Posts by TonusOH

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The Sanitizing of David
by Doug Mason in
1. watchtower
2. bible
the bible depicts king david as a deeply flawed, unsavory character, the perpetrator of evil acts including: murder, insurrection, adultery, banditry, and extortion.

the sanitizing of david’s character during the following centuries and millennia created an image that idolizes him as the paragon of virtue, closely associated with the promised messiah.

my study identifies the davidic sanitizing process.. https://www.academia.edu/s/390a7ba170?source=link .
TonusOH

I still think that he raped Bath'sheba. If their relations had been consensual, then she was guilty of adultery. But god did not punish her for her actions, even though they led to the murder of her husband. That says to me that she was coerced (not surprising- the king summons you to his bedroom and puts the moves on you, you might be afraid to say 'no').
Then again, women in the old testament were on a lower tier than men, treated like property and with less freedom of action/choice. The writer of the story probably wasn't too concerned about her- she was just another prop.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
original reddit post (removed).
TonusOH

At this point, there are 1919 comments.
So, 1914 came and went and the world didn't end?
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What are Jehovah's Witnesses' stance on home ownership?
by timothytha in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
what do people usually think of when they buy a house?

"i will probably live here for a long time" (you're invested with your time), "i will save money by building equity over time".

(you've invested in yourself financially for the long run) of course, i wouldn't be able to list the numerous reasons why people want to buy a house.
TonusOH

In the congregation I attended in the 80s and 90s, many of the elders and ministerial servants owned homes. And this was in a relatively lower-middle class part of New York City, where there were a lot of apartment-dwellers. One of the elders was a long-time JW who knew many of the GB members pretty closely. He had a few interesting stories to tell.
I don't recall ever hearing a negative word about home ownership, aside from the usual warnings against "the love of money" and similar ideas. I can recall murmuring from people about the nice car that so-and-so owned, the nice clothes that so-and-so wore, and so on. But not about houses. I guess when the higher-ups in the congregation are home-owners, people know better than to judge.
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Jehovah's Witnesses: remembering the weird and wacky!
by Vanderhoven7 in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
do you remember some of the weird and wacky stuff emanating from the watchtower society?

let's make a list from memory that we can use to inject a little humor into our discussions with jehovah's witnesses.

- venus may be an enormous jurassic park.. - germs don't cause disease.. - no beards allowed.
TonusOH

Good thing they printed that article back then. We might still be counting on our fingers today!
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Here's a question that I guarantee no one has ever thought of!
by nowwhat? in
1. watchtower
2. bible
unlike men who took no note, surely the fallen angels knew of gods plan to flood the earth, so why didn't they build an ark(s) for their nephilum sons?

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TonusOH

More to the point: Why did God create this giant flood killing all humanity, saving one family to start over.....yet this same family are still 'fallen'
Indeed, it didn't take long for Noah to grow grapes, make wine, and get drunk. He stripped off his clothes and passed out. So who committed the real sin?
His son, who saw his father naked and reported this to his brothers. LOL
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
original reddit post (removed).
TonusOH

It seems like he spends his time on Twitter alternating between being rude to people and complaining that people are being mean to him. How entitled can someone get?
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
original reddit post (removed).
TonusOH

Hi BottanicPepper,
Information is controlled, and when you live in a sleepy town in the heart of England there was no need to doubt.
I can assure you that the bustling city of New York in the 70s and 80s was quite the same. Possibly even more so, since the organization was headquartered there. And even though we were close to it and were able to visit with less effort, the pilgrimage was no less sacred and special for many. It's amazing how easy it was to keep people in the dark before the internet tore down all of those walls.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
original reddit post (removed).
TonusOH

I must say, I misjudged Andrew Gold. He has gone full scorched earth on Evans as a result of being used as a propaganda tool. Taking Gold for granted may turn out to be his biggest mistake, in the end.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
original reddit post (removed).
TonusOH

But it's OK, Lloyd just engaged his hooker-background-checking department to verify all the ones he "dated".
From the first time that he insisted that he only went to sex workers who were at least 20 years old, I was getting the "she told me she was 18" vibe. I'd love to hear him explain his system for confirming that these 'girls' were at least 20 years old. It would be partly amusing, but mostly horrifying, is my guess.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
original reddit post (removed).
TonusOH

Some people seem uncomfortable with the attention Evans is getting when he's caught with his pants down.
Perhaps if Evans himself would stop talking about it...