other , weather wars , with the HAARP system . obviously the only reason for the US or perhaps the "kittim", is over there , to keep other nations from taking over the dollar petro scam as russian and china have dropped the dollar and advocated taking it over ... to me seems a possibility what it's about , I don't give up belief that there is a GOD or that the bible is insignificant
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Overlapping Generations
by JRK ini remember when that came out, my mother didn't catch it in the original article in the wt.
it was in one of the review "do you remember" thingies that she caught it.
she asked me if it means what she thought it meant.
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looks like they waited until he was on his death bed to make a change , doesn't sound like spirit direction to me , must not be tribulation time as the second genner I studied with didn't sell all he owned , guy lives in a half million dollar home . You know the scripture about the little flock , sell it all and give it away... I can imagine even if they did ,they hide their ,"unrighteous riches," in a trust or something , these people have been so secretive and dishonest . I don't have issue with what they say about the government ,just research , bohemian grove , they actually worship a stone statue of an owl and they are extremely corrupt , pretty much what they say , satanic and corrupt , everyone knows that , I'm a 911 inside job guy , they did it to attack the bill of rights and start wars .
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"World conditions have never been as bad as they are now"
by Sour Grapes ini went to a funeral yesterday and ran into a jdub.
of course, he approached me and it didn't take more than a minute into the conversation for him to get into the jdub gloom and doom mode.
he said that world conditions have never been as bad as they are now.. i looked straight into his eyes and said, "i think that world conditions were a lot worse during world war two.".
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so I guess steve2 would not do anything if it were to happen? I keep hearing from the alternate web they are not really doing anything about human rights , instead they have human trafficking , child sex slave rings,drug cartels , most member countries are muslim , they have made noise on attacking Israel unilaterally , erdogan from turkey from what I read was advocating it , of course not everything is true on the web and i don't speak arabic . Really how long can a human rights organization ignore the RCC priests and their pedophilia ?
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Judgment Day in Russia
by Tahoe inhttp://www.newsweek.com/jehovahs-witnesses-russia-are-having-their-homes-raided-even-remote-towns-934734.
law enforcement officials in birobidzhan, russia, a small town close to the border with china, raided 20 homes belonging to jehovah’s witnesses, according to members of the religious organization.. the raids were conducted by around 150 police officers, who nicknamed their operation “judgement day,” jarrod lopes, a member of the jehovah’s witnesses, told newsweek.
police confiscated photographs, bank cards, money and electronic devices from the houses they searched, said lopes.. a criminal case was opened against a man named alam aliev, who will be kept in pretrial detention until july, members of the religious group said.
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yah that is vague , which ones are respectable ? sounds like they are looking at UN organizations of which they insist is the scarlet beast under satanic direction . They like to flip flop on where the world governments stand , one minute satanic the next they are put there by Jesus (romans 13) . Revelations shows that the human authorities give their authority to the beast and satan during the end times according to their own beliefs in the grand climax book .
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by JRK ini remember when that came out, my mother didn't catch it in the original article in the wt.
it was in one of the review "do you remember" thingies that she caught it.
she asked me if it means what she thought it meant.
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What I don't like is they don't ever ask forgiveness for the lies and never admit to it being a lie , they forced that 1914 generation on people , if you didn't say hallelujah when they brought it up they would just be rude to you and act stupid to you like you were an out cast , I would leave at times , I was a study and say it didn't add up really , I also don't believe women get the heavenly calling according to the bible , unless they rewrite it again to make it fit which they seem to do at times , john said they don't defile with women and are virgins , to me it means they gave up sex with women so that when they are spirits they don't do what the angels did and lust for women , virgins part I think they got right , keeping themselves chaste from satanic influence ....