Well they are both attributed to fantasy and are not attributed to real persons so why should either one bother our conscience?
Recovery
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Jwfacts, Why Do You Equate Miracles With Magic?
by Recovery ini have a question for the author of the website jwfacts.
as i was reading the sparlock article, i couldn't help but notice something seriously wrong:.
"the bible abounds in vivid fantasy, such as its many celestial descriptions, or the portrayal of warring kingdoms with imaginary beasts.. the sparlock message is confusing, as much for an adult as for a child, as the bible shows that god's followers practice magic, even if they are usually referred to as miracles.
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Jwfacts, Why Do You Equate Miracles With Magic?
by Recovery ini have a question for the author of the website jwfacts.
as i was reading the sparlock article, i couldn't help but notice something seriously wrong:.
"the bible abounds in vivid fantasy, such as its many celestial descriptions, or the portrayal of warring kingdoms with imaginary beasts.. the sparlock message is confusing, as much for an adult as for a child, as the bible shows that god's followers practice magic, even if they are usually referred to as miracles.
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Recovery
That would be ChristAlone when he tried to dismiss the Sparlock situation simply because it is attributed to fantasy. It would also be all your other ex JW buddies who have been trying to divert the topic by cutting and pasting Wikipedia pages and talking about the UN/NGO issue.
Elderelite I don't understand your question, can you rephrase?
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Jwfacts, Why Do You Equate Miracles With Magic?
by Recovery ini have a question for the author of the website jwfacts.
as i was reading the sparlock article, i couldn't help but notice something seriously wrong:.
"the bible abounds in vivid fantasy, such as its many celestial descriptions, or the portrayal of warring kingdoms with imaginary beasts.. the sparlock message is confusing, as much for an adult as for a child, as the bible shows that god's followers practice magic, even if they are usually referred to as miracles.
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Recovery
Well we're talking about fantasy now. Keep up.
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Jwfacts, Why Do You Equate Miracles With Magic?
by Recovery ini have a question for the author of the website jwfacts.
as i was reading the sparlock article, i couldn't help but notice something seriously wrong:.
"the bible abounds in vivid fantasy, such as its many celestial descriptions, or the portrayal of warring kingdoms with imaginary beasts.. the sparlock message is confusing, as much for an adult as for a child, as the bible shows that god's followers practice magic, even if they are usually referred to as miracles.
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Recovery
I guess I have to break down every little thing for ChristAlone to understand, otherwise he will belittle me and call me names like the big bully on the playground during recess.
Because Sparlock is not an actual wizard, casting spells, and is attributed to fantasy, you are arguing it shouldn't be condemned. The examples I posted of oojiua boards, halloween costumes, depictions of rape and murder, and a plethora of what we find in today's entertainment can all be considered 'fantasy'. They are not attributed to real people, as real events, as actual occurrences, but simply fantasy.
By this line of reasoning none of God's laws apply when selecting entertainment since it is all fantasy and not attributed to actual occurrences.
ChristAlone's reasoning, not Recovery's.
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Jwfacts, Why Do You Equate Miracles With Magic?
by Recovery ini have a question for the author of the website jwfacts.
as i was reading the sparlock article, i couldn't help but notice something seriously wrong:.
"the bible abounds in vivid fantasy, such as its many celestial descriptions, or the portrayal of warring kingdoms with imaginary beasts.. the sparlock message is confusing, as much for an adult as for a child, as the bible shows that god's followers practice magic, even if they are usually referred to as miracles.
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Recovery
ChristAlones argument basically comes down to this: Sparlock is not a real wizard, a real practicer of magic, so therefore its okay and perfectly acceptable in God's eyes to have such a toy.
But how many of us would play with oojiua boards? How many of us could honestly see nothing wrong with little children dressing up as wizards and demons and goblins and devils for Halloween? How many of us would sit down and watch a gory, bloody, extremely sadistic violent film and say, oh there's nothing wrong with that. It's just FANTASY. These things aren't REALLY happening.
This type of reasoning is faulty and as ChristAlone has repeatedly called this discussion, retardedness.
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Jwfacts, Why Do You Equate Miracles With Magic?
by Recovery ini have a question for the author of the website jwfacts.
as i was reading the sparlock article, i couldn't help but notice something seriously wrong:.
"the bible abounds in vivid fantasy, such as its many celestial descriptions, or the portrayal of warring kingdoms with imaginary beasts.. the sparlock message is confusing, as much for an adult as for a child, as the bible shows that god's followers practice magic, even if they are usually referred to as miracles.
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Recovery
Well I guess we should celebrate Halloween and get dressed up and pretend to be demons and ghosts and witches and psychics and wizards because they are simply fantasy, and are not attributed to real spirits.
I guess we should all play with oojiua boards since they are simply fantasy and are not attributed to real spirits.
I guess we should watch goory, blood spilling, horror flicks that depict brutal murder, torture, rape, and violence simply because they are fantasy and are not attributed to real spirits/people.
I guess anything goes and God's laws don't apply because pretty much everything in our entertainment today is attributed to fantasy and not real, historical events.
