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the gaping hole in this week's weak wt study.

by waton in

for pimi pimo persons: give us one text that says those aspiring to everlasting life should not partake of the bread and wine.

in the article, the whole proposition of refusing the emblems is based on the personal experience of one brother in the 1930s.!

all jws partook.

waton

They would be celebrating the memorial in remembrance of their Lord, for forgiveness of sins as well as being participants of the new covenant as leaders of the Israel of God (Matt. 26:28; 1 Cor. 11:25; Gal. 6:15, 16; Rev. 14:1-5; 20:4). Jesus’ earthly subjects would celebrate the memorial in remembrance of their Lord, for forgiveness sins and being participants of the new covenant as part of the Israel of God. By so doing both groups would be unified in “proclaiming the death of the Lord until he arrives” and attaining the forgiveness of sins (Matt. 26:28; 1 Cor. 11:24-26; Gal. 6:15, 16; cf. John 6:56).

V : repetition for emphasis ! even if it will take a 1000 years to have sins erased according to wt. 1000 years of sheers.

celebrating by raising the cup to their lips. read my lips!

53

the gaping hole in this week's weak wt study.

by waton in

for pimi pimo persons: give us one text that says those aspiring to everlasting life should not partake of the bread and wine.

in the article, the whole proposition of refusing the emblems is based on the personal experience of one brother in the 1930s.!

all jws partook.

waton

Revelation says specifically 12.000 from each tribe . And no one has commented on the Great Crowd , who are in front of the Throne

jh : going back to the exodus/ passover theme of the OP. Originally it was the firstborn of each tribe leaving Egypt, the passed over ones, that were supposed to t take the lead, direct worship in the young nation, --- until Moses, Levi usurped that by institutionalizing a clergy type monopoly arrangement. ( writing the narrative too).

Rev. 7 brings it back to the original, the 12 000 are the token firstborn of each tribe, that will be priest, leaders.

the non- anointed leftover after that sealing , the ordinary joes, and josephines could well be that great crowd. after all there is nothing wrong with having some take charge, like the 144 ks/

revelation is ambiguous though, the New Jerusalem ( the 144 000 ) is said to come down from heaven, with open pearly gates, named after the 12 tribes. Supporting the idea, that the great crowd, the 12 tribes will stream into it to get at the water.

One way or another. all Israelites ate the bread, (later drank the wine) the lamb. blood on the doors, not just the [future] kings or priests. ALL. families. not just the firstborn.

not one text is offered to justify that big black hole.

the exclusion from partaking of most, for whom Jesus died.

53

the gaping hole in this week's weak wt study.

by waton in

for pimi pimo persons: give us one text that says those aspiring to everlasting life should not partake of the bread and wine.

in the article, the whole proposition of refusing the emblems is based on the personal experience of one brother in the 1930s.!

all jws partook.

waton

Jesus did not mean that literally that people have to eat and drink anything to get life.

R: of course. the language refers to an abstract concept, but took on a symbolism when the phrase " "--"this means my body--" was introduced into the story. " drink all of you " is taken to mean those present at the last supper, all earthly hope believers. bew. ( even Jesus had to have a early earthly assurance to be the second Adam).

But not a peep out of wt speakers, why that affirmation is not required today, when and how it was scripturally abandoned ,

53

the gaping hole in this week's weak wt study.

by waton in

for pimi pimo persons: give us one text that says those aspiring to everlasting life should not partake of the bread and wine.

in the article, the whole proposition of refusing the emblems is based on the personal experience of one brother in the 1930s.!

all jws partook.

waton

the 144 , 000 are Jews that have been saved

jh: watchtower writers operate under the assumption that all references to "jew" Israelite, has changed for Christians with Paul's introduction in Gal 6:16 of the 'Israel of God" aka "spiritual Israel", made up of spiritual jews.

All Israel was in the law covenant, all spiritual jews are in the new covenant, all must take the emblems of that covenant for forgiveness of sin.

Particularly the so called OS, because unlike the "anointed" , who die to go to heaven, the supposed future survivors of Armageddon would never personally pay the penalty for sin.

Christ died for the world. the world's believers, , not only the 144000 should partake.

no text says otherwise.

