Posts by waton

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The Truth about the Truth

by Iamallcool in

jw
friends

if jw wants to know the truth about the truth, what will you talk about first?

waton

If the core of the argument is the generation, "truth" would boil down to Jesus' words , so:

It is a generation that will pass away ! just "--not until all -- has -- happened." therefore,

it must be a generation that survives Armageddon. but then dies.

according to wt doctrine: that are those who become wicked after Armageddon, in the new system, perhaps during the post - millenium rebellion.

the overlap takes wt to 2075. the 'death after Armageddon' that Mathew's writings require: 1000 years into the future: 3075.

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Resurrection after a death sentence in the OT?

by EdenOne in

i have a question for those more versed in biblical history than i. .

knowing that a belief in a resurrection on messianic times was a later jewish belief ... but still ... did the ot jews believe that someone served a capital punishment / death sentence would be elegible for future resurrection?.

meaning: when coding the torah, did its writers intended that the capital punishment also be understood as an obliteration for all eternity?.

waton

not a scholar at all, but the idea of a dignified burial, in the "memorial tombs", compared to be dumped over the edge at the valley of Hinnom, aka Gehenna, or being eaten by the dogs says it all. or?

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The Truth about the Truth

by Iamallcool in

jw
friends

if jw wants to know the truth about the truth, what will you talk about first?

waton

I would talk about the reason she wants to know the truth. --more about what truth? the wt "truth"?

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Is the Bible of extraterrestrial origin?

by Vanderhoven7 in

highly illuminating video.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkhdyhmolmw.

i thought these bible cryptologists were all nuts.

this guy changed my mind..

waton

lets see an abstract of the claims, numbers in writing.

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Is most of the promotion of creationism, not just that by the WT, charlatanism?

by Disillusioned JW in

is most of the promotion of creationism, not just that by the wt, charlatanism?.

https://www.fullmoon.nu/sources.bak/chapter%2010/part%202/gish%20exposed.html [which has an article called "creationism: bad science or immoral pseudoscience?

- (an expose of creationist dr. duane gish)"] says the following.. 'a look at the "scientific" creationist movement and a close examination of the tactics of a well-known and influential creationist will reveal that the creation "science" movement gains much of its strength through the use of distortion and scientifically unethical tactics.. .... with the facts explained and the lawsuits won, scientists declared victory and returned to their labs and offices.

waton

DJ, IT IS LINKED TO MY VIEW OF TIME, THAT SEEMS TO BE THE first DIMENSION, EXISTING PRIOR TO MATTER. the big beginning was just a point in time. the universe is still expanding into time.

the mainstream view is that time started to roll with the big bang, and we all have timelines, that spool out so to speak. .\or time is a flowing river.

i consider time as static, infinite in the past and future. the creator is not moving through time, James 1. but we do. for a time, some distance in time.

With the creator/ trice occupying time in all directions, past and future, the point in time, our universe, the temple had to be inside the creator, not the other way around.

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Is most of the promotion of creationism, not just that by the WT, charlatanism?

by Disillusioned JW in

is most of the promotion of creationism, not just that by the wt, charlatanism?.

https://www.fullmoon.nu/sources.bak/chapter%2010/part%202/gish%20exposed.html [which has an article called "creationism: bad science or immoral pseudoscience?

- (an expose of creationist dr. duane gish)"] says the following.. 'a look at the "scientific" creationist movement and a close examination of the tactics of a well-known and influential creationist will reveal that the creation "science" movement gains much of its strength through the use of distortion and scientifically unethical tactics.. .... with the facts explained and the lawsuits won, scientists declared victory and returned to their labs and offices.

waton

god exists and that the god is a female,

DJ: I am just playing with the biblical idea, that (in connection with the temple dedication) it was said, that the whole universe could not contain the creator. that was certainly true at the Big Bang, when all what we have today, was contained in a singularity. With an omnipresent creator, that would have him containing the all, which is really the hallmark of a female.

