sKally
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Russell the Man Redux
by Farkel inthe wts doesn't care about its history, either.
this is for you few people who do care: .
russell the man .
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Blood Doctrine....JWs dropped off a video tape and DVD for my wife.......
by insearchoftruth ini had posted last monday about having asked my wife questions on the blood doctrine, the question i asked her is if i need to get someone to be my medical power of attorney.
i asked her if a spouse of an unbelieving mate would authorize a blood transfusion.....no answer.
i also asked if she realized that the jws now allow fractions as a matter of conscience.....no answer, but in both cases she said she is just studying and needs to learn more.
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sf
From the same webpage in above post:
Kerry Louderback-Wood on December 21st, 2007 1:26 am
Mr. Doofus:
You asked us to read a page from the Watchtower website on how the Watchtower meets the medicla challenges. This is very similar to the Society’s booklet “How Can Blood Save Your Life?”
I independantly researched this booklet. If fact, I published a paper (”Jehovah’s Witnesses, Blood Transfusions, and the Tort of Misrepresentation”) on the veracity of this booklet. My paper discusses the Society’s quotes of secular doctors, historians, and scientists, against these people’s original writings.
Have you read my paper? I think you’ll find it interesting. I invite you to visit the Journal of Church & State out of Baylor University’s website. They have an order form. My paper will only cost you a few dollars. I make no money from this paper.
The Journal of Church & State is a peer reviewed law journal. The Society likes it so much, that its own attorneys also publish papers in it.
I look forward to your thoughts after reading my paper.
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Blood Doctrine....JWs dropped off a video tape and DVD for my wife.......
by insearchoftruth ini had posted last monday about having asked my wife questions on the blood doctrine, the question i asked her is if i need to get someone to be my medical power of attorney.
i asked her if a spouse of an unbelieving mate would authorize a blood transfusion.....no answer.
i also asked if she realized that the jws now allow fractions as a matter of conscience.....no answer, but in both cases she said she is just studying and needs to learn more.
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sf
Kerry Louderback-Wood on November 6th, 2007 1:59 pm
Jehovah’s Witnesses DO TAKE BLOOD products, yet claim they abstain from blood. They can take Hemoglobin, Albumin, cLotting Factors, Immunoglobulins, etc. In fact, these blood products, if added with water, with equal a whole unit of blood! see http://www.ajwrb.org
Jehovah’s Witnesses DO TAKE WHOLE BLOOD, yet they claim that blood which leaves the body is never to be reinjected. They approve of “current therapy” and “cell tagging”. These procedures require blood taken out of the body, mixed with chemicals, and retransfused back into the body.
Since Jehovah’s Witnesses take all blood products and allow blood therapies, they are not sincere in the belief that they “abstain from all blood.”
If all of blood, taken separately or as whole blood, can be used to save a life, why not a blood transfusion?
These were some of my questions.
I wrote a legal treatise, “Jehovah’s Witnesses, Blood Transfusions, and the Tort of Misrepresentation” in the Journal of Church & State from Baylor University. It details the hypocrisy within the Jehovah’s Witnesses own policies. It also details how the Watchtower Society distorts the medical facts by misquoting secular doctors, scientists, and historians.
Jehovah’s Witnesses are also under “coercion” when the make the blood decision. They fear: 1) exommunication & loss of family & business associates; 2) that other Jehovah’s Witnesses who work in the medical community will head the Watchtower’s advice to break man’s confidentiality laws & turn-in the sinning patient; 3) the Hospital Liasion Committee patrols the hospital’s hallways & sits bedside to ensure the patient remains strong; and 4) if a Watchtower lawyer is appointed for the patient - that the lawyer/elder will also break patient confidentiliaty in favor of church loyalty.
A Jehovah’s Witness elder recently compared the blood ban to Adam & Eve’s eating the forbidden fruit.
Were Adam & Even allowed to eat apple sauce, baked apples, apple cider, and apple pie made from the forbidden tree? Of course not.
As explained above, Jehovah’s Witnesses take a myriad of blood products and blood therapies. If blood is the forbidden fruit, then these items should likewise be forbidden.
