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  Florida town casts out Satan

  by fodeja in

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  so that's florida for you then.. .

  inglis mayor carolyn risher said september 11 terror attacks inspired her to compose a proclamation banning satan from her town.

  inglis, florida (cnn) -- if he's thinking of visiting florida's west coast, satan might want to steer clear of inglis.. the mayor of this small fishing village in florida has declared the prince of darkness persona non grata -- in essence, telling him to go to the devil.. "satan, ruler of darkness, giver of evil, destroyer of what is good and just, is not now, nor ever again will be, a part of this town of inglis," mayor carolyn risher says in a proclamation, which was issued on official town stationery.. risher said the events of september 11 inspired her to pursue the proclamation, which the town commission supports.. "it gave me the inspiration that these people need to be ready if something like this was to happen to the town of inglis.

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  And then people wonder why I despair of my fellow Americans...

  That mayor is an idiot on so many levels it boggles the imagination.
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  Bethel Lawers in Othello This Week

  by nytelecom2 in

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  let the games begin

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  your on crack if you think these are all the guns we got

  How sad that you feel the need to bring "guns" against survivors of sexual abuse.
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  John Walker

  by mike047 in

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  the u.s. government is returning john walker to the states for trial.

  what do you consider an appropriate punishment for his mis-deeds?.

  i think, he should be[if found guilty]stipped of his citizenship and returned to somewhere in the mideast to spend the rest of his life,with no possibility to return to the u.s. for any reason.

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  I like to know where your colege age kids lives? It is not the norm for most to hop knob in ohter countries unless they are very wealthy or have a source of it.

  Or are basically middle class and live on the cheap, as I said earlier. If you go to Europe, who do you find? A bunch of middle-aged, fat American tourists, Bethelites, and college kids.

  I feel the just puinishment for Johnnie is banisment with his citizen being stripped. It would serve the purpose.

  I would agree with that. If he really did deliberately fight against the U.S., I think it's appropriate to say fine, you made your choice, now you cannot be a U.S. citizen any more.

  After the extremeist in the Arab-Muslim world whim he been dealing with gets though with him, he would be better off dead. I can just see him over in Afghanistan 10 years later, know ing he made a big mistake. If johnnie crosses these guys, going to jail over there will be an experience of a lifetime. Most likely he will be dead.

  Propaganda.

  Johnnie is better off in this country serving life in prison. 3 squares, tv, vistors, etc will beat jail in a Arab-Muslim nation anyday.

  Conservative propaganda. That old lie about how soft our prisons are is conservative nonsense. Jail is bad, no matter the conditions. Given Walker's notoriety, he'll be killed quickly while in prison. Or else raped daily. Yeah, 3 squares and a rape a day. How easy life will be for this kid in the decadent, ultra-liberal USA.
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  John Walker

  by mike047 in

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  the u.s. government is returning john walker to the states for trial.

  what do you consider an appropriate punishment for his mis-deeds?.

  i think, he should be[if found guilty]stipped of his citizenship and returned to somewhere in the mideast to spend the rest of his life,with no possibility to return to the u.s. for any reason.

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  The thing is these are all big players involved with world events playing with big stakes and a lot of major stuff has happened the past several months and then right in the middle of it all is this dumb kid named Johnny from high school. Something is definately wrong with this pitcure.[:?]

  As I'm sure you know, this is just the way the corporations that control the media like it. They would rather the American people not focus on things that could cause them to questioni the status quo. So the media instead tends to hop from one 'big' story to another, flogging it to death, while ignoring the important stories that tell the real situation. Celebrity stories are big (Condit, OJ), as are patriotic stories (traitor Walker). Anything to distract the American people from what really happens.
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  Flood Legends "Proof" of Global Flood...

  by AlanF in

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  the march 1, 2002 watchtower contains a couple of articles on noah's flood and the application of this legend to "our day".

  thrust of the articles is first to show that the flood was a real, earthwide event, and then to scare ignorant readers into accepting the jw message by claiming that our world is about to undergo a similar divine punishment.

  pretty standard fare for long time jw observers.. in the past the watchtower society has published extensive material purporting to show that a global flood occurred a few thousand years ago.

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  Earnest,

  I agree with you that it used to be easier to give these sorts of explanations for people were predisposed to believe. So you are saying the argument went like this?: 'It says mountain, but it means only as far up the side of the mountain as people lived, and since people mostly lived in the valleys...'
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  Flood Legends "Proof" of Global Flood...

  by AlanF in

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  the march 1, 2002 watchtower contains a couple of articles on noah's flood and the application of this legend to "our day".

  thrust of the articles is first to show that the flood was a real, earthwide event, and then to scare ignorant readers into accepting the jw message by claiming that our world is about to undergo a similar divine punishment.

  pretty standard fare for long time jw observers.. in the past the watchtower society has published extensive material purporting to show that a global flood occurred a few thousand years ago.

