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  A Growing Problem for Materialists

  by Sea Breeze in

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  the famous double-slit experiment proves that light travels both in individual particles called photons and also as a mathematical probability wave.

  matter itself exhibits this particle-wave duality which allows objects to exist in two different places at the same time, depending on whether of not you are looking (testing) at it.

  scientists have recently been able to get molecules as large as 2000 atoms to exhibit this duality!.

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  waton

  In one sense DNA contains information but that is nothing but a metaphor. In reality it is just chemicals doing their thing. C:

  We know you like the life sciences, and DNA is a superb information carrier in it's structure. but are not all developments depending on the "structure" of their "preceding structures", so that it is the information that is passed along,survives temporarily, , while the previous carrier may not exist any more, have "passed on" in more sense then one. are not all things carriers of information, that can be extracted, not just photons, sound waves, dinosaur footprints?

  is not the information there, embodied, whether it is "read" or not?
  
  
  
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  A Growing Problem for Materialists

  by Sea Breeze in

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  the famous double-slit experiment proves that light travels both in individual particles called photons and also as a mathematical probability wave.

  matter itself exhibits this particle-wave duality which allows objects to exist in two different places at the same time, depending on whether of not you are looking (testing) at it.

  scientists have recently been able to get molecules as large as 2000 atoms to exhibit this duality!.

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  waton

  I didn't bold anything you F..ing idiot.
  
  Are you trying to suggest that god the grand creator of the universe guided that huge asteroid MF:

  sorry, I added the bold as stated, to mark what I was referring to.

  Waton: No, what I am saying, that the universe acts in such a way is so flexible, to come up with unexpected beneficial results, like fertilizing BC fishing grounds with carbon from Oregon forest fires. (food for plankton and thought.

  newton was not referring in the "nudge" remark to catastrophes, but regularity.

  I am imagining the "creator" as an entity so advanced, it can create out of co-eternal energy a totally self-creating universe or two, without having to tinker, or aim. It would not be farfetched to call it "father" which says it all. .
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  A Growing Problem for Materialists

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. social
  2. current

  the famous double-slit experiment proves that light travels both in individual particles called photons and also as a mathematical probability wave.

  matter itself exhibits this particle-wave duality which allows objects to exist in two different places at the same time, depending on whether of not you are looking (testing) at it.

  scientists have recently been able to get molecules as large as 2000 atoms to exhibit this duality!.

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  waton

  If there comes a time when a huge asteroid comes directly to are planet creating a colossal impact and knowingly this is going kill just about every living thing on this planet, similar to how one did 40 million years ago " bold added MF.

  we have information gleaned from research, that meteor, asteroid, comet impacts were shapers of life and the deliverers chemicals that sustains it. Even the event , that (contrary to Newton's belief)* "knowingly" killed the big ones, gave our forebearers the niche we needed to thrive.

  * Isaac believed that god need to nudge the bodies of the solarsystem once in a while to keep their places for so long.

  The "systems" in the universe are in many ways self correcting, or are destied to go out of existence. It is the existence ion the foirst place that is so remarkable.

  1) communicating data to another sentient being. 2) technical, subject of information theory.) Cofty,

  those are very narrow definitions. "information ' as used by us lowly laypersons to be understood in a broader, all encompassing sense, info existing, conveyed in many ways, usually seen seen in the context.
  
  
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  A Growing Problem for Materialists

  by Sea Breeze in

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  the famous double-slit experiment proves that light travels both in individual particles called photons and also as a mathematical probability wave.

  matter itself exhibits this particle-wave duality which allows objects to exist in two different places at the same time, depending on whether of not you are looking (testing) at it.

  scientists have recently been able to get molecules as large as 2000 atoms to exhibit this duality!.

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  waton

  Sea breeze is pulling an old creationist trick in positing that the universe had to come from a intelligent ---MF :

  The alternative trick would be even trickier, proposing that the universe made itself, not even like a chicken makes itself from a fertilized egg, which has all the information, instructions and material to warm up with, but out of absolutely nothing.

  has never been observed, why would it be true of the universe? a slightly bigger job?
  