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Former plumber Richard Thorpe, 26, violently battered Jehovahs Witness dad
by What-A-Coincidence inhttp://www.examiner.co.uk/news/local-west-yorkshire-news/2008/11/05/family-of-schizophrenic-man-who-battered-dad-to-death-slam-nhs-86081-22185267/.
family of schizophrenic man who battered dad to death slam nhsnov 5 2008 by neil atkinson, huddersfield daily examiner .
a family have slammed the nhs for a catalogue of errors in the treatment of their schizophrenic brother which ended with him bludgeoning their father to death outside their family home.. former plumber richard thorpe, 26, violently battered jehovahs witness dad eddie, 58, in front of his distraught brother and sister with a heavy pipe-bending tool.. psychotic richard had dreamed up the innocent father was a paedophile who had sexually abused him as a child.. he was indefinitely detained in a mental home for the protection of the public by leeds crown court.. he had ambushed road sweeper eddie as he left home in batley to go to work on february 21.. in the attack he repeatedly struck him around the head with the heavy tool, knocking him down concrete steps outside the house and shattering his elbow..
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Obit: Edward Thorpe - 21/02/08
15 posts - 15 authors Edward Thorpe, 58, known as Eddie, was found with head injuries in Howard Street , Batley Carr, on February 21. Richard Edward Thorpe, 25, has appeared in ...
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'GENTLE' EDDIE KILLED - Batley News
Feb 28, 2008 ...Richard Edward Thorpe appeared before Batley and Dewsbury Magistrates on Saturday. The stunned Batley Carr community is coming to terms with ...
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Feb 21, 2008 ...Richard Edward Thorpe appeared before Batley and Dewsbury Magistrates on Saturday, following the death of road sweeper Edward Thorpe, 58. ...
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Former plumber Richard Thorpe, 26, violently battered Jehovahs Witness dad
by What-A-Coincidence inhttp://www.examiner.co.uk/news/local-west-yorkshire-news/2008/11/05/family-of-schizophrenic-man-who-battered-dad-to-death-slam-nhs-86081-22185267/.
family of schizophrenic man who battered dad to death slam nhsnov 5 2008 by neil atkinson, huddersfield daily examiner .
a family have slammed the nhs for a catalogue of errors in the treatment of their schizophrenic brother which ended with him bludgeoning their father to death outside their family home.. former plumber richard thorpe, 26, violently battered jehovahs witness dad eddie, 58, in front of his distraught brother and sister with a heavy pipe-bending tool.. psychotic richard had dreamed up the innocent father was a paedophile who had sexually abused him as a child.. he was indefinitely detained in a mental home for the protection of the public by leeds crown court.. he had ambushed road sweeper eddie as he left home in batley to go to work on february 21.. in the attack he repeatedly struck him around the head with the heavy tool, knocking him down concrete steps outside the house and shattering his elbow..
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He then stamped on his father until he was dead.
After his hearing, sister Melissa Thorpe, 28, brother Robert, 23, and mum Pauline, 57, welcomed the sentence, but launched a scathing attack on the care system.
They demanded to know why he was “left to rot” in a community care home with health workers failing to check on him.
Medical secretary Melissa said: “I have been living in fear in my own home, where Robert and I lived with our father, about what Richard might do to someone.
“My brother is only now getting the care and treatment he so desperately needed and should have got before.
“It has taken the horrendous death of my father to get to this point and that is not acceptable.”
Melissa told how she worried for her father’s safety after his relationship with troubled son Richard became strained when fights about religion erupted at the family home.
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The worried family eventually decided to move volatile Richard into care in the community after his mental illness took hold in 2003 and he became increasingly agitated and violent towards his devout father.
Melissa said: “He was confused. It was like he was torn between wanting to please dad but not knowing how he felt about his religion.It really messed him up and it was a massive part of his problem.”
The family are now demanding to know why their ill brother was not officially diagnosed with schizophrenia until after dad Eddie’s brutal death.
Supermarket worker Robert, who witnessed his sibling delivering the final stamps to his father’s head, said:
“He was assigned a CPN (Community Psychiatric Nurse), but she wouldn’t take him seriously and said that he just wasn’t trying.
“She was supposed to pay him regular visits, but she eventually stopped going.
“She even told my mum that she didn’t think she was right for the job and, when she left, she didn’t even assign anyone else to my brother.