So who's going trick or treating this year?
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Jwfacts, Why Do You Equate Miracles With Magic?
by Recovery ini have a question for the author of the website jwfacts.
as i was reading the sparlock article, i couldn't help but notice something seriously wrong:.
"the bible abounds in vivid fantasy, such as its many celestial descriptions, or the portrayal of warring kingdoms with imaginary beasts.. the sparlock message is confusing, as much for an adult as for a child, as the bible shows that god's followers practice magic, even if they are usually referred to as miracles.
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Recovery
Well I guess we should celebrate Halloween and get dressed up and pretend to be demons and ghosts and witches and psychics and wizards because they are simply fantasy, and are not attributed to real spirits.
I guess we should all play with oojiua boards since they are simply fantasy and are not attributed to real spirits.
I guess we should watch goory, blood spilling, horror flicks that depict brutal murder, torture, rape, and violence simply because they are fantasy and are not attributed to real spirits/people.
I guess anything goes and God's laws don't apply because pretty much everything in our entertainment today is attributed to fantasy and not real, historical events.
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Jwfacts, Why Do You Equate Miracles With Magic?
by Recovery ini have a question for the author of the website jwfacts.
as i was reading the sparlock article, i couldn't help but notice something seriously wrong:.
"the bible abounds in vivid fantasy, such as its many celestial descriptions, or the portrayal of warring kingdoms with imaginary beasts.. the sparlock message is confusing, as much for an adult as for a child, as the bible shows that god's followers practice magic, even if they are usually referred to as miracles.
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Recovery
Deuteronomy 18:10 "There should not be found in you anyone who employs divination, a practicer of magic.."
Is a slight of hand performer a practice of magic? Yes or no?
Jehovah does not expressedly condemn all forms of magic (as far as we know). Someone could say flying cartoons are magical by nature. Someone could say a talking animal in a movie is magical. We cannot for sure say a certain thing is condemned/disapproved of by God because the magical practices mentioned in the Bible are not all encompassing. That is why it is a conscience matter.
I have no problems watching cartoons, certain disney movies (like the Lion King), or even movies like Superman or Batman. These do not violate my conscience. For another Christian, they could be considered magical and thus something that should not watched. This is why you won't see the Watchtower comment too much on this (as it does specific areas like pornography and masturbation) because there is a gray area where each individual's own conscience must decide.
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Jwfacts, Why Do You Equate Miracles With Magic?
by Recovery ini have a question for the author of the website jwfacts.
as i was reading the sparlock article, i couldn't help but notice something seriously wrong:.
"the bible abounds in vivid fantasy, such as its many celestial descriptions, or the portrayal of warring kingdoms with imaginary beasts.. the sparlock message is confusing, as much for an adult as for a child, as the bible shows that god's followers practice magic, even if they are usually referred to as miracles.
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Recovery
Please point out where I have stated that Jehovah condemns all forms of magic 'as we know them'. That is something that I made distinctly clear in one of my earlier posts. I emphasized that the type of magic that Jehovah condemns is explicitly outlined in the Bible. Hence, supernatural showings such as a human flying, a talking orge, or a princess being turned into a frog are not objectionable from the Bible's viewpoint. Once we go outside of specific mentions of what is condemned as magic, then it is up to each individual to decide what their conscience allows. It is similar to blood. We know that we are to abstain from blood. Once blood is broken down into its four primary components, it is still considered blood by medical professionals. Once those components are broken down into fractions then it is up to each individual to decide. I know that "MAGIC IN ENGLISH" encompasses more than what was meant when it was written in Hebrew, and that is why I made the distinction. Did you even read my post?
Do you turn off ANYTHING that has magic in it, Recovery?
No, I turn off anything that displays magic in a manner that is condemned by Jehovah in his word.
What about Pinochio?
I don't recall much about Pinnochio but I would not from the top of my head say that it's objectionable.
Lord of the Rings has to do with magic. Do you turn that off?
Yes, it promotes much wizardry and spell casting and sorcery which are all condemned forms of magic.
What about someone that "performs" magic in Vegas? Is that too condemned? Would you walk away from that?
Yes, because the Bible condemns the practice of magic.
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Jwfacts, Why Do You Equate Miracles With Magic?
by Recovery ini have a question for the author of the website jwfacts.
as i was reading the sparlock article, i couldn't help but notice something seriously wrong:.
"the bible abounds in vivid fantasy, such as its many celestial descriptions, or the portrayal of warring kingdoms with imaginary beasts.. the sparlock message is confusing, as much for an adult as for a child, as the bible shows that god's followers practice magic, even if they are usually referred to as miracles.
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Recovery
Hmmm, why is there something wrong with Caleb's toy? Oh, I don't know. Perhaps because it's called Sparlock: The Warrior Wizard
Questions: Is wizardry a form of spiritism/magic as condemned in the Bible? Yes or no. Does it show a hatred and a respect for what Jehovah hates to carry a toy that perpretrates something that he finds detestable? Yes or no.