blondie, don't you mean 120 years before the flood, instead of 120 days before the flood? DJ w
Yeah, the ark was not a quick build. Jesus the carpenter still having no power tools must have known that.
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49Start of the Great Tribulation will be announced soon
by joey jojo inat the 2021 annual meeting, samuel herd revealed new light and claimed the anointed will all have passed away before armageddon.
it has since been revealed that while they will die before armageddon, there will be some anointed still around that will witness the start of the great tribulation.. so the question is, how many years until the existing members of the governing body have passed away?.
im not a doctor, but based on their age and various stages of obesity, im thinking 10- 15 years- give or take, sounds about right.. with that in mind, the great tribulation could be announced any day.. the new understanding has now freed the org from the burden of having to identify a particular generation in relation to the date of armageddon.
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waton
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Start of the Great Tribulation will be announced soon
by joey jojo inat the 2021 annual meeting, samuel herd revealed new light and claimed the anointed will all have passed away before armageddon.
it has since been revealed that while they will die before armageddon, there will be some anointed still around that will witness the start of the great tribulation.. so the question is, how many years until the existing members of the governing body have passed away?.
im not a doctor, but based on their age and various stages of obesity, im thinking 10- 15 years- give or take, sounds about right.. with that in mind, the great tribulation could be announced any day.. the new understanding has now freed the org from the burden of having to identify a particular generation in relation to the date of armageddon.
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waton
I wondered when the WTS said that anointed would be alive on earth after Armageddon, how could they blondie
exactly, I believe JJ was mistaken about that. that idea was not a wt doctrine for the last 70 years. curiously
jesus said though, that the tribulation would be cut short, so some flesh of the chosen ones might be saved. he clearly did only speak of the first fulfillment for the anointed, not a latter day anointed generation.
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Start of the Great Tribulation will be announced soon
by joey jojo inat the 2021 annual meeting, samuel herd revealed new light and claimed the anointed will all have passed away before armageddon.
it has since been revealed that while they will die before armageddon, there will be some anointed still around that will witness the start of the great tribulation.. so the question is, how many years until the existing members of the governing body have passed away?.
im not a doctor, but based on their age and various stages of obesity, im thinking 10- 15 years- give or take, sounds about right.. with that in mind, the great tribulation could be announced any day.. the new understanding has now freed the org from the burden of having to identify a particular generation in relation to the date of armageddon.
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waton
But the Bible does say that there is an elite group that goes to heaven whoever they are and that not everyone goes to heaven. Whether or not the Bible is true and whether or not the JW so called anointed class is real, the Bible says that the Apostles and others go to heaven. Fm
right. One restraint on membership in the 'rulers in heaven' is to be axed or guillotines to death for the upright Christian faith. Rev. 20.
The wt memorial ceremony has nothing to do with that. As Simon said, more believers were martyred before 1914, when the wt partaker count started. and,
In the 50s, wt did teach that the Great Tribulation had started in 1914, (WW1, Spanish Flu) and all that.
it was interrupted in 1918, (millions will never die) to allow the great crowd to come out of that era, and will resume at Armageddon whenever that would be: now, 2075 or past the 118+1914 mark. old light.
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Start of the Great Tribulation will be announced soon
by joey jojo inat the 2021 annual meeting, samuel herd revealed new light and claimed the anointed will all have passed away before armageddon.
it has since been revealed that while they will die before armageddon, there will be some anointed still around that will witness the start of the great tribulation.. so the question is, how many years until the existing members of the governing body have passed away?.
im not a doctor, but based on their age and various stages of obesity, im thinking 10- 15 years- give or take, sounds about right.. with that in mind, the great tribulation could be announced any day.. the new understanding has now freed the org from the burden of having to identify a particular generation in relation to the date of armageddon.
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waton
So apparently people were loyal to the point of death but they weren't "genuine"? anointed?
Simon, right. One could be burned at the stake but squeezed out of that limited number of partaker slots available, and besides, you could be a bible writer, like James, and Paul, but not be part of the feeding Faithful and Discreet Slave,
There seems to be no limit to the arrogance and self aggrandizement, disdain for others among the wt elite.
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Start of the Great Tribulation will be announced soon
by joey jojo inat the 2021 annual meeting, samuel herd revealed new light and claimed the anointed will all have passed away before armageddon.
it has since been revealed that while they will die before armageddon, there will be some anointed still around that will witness the start of the great tribulation.. so the question is, how many years until the existing members of the governing body have passed away?.
im not a doctor, but based on their age and various stages of obesity, im thinking 10- 15 years- give or take, sounds about right.. with that in mind, the great tribulation could be announced any day.. the new understanding has now freed the org from the burden of having to identify a particular generation in relation to the date of armageddon.
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waton
Jesus, in his end time prophecy [about jerusalem] did not set those terms at all. He said instead, his generation, including the soon to be anointed listeners, , would
NOT PASS AWAY
until all the the prophecy is to be fulfilled. so:
sorry anointed, you can flee to the mountains, hide, but your prophecy is wrong, the generation will survive. not pass away at the outset of the Great Tribulation. it is a great travesty, false prophecy instead. .
