Posts by waton

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The Mysterious Missing Islam.....

by snare&racket in

i've discussed this before but not in this context alone.. i remember being about 14 years old, 1994 and starting a study in the uk with a charming muslim from the congo.

he was a very pleasant middle aged guy with a big family, two wives, always the most hospitable.

at the time the watchtower had a book on many religions, a thick red book called 'mankind's search for god' so i would read and discuss the section on islam with him.. interestingly, but not surprising, many details they had were wrong about islam and he would explain how and correct me.

waton

Just replace the Elder's titles with "Mullah," give them the power to execute rather than just shun,

take "ALL", and add the 2 last letters of the jw's god name,

Make "Jesus" a minor prophet like na-hum. declare the Koran to be the "new scrolls"

Really apply the bible's dress code to "sisters" Give the ladies their own, larger, room in the KD Hall ,

take out the chairs,

mandate beards, ---Voila,

Many jw males would live with that. rather than have their throats cut. and their widows, orphan daughters join the harens of the survivors.

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Christmas star of Bethlehem to appear for 1st. Time in 800 years

by nowwhat? in

as spock would say " fascinating".. with 2020 being such a terrible year.

are people of the christian faith going to look at this as a sign of god, to give them hope and renew their faith?

coincidence?

waton

For a specific locale, now astro event can pinpoint the site from all directions for long, a walking traveler.

The only analogy would be the "Christmas tree" markers release by the pathfinder "Mosquito" aircraft to start their night time bombing runs at that point. Even then, the marking lights lasted only minutes.

May be an early version of the fire in a tethered montgolfiere?

"Bethlehem" is a story only, face it.

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Why is the Watchtower "soft" on China?

by Sad-u-see in

let's see, wt is "banned" in china.

the wt preaches that reaching everyone on the planet is so important, yet they barely have a footprint in china.

if saving lives was so important, why do they not aggressively proselytize in china?

waton

The phillipines years ago was noted for the beheading of pioneers --- men and women.

tl 123, That was far from the Philippines official stand. You could not find a more tolerant country folks, except in the radicalized south. but

wait until China extends the red nine dot line another 500 km, 1/3 out.

PS: or were thinking of Magellan? the martyr, who started to make the country Catholic, without which wt inc. would never have prospered there.

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Why is the Watchtower "soft" on China?

by Sad-u-see in

let's see, wt is "banned" in china.

the wt preaches that reaching everyone on the planet is so important, yet they barely have a footprint in china.

if saving lives was so important, why do they not aggressively proselytize in china?

waton

, silence Russia, Russia not China?

because wt inc. has no real ~~kingdom~~ estate interests in China.

No open presence in, - silence on - Islamic countries roo. in both cases , imprisoned Witnesses would be slave labour, slaving for the prison authorities, not wt inc anymore.

Even GB members do not want to stick their necks out. of course

"Jesus" said: "if they persecute in one city, go to another".

"Sad-u-see" morning smile, clever!

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Loyalty to God ( or the Society ) Before The Familiar

by BluesBrother in

this week's midweek meeting has an item on this theme.

as usual there is a video to show:-.

https://www.jw.org/en/library/videos/#en/mediaitems/vodbibleprinciples/pub-jwbai_201611_1_video.

waton

It is wt inc. , the elders they appointed who have to return.

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Christmas star of Bethlehem to appear for 1st. Time in 800 years

by nowwhat? in

as spock would say " fascinating".. with 2020 being such a terrible year.

are people of the christian faith going to look at this as a sign of god, to give them hope and renew their faith?

coincidence?

waton

every 800 years? no wonder the ancients turned to t stargazing to try to predict the future, because astronomy has a good record on that., now reaching back and forwaed in time and place thousands of years, to the second the kilometer.

wt predictions. 14, 25, 75, 75 are a complete failure by comparison.

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Loyalty to God ( or the Society ) Before The Familiar

by BluesBrother in

this week's midweek meeting has an item on this theme.

as usual there is a video to show:-.

https://www.jw.org/en/library/videos/#en/mediaitems/vodbibleprinciples/pub-jwbai_201611_1_video.

waton

In the film, the son seems to be an above average kid, does not leave a messy room, when mom checks.!! so,

The parents decide do break the relationship. On wt orders. For wt writer's fear that they too might discover something bad enough to give a good reason leave altogether.

How to atone for this? to dull the pain?, create more pain! pioneer! aka self flagellation. Funny, how

All these sob stories, whether it is "Andre' "or Andrea, always end up with the lead character pioneering', like in the fairy tales: "and they lived happily ever after" implied.

Who pays for all this?

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Christmas star of Bethlehem to appear for 1st. Time in 800 years

by nowwhat? in

as spock would say " fascinating".. with 2020 being such a terrible year.

are people of the christian faith going to look at this as a sign of god, to give them hope and renew their faith?

coincidence?

waton

The 2 planets are in the night sky right now, You can get the perspective, an idea of the depth of space, with Saturn ~ twice as far away as Jupiter, and 1/4 dimmer, despite the shiny , icy rings. ---look west, then 30 degrees south and 20 degrees up.

Outstanding guiding "stars" ??, only in bible stories.

CS to you all, ( clear skies) as the astro phils wii greet you)

P.S. Christmas here seems to be kind of a cargo cult, hoping that Rudolph will home in on the chimney with the gaudiest light display.

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Fear > Facts (WT Study Article 12/6/2020

by Jofi_Wofo in

a doozy in today's study article brought me to post here for the first time in a while.

once again, watchtower leadership is doing its level best to make their adherents as fearful of inconvenient facts as they, themselves, are.. "like timothy, we must also discern the danger of false information spread by apostates.

(1 tim.

waton

not EVEN part of the great crowd of other sheep?

Lltr: according to wr, the great crowd does not really exist ye, t because the come out of the Great Tribulation, which has not happened yet, and which might not happen until 2075.

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Fear > Facts (WT Study Article 12/6/2020

by Jofi_Wofo in

a doozy in today's study article brought me to post here for the first time in a while.

once again, watchtower leadership is doing its level best to make their adherents as fearful of inconvenient facts as they, themselves, are.. "like timothy, we must also discern the danger of false information spread by apostates.

(1 tim.

waton

Jo Wo : very eloquently expressed.

my notes : # 4: could not learn wt stuff from the bible by yourself? right! the core wt doctrines have only a tenuous bible base.

#6 ~~Apostates~~ dissenters really, have no spirituality? well try some of the people here, even GB members would be stumped to come off unscathed.

#10. Christians as soldiers? yeah, once sworn in (like by baptism) to obey any orders. ment to kill, mostly the defenceless. executed for disobeying orders, desertion, cowardice. obey and be blessed, wt has never fulfilled a promise yet. except bestowing dubious honours pioneer, special, Po, Co, DO, ZO, GoBom

#18 plan exit.? good advice. do it before HMS wt/org sinks after the last fatal tack, or the sails become as empty as wt promises.