I have the greatest admiration of the creation, but it is work, not the worker, in my view., but a great window into his/her personality.

There are non biblical messages in creation, artwork so to speak that goes beyond strictly utilitarian/ most efficient developments. I have seen that a J figures in it. for en-Joy or may be the tribe of Joseph.

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Is most of the promotion of creationism, not just that by the WT, charlatanism?

by Disillusioned JW in

is most of the promotion of creationism, not just that by the wt, charlatanism?.

https://www.fullmoon.nu/sources.bak/chapter%2010/part%202/gish%20exposed.html [which has an article called "creationism: bad science or immoral pseudoscience?

- (an expose of creationist dr. duane gish)"] says the following.. 'a look at the "scientific" creationist movement and a close examination of the tactics of a well-known and influential creationist will reveal that the creation "science" movement gains much of its strength through the use of distortion and scientifically unethical tactics.. .... with the facts explained and the lawsuits won, scientists declared victory and returned to their labs and offices.

waton

evolution is a tool of creation, shaping, a process that for us, started 13.8 billion years ago, and had a major event after the first 10, with abiogenesis, the start of organic life.

It is not about kid's feelings, but an immense reality out there.

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Is most of the promotion of creationism, not just that by the WT, charlatanism?

by Disillusioned JW in

is most of the promotion of creationism, not just that by the wt, charlatanism?.

https://www.fullmoon.nu/sources.bak/chapter%2010/part%202/gish%20exposed.html [which has an article called "creationism: bad science or immoral pseudoscience?

- (an expose of creationist dr. duane gish)"] says the following.. 'a look at the "scientific" creationist movement and a close examination of the tactics of a well-known and influential creationist will reveal that the creation "science" movement gains much of its strength through the use of distortion and scientifically unethical tactics.. .... with the facts explained and the lawsuits won, scientists declared victory and returned to their labs and offices.

waton

created a favorable environment for nature (undirected by any intelligence) to bring into being the various chemicals.

DJ: and that is where the creator comes in. The genius is, that it took uncreated energy, & laws to create and govern the universe and its different structure, including life's developments.

Newton thought that god had to tinker to keep it stable for so long. we think we know better now.

she is smarter than that.

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From Paradise Lost To Paradise Regained: Is the WTS the sole promoter of this doctrine?

by Pallbearer in

howdy folks,.

i am interested in learning whether or not the watchtower society is the only religious entity that teaches the "from paradise lost to paradise regained" idea.. the "idea" is that god's original purpose for man and the earth has not changed.

god purposed for adam and eve and their offspring to reproduce and fill the earth and live forever upon it; but the problem of sin entered into the picture and temporarily interrupted that purpose from being completed.

waton

Please....devil...big loser, not big lover. Vdh

a freudian slip.

"God loved the world so much", and of course so does the world's god, his own.

as the musical had it, " I wished god (or the devil) would love somebody else for a change." and stop using us as their battlefield. punching bag,

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Is most of the promotion of creationism, not just that by the WT, charlatanism?

by Disillusioned JW in

is most of the promotion of creationism, not just that by the wt, charlatanism?.

https://www.fullmoon.nu/sources.bak/chapter%2010/part%202/gish%20exposed.html [which has an article called "creationism: bad science or immoral pseudoscience?

- (an expose of creationist dr. duane gish)"] says the following.. 'a look at the "scientific" creationist movement and a close examination of the tactics of a well-known and influential creationist will reveal that the creation "science" movement gains much of its strength through the use of distortion and scientifically unethical tactics.. .... with the facts explained and the lawsuits won, scientists declared victory and returned to their labs and offices.

waton

we’ve been able to create all but ~10 in the lab simply by simulating an early earth environment.

AM: that only leaves the small detail to also furnish the sun energy the earth, the lab.

just because we find out how it works -- does not mean it was not work in the first place.