53

the gaping hole in this week's weak wt study.

by waton in

for pimi pimo persons: give us one text that says those aspiring to everlasting life should not partake of the bread and wine.

in the article, the whole proposition of refusing the emblems is based on the personal experience of one brother in the 1930s.!

all jws partook.

waton

Luke is sometimes quoted as the justification for only the anointed partaking the emblems:

sbf: thank you for that detail. Interestingly though, these first partakers were of the earthly class at the time. and all jws are potential anointed ones, of course.

spiritual Israel—are in the “new covenant”.
waton says: fine, trouble for wt writers is, that the "israel of god" the 12 tribes are far more numerous then the 144 000. after all, these come out of the 12 larger tribes.

According to wt writings, the '12 tribes' are all the 'not anointed' citizens,

not one scriptures says that only the "sealed" should partake. The new covenant is for forgiveness of sins that all need.

The new covenant is much broader than the kingdom covenant.

The gb is powerless to impart life, which is promised exclusively through the symbol of the emblem's consumption.

53

the gaping hole in this week's weak wt study.

by waton in

for pimi pimo persons: give us one text that says those aspiring to everlasting life should not partake of the bread and wine.

in the article, the whole proposition of refusing the emblems is based on the personal experience of one brother in the 1930s.!

all jws partook.

waton

some scripture to show that anointing can happen many years after baptism. So a person with the earthly hope can at any time proclaim themselves anointed.

h: right! the greatest example are the apostles. At the last supper, with an entrenched earthly hope ( wanted to eat and drink wine, rule as kings in Israel) they partook of the emblems,--- to become anointed only 50 days later'

The first partakers had an earthly hope, no text says that has ever changed.

53

the gaping hole in this week's weak wt study.

by waton in

for pimi pimo persons: give us one text that says those aspiring to everlasting life should not partake of the bread and wine.

in the article, the whole proposition of refusing the emblems is based on the personal experience of one brother in the 1930s.!

all jws partook.

waton

Is there actually a difference between eternal life , immortality ?

J: yes there is. if Jesus, the son, would have been inherently immortal, he could never have been put to death, really die. , but as the 'second Adam', he had only the right to everlasting life. They should have let him live to be over a 1000. to prove it.

not one text to show that exclusively the anointed, not the ordinary Joe and Josephine jws should eat and drink saturday next.

53

the gaping hole in this week's weak wt study.

by waton in

for pimi pimo persons: give us one text that says those aspiring to everlasting life should not partake of the bread and wine.

in the article, the whole proposition of refusing the emblems is based on the personal experience of one brother in the 1930s.!

all jws partook.

waton

flesh died for us. It refers to life on earth as well as heaven.

R: right, so all must partake. heavenly or earthly "class".

what text would say otherwise?

53

the gaping hole in this week's weak wt study.

by waton in

for pimi pimo persons: give us one text that says those aspiring to everlasting life should not partake of the bread and wine.

in the article, the whole proposition of refusing the emblems is based on the personal experience of one brother in the 1930s.!

all jws partook.

waton

unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life -- Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day” John 6:48-54
Are the GB members sentencing their brothers to death?

V: the right quote. The ransom, new covenant partaking is a must for all, for the anointed, giving up life on earth to gain immortality might follow, by the sealing.

The GB members do not have the power to sentence in the divine sense, but their false policy on this "blood" and bread issue deprives the average Joe and Josephine jw at least of the appearance of life's hope. hpe not.

53

the gaping hole in this week's weak wt study.

by waton in

for pimi pimo persons: give us one text that says those aspiring to everlasting life should not partake of the bread and wine.

in the article, the whole proposition of refusing the emblems is based on the personal experience of one brother in the 1930s.!

all jws partook.

waton

John 6 has a bearing on this

NK: right, there is a difference too between the right to everlasting life and immortality.

wt teaches that partaking gets you the right to everlasting life on earth. The anointed, by virtue of their partaking, acquire that right and, like Jesus, have to sacrifice that right to obtain immortality. so:

How dare the wt leaders then not allowing step one, partaking, for the general membershyp? after all.

the 144 000 come out of the 12 [spiritual] Tribes of Israel. and all of that Israel is in the [new] covenant.