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  Sorry, D Wiltshire, but if you want to pick on me again by calling me silly and clueless, you'll have to be specific about my silly cluelessness. Being silly and clueless, I'm clueless to what you are talking about, unless you have misunderstood my meaning again.
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  Flood Legends "Proof" of Global Flood...

  by AlanF in

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  the march 1, 2002 watchtower contains a couple of articles on noah's flood and the application of this legend to "our day".

  thrust of the articles is first to show that the flood was a real, earthwide event, and then to scare ignorant readers into accepting the jw message by claiming that our world is about to undergo a similar divine punishment.

  pretty standard fare for long time jw observers.. in the past the watchtower society has published extensive material purporting to show that a global flood occurred a few thousand years ago.

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  Earnest,

  Thank you for your response.

  By and large the Christian apologists argued that the Biblical flood was global. However, pseudo-Justin related that some say the water only inundated the inhabited parts of the earth. In answer to the argument that scripture records the water covered the highest mountains, he replies that perhaps only the valleys were occupied. (Quaestiones et responsiones ad orthodoxos,PG,VI,1282).

  Even flooding the known inhabited part of the earth would have required something beyond anything recorded in geology. As for the Bible meaning valleys when it says the highest mountains, I'm wondering what his reasoning was to allow such a switch in meaning. Do you know what he said about that?
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  Flood Legends "Proof" of Global Flood...

  by AlanF in

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  the march 1, 2002 watchtower contains a couple of articles on noah's flood and the application of this legend to "our day".

  thrust of the articles is first to show that the flood was a real, earthwide event, and then to scare ignorant readers into accepting the jw message by claiming that our world is about to undergo a similar divine punishment.

  pretty standard fare for long time jw observers.. in the past the watchtower society has published extensive material purporting to show that a global flood occurred a few thousand years ago.

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  There may also be other reasons that God had Noah build an Ark to save him from the flood waters that were to come, rather than simply tell him to move to higher ground, and give him plenty of notice so he would have sufficient time to avoid the flood. The Bible tells us that "Noah was a preacher of righteousness." He probably continued urging the residents of his land to repent and accept God's provision for their salvation right up to the day it began to rain. (Gen.7:11-13) If Noah had relocated somewhere outside of the land that was to be flooded he would have been unable to offer his neighbors a way to escape God's coming judgment nearly as long as he did.

  Great. So 119 years, 11 months, and 3 1/2 weeks wasn't enough preaching. He needed that last day or two for return visits, huh. Sorry, that makes no sense to me. Besides, that would mean Noah was keeping the wicked from heading for higher ground too. Nasty trick.

  But since your argument was one against the seaworthiness of all wooden ships, I thought it was relevant to mention them. Especially since I believe they endured much more difficult conditions at sea than Noah's ark was subjected to. And besides, as I also pointed out, those wooden ships were designed by mere men. The Bible says God designed Noah's ark. I think God is capable of designing a wooden vessel of that size that could float in what were probably fairly calm waters for several months

  The seaworthiness of all wooden ships is clearly not in question. It is the particular design of the ark that was so stupid. If God designed it, He made a shape guaranteed to fail. And no, other ships did not have a harder time than the ark. If the flood was as cataclysmic as flood believers are forced to say it was (to make the mountains, freeze the arctic, destory civiliations), the ark would have been in for a heck of a ride. Lesser ships would have failed. The ark would have been in splinters in no time flat. It wasn't the later floating around for months that would have been hard. It was the cataclysm part.
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  Flood Legends "Proof" of Global Flood...

  by AlanF in

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  the march 1, 2002 watchtower contains a couple of articles on noah's flood and the application of this legend to "our day".

  thrust of the articles is first to show that the flood was a real, earthwide event, and then to scare ignorant readers into accepting the jw message by claiming that our world is about to undergo a similar divine punishment.

  pretty standard fare for long time jw observers.. in the past the watchtower society has published extensive material purporting to show that a global flood occurred a few thousand years ago.

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  aChristian,

  Thank you again for responding to my question. To be honest, I'm not convinced. It sounds as if God caused Moses to write down an account that totally fooled believers for millenia until science came along and told them how it really was. That makes no sense.

  And if Noah had to go in the ark merely as a picture of what was to come, it means all the evil persons outside the ark could just head to higher ground and escape. After all, the Bible makes it clear that this wasn't some dam bursting and a rush of water came along destroying everything in its path (which would have included the ark as well), but a gradual rising of water thanks to steady rainfall for forty days. Well, if it was as the Bible said, the bad folks could just walk to safety. Truly the account becomes a meaningless symbolism.

  I choose Occam's razor: The account plainly says it was global in every aspect, thus the writer meant global, even though he was wrong.
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  A little slice of life

  by Julie in

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  as you all know life can be full of difficulties and heartbreaks.

  i have recently been through some minor (but nonetheless extremely irritating) difficulties and have also been dealing with the heart-ache of watching someone very dear to me reach the end of life.. with these things on my mind i was trying to go about my business, was putting away some laundry and happened to look out the window a couple of days ago.

  here in northern michigan it has been unseasonably warm lately so the kids have been outside enjoying it.

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  I'm sorry to hear of your difficulties, Julie, but glad to hear of your perspective on life. It's one of your traits I find most appealing.