“He stopped washing. He would wet himself in bed and his room was a state.
“It left him vulnerable and we know the other patients would bully him.
“They tricked him into giving his money away and completely took advantage of him.”
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Thorpe pleaded guilty to manslaughter on the grounds of diminished responsibility.
The Recorder of Leeds, Judge Peter Collier QC, detained Thorpe in a hospital secure unit so that doctors could continue with his treatment.
He applied a special restriction order meaning that Thorpe will remain in custody indefinitely for public safety.
Pauline said: “Edward was a really good, kind-hearted and generous man. He would give anybody his last penny. He would share his last crust and I really miss him.”
A spokesperson for South West Yorkshire Mental Health Trust said: “We take any incidence involving NHS care very seriously.
“A detailed internal review has been carried out by the Trust using
external independent advisors.Š “The report has been shared with members of the family. Now, as a matter of course, this will progress to a full independent inquiry.”
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Escape From Jonestown
by sacolton inthirty years ago, 900 people died by murder and suicide.
only a few survived.
now, cnn special correspondent soledad o'brien reports on their untold stories as "cnn presents: escape from jonestown.
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MSNBC had this last week:
E Entertainment {THS} just had this program on this weekend:
http://television.aol.com/show/ths-investigates-cults-religion-and-mind-control/10320846/upcoming
Also, A&E did a program called "Mind Control".
Interesting how this issue is making the airwaves NOW.
sKally
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Dec. 15th WT - About " Integrity " - Hypocrisy Galore - What Do You Think?
by flipper inmy lurking jw friend sent me a copy of this new dec.15th rubbish on " holding fast to your integrity " - and i don't know if it's the fact i've been out of the witnesses 5 years or not - but the ludricousness of this information seems to be increasing to me.
once again the watchtower society makes big issues of miniscule , small time actions raising the fire alarm , but gloss over more serious sins like murder , for instance .
for example , check this tidbit out from paragraph 10 - " we know that god's word forbids fornication.
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Do you have any sense of humor?
LOLOLOL!!!! Not while jws are still killing kids. LOLOLOL!!!
What you think of me is your problem. Doesn't concern me. Trapped children, at the mercy of their deadly parents, does.
sKally
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Dec. 15th WT - About " Integrity " - Hypocrisy Galore - What Do You Think?
by flipper inmy lurking jw friend sent me a copy of this new dec.15th rubbish on " holding fast to your integrity " - and i don't know if it's the fact i've been out of the witnesses 5 years or not - but the ludricousness of this information seems to be increasing to me.
once again the watchtower society makes big issues of miniscule , small time actions raising the fire alarm , but gloss over more serious sins like murder , for instance .
for example , check this tidbit out from paragraph 10 - " we know that god's word forbids fornication.
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Dec. 15th WT - About " Integrity " - Hypocrisy Galore - What Do You Think?
by flipper inmy lurking jw friend sent me a copy of this new dec.15th rubbish on " holding fast to your integrity " - and i don't know if it's the fact i've been out of the witnesses 5 years or not - but the ludricousness of this information seems to be increasing to me.
once again the watchtower society makes big issues of miniscule , small time actions raising the fire alarm , but gloss over more serious sins like murder , for instance .
for example , check this tidbit out from paragraph 10 - " we know that god's word forbids fornication.
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flipper,
There was not an ounce of humor in what I posted above.
There is nothing funny about the insanity that these parents put their kids through EACH DAY, as part of this deadly organization that they never asked to be a part of in the first place.
But keep laughing.
sKally
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Can fader's ever get off the pot, so to speak?
by dinah inthey seem afraid of what they would lose.. can you not see what you would gain?
most of us born-ins lost our first loves at the hands of the wt.. why live a lie?
don't it eat you up?
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sf
People do what they think is best, based on the information they have available to them.
What "people"? People here, who have the info, choose not to share it with the "people" who NEED it.
What would "people"do if the other people actually gave them this info?
Imagine THAT.
Is it best to hold on to this info only for oneself?
Shame on you People...as innocent, unsuspecting children are null and void of ANY of this info YOU PEOPLE have, as facts, about this deadly organization.
{{ nice to see you crazy and dinah}}
sKally