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1914- responsible for the biggest decrease in JW's?
by joey jojo intheres a couple of threads re: 1914 on the board right now and it got me thinking.. the jw doctrine of the 1914 generation is a key doctrine , yet it is probably the number one reason most have left over the decades.. 1975- within one generation.. 1995 - new understanding of the word generation.. 2010- overlapping generation first mentioned- some anointed survive armageddon.. 2015- infamous overlapping generations chart featuring david splane.. its obvious the org is changing the goalposts and constantly trying to squeeze as much time as they can before they have to abandon this altogether.
or will they come up with something new?.
does anyone else think this ever changing doctrine is responsible for the biggest loss of members?.
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waton
Matthew 24:34 give us confidence that at least some of “this generation will by no means pass away” before seeing the start of the great tribulation.” Watchtower 2014 Jan 15 p.31
jj: here you can see the twisting by wt writers of the original text.
Jesus said that all these things will come to pass, then the generation would die (like it did in the first century). "all these things" obviously includes the disaster bigger than Noah's flood. aka Armageddon. that Jesus mentioned as fact in the prophecy.
The start of the GT is only a blip in all that.
wt says : generation dies at the beginning
"Jesus" says: generation will die off long after it is all over. (Jesus spoke to an anointed survivor 30 years later)
Even outright contradictions will not really sink in, here, or in wt land.
no shrinking of membership over absolute doctrinal error, sad but true, truth does not matter.
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1914- responsible for the biggest decrease in JW's?
by joey jojo intheres a couple of threads re: 1914 on the board right now and it got me thinking.. the jw doctrine of the 1914 generation is a key doctrine , yet it is probably the number one reason most have left over the decades.. 1975- within one generation.. 1995 - new understanding of the word generation.. 2010- overlapping generation first mentioned- some anointed survive armageddon.. 2015- infamous overlapping generations chart featuring david splane.. its obvious the org is changing the goalposts and constantly trying to squeeze as much time as they can before they have to abandon this altogether.
or will they come up with something new?.
does anyone else think this ever changing doctrine is responsible for the biggest loss of members?.
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waton
joey jojo can you provide a link from wt publications to that idea?2010- overlapping generation first mentioned- some anointed survive armageddon.
The only support for that wt doctrine I can remember, was an illustration of a well muscled wanderer with knotty walking stick striding by gardens of the New World settlements. Current wt doctrine has the anointed dying at the onset of the Great Tribulation.
At the meeting the article was studied, I instantaneously knew in my mind that my time in the Witness religion was over
LHG, I remember the instant feeling too, but not which study. By the time David S delivered his PHD, it had become a joke to me. .
JW membership numbers have not declined, but progress, increase has. Nobody is coming "into the truth" excited about the doctrines.
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2022 - 1914 = ?
by fedup inobviously not the orgs brightest moment for teaching that the generation of 1914 would be alive to see paradise.
forget the "new light" that bought them an extra 100 years, which if any other religion would've done this, the org would scream false religion.
the fact is that for 75 years this #1 recruiting message from the society was a lie.. i asked a current jw to get a calculator and do the math: 2022 - 1914 = an angry reaction.
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waton
My 89 Y O father
SB: is that the caption for the picture? that violates at least on of the ten tenets. but:
like father, like son, so, is that a selfie?
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2022 - 1914 = ?
by fedup inobviously not the orgs brightest moment for teaching that the generation of 1914 would be alive to see paradise.
forget the "new light" that bought them an extra 100 years, which if any other religion would've done this, the org would scream false religion.
the fact is that for 75 years this #1 recruiting message from the society was a lie.. i asked a current jw to get a calculator and do the math: 2022 - 1914 = an angry reaction.
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waton
fedup, do the math: 2022 - 1914 =
108. there are currently 300 people positively known to be over 110, perhaps a thousand at 108. a generation that has not passed.
wt's mistake was to pick the anointed partakers among all the living to be the true last generation. An undisturbed lifespan of a human is 120 years. 1914+120 =134. so,
wt's fixation on the anointed is the Big Mistake, because they dont matter. because Jesus said: all should partake. anyway. ( the French record holders, absolute: 122 and current: 108, did in fact partake: of communion)
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2022 - 1914 = ?
by fedup inobviously not the orgs brightest moment for teaching that the generation of 1914 would be alive to see paradise.
forget the "new light" that bought them an extra 100 years, which if any other religion would've done this, the org would scream false religion.
the fact is that for 75 years this #1 recruiting message from the society was a lie.. i asked a current jw to get a calculator and do the math: 2022 - 1914 = an angry reaction.
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waton
- rehab- the generation teaching go away will take some work- I think they made a big mistake trying to rehab it with the overlapping generations. TonusOH.
No, it is the Anointing of the generation, in the second fulfillment that is fundamentally wrong.
The general population of old ladies in okinawa, southern France will live to 2032+ no overlap required.
The only generation in the wt fulfillment, (which is the second coming) is made up of those that somehow survive Armageddon, but die in the final test on the 4 cornered earth. because,
!) they have to die, pass away after the end time prophecy is fulfilled, and/but
2) can not be the sympathetic Sheep, because they pass into "everlasting life" so,
a rehab will only result in a a really convoluted pretzel.
better to scrap the whole thing, not even to recycle the waste.