  
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  JW's Not Members anymore but Individuals

  by pistolpete in

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  i've been waiting for someone to post this and i've haven't seen it yet, perhaps i overlooked it since i don't visit that often.. but here is the link to the discussion.

  in it you will find letters and links to this new light.

  whether it's true or not, please verify.. as of .

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  what is the latest baptism question relating to organisation membership" " do you understand -- to be part of Jehovah's 's organisation (not spirit directed any more)?

  can you be a part but not a member?
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  A Growing Problem for Materialists

  by Sea Breeze in

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  the famous double-slit experiment proves that light travels both in individual particles called photons and also as a mathematical probability wave.

  matter itself exhibits this particle-wave duality which allows objects to exist in two different places at the same time, depending on whether of not you are looking (testing) at it.

  scientists have recently been able to get molecules as large as 2000 atoms to exhibit this duality!.

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  waton

  Even energy has to have an origin of its existence.MF:

  This type of reasoning is akin to kicking the can down the road. because it implies the act of creating, a source that itself needs to come into existing. and so on it goes.

  if we extrapolate the "known" about energy into the past, beyond the Big Bang Beginning, we can be comfortable with the assumption that time and energy are fundamental, uncreated, infinite in age,unthinkable it is t us creatures of this limited, and limiting universe.

  Once information is accepted as real (albeit immaterial) SB:

  Interesting point. Yes right now we need carriers, embodiments for information, but one could imagine the "truth" about 2x2,or pi, 3,14---, existing by themselves, nd potentially to appear anywhere needed.

  Do you believe then, that these abstract "truth", natural laws are present even outside and before this universe, waiting for a place, matter to latch onto?
  
  
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  A Growing Problem for Materialists

  by Sea Breeze in

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  the famous double-slit experiment proves that light travels both in individual particles called photons and also as a mathematical probability wave.

  matter itself exhibits this particle-wave duality which allows objects to exist in two different places at the same time, depending on whether of not you are looking (testing) at it.

  scientists have recently been able to get molecules as large as 2000 atoms to exhibit this duality!.

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  ---a position of we dont know --Even energy has to have an origin of its existence. MF:

  why? what ever happened to the concept of infinity, even expressed mathematically as the sleeping 8 ?

  just because we dont like it, can not picture / comprehend it, will not 'will' it out of existence.

  But the Op is correct, if you are strictly limited to stick to the material, the stuff we have right now in this short - lived universe, you are on safer grounds.

  
  
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  A Growing Problem for Materialists

  by Sea Breeze in

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  the famous double-slit experiment proves that light travels both in individual particles called photons and also as a mathematical probability wave.

  matter itself exhibits this particle-wave duality which allows objects to exist in two different places at the same time, depending on whether of not you are looking (testing) at it.

  scientists have recently been able to get molecules as large as 2000 atoms to exhibit this duality!.

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  waton

  The problem with the term materialist is, that matter or material is just a particular, solid form of energy.

  Energy has been proven to be not destructible, only transformable, hence is even uncreated, therefore must have existed before the Big Bang., along with time, the first or 4st dimension.

  just because our instruments do not reach, or receive information from that era, or our 3-4D brains can not "picture" it, does not mean it is not factual.

  The quark / quantum conundrums just shows the frontiers of knowledge we have to expand, and

  if there is a creator (not god) obviously set up to explore
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  A Growing Problem for Materialists

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. social
  2. current

  the famous double-slit experiment proves that light travels both in individual particles called photons and also as a mathematical probability wave.

  matter itself exhibits this particle-wave duality which allows objects to exist in two different places at the same time, depending on whether of not you are looking (testing) at it.

  scientists have recently been able to get molecules as large as 2000 atoms to exhibit this duality!.

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  waton

  all protons and electrons identical to each other? --------regardless of substance. SB

  is it not the numbers of protons in the nucleus, and number of electrons in an atom that determines a substance?

  But you are right, everything carries information, even gravity, and it's waves, travelling at the speed of light.
  
  
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  Privileges

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
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  for me, outside the jw context, that word seems to relate to something like a prison setting, where you're allowed to do certain things based on good behavior.

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  waton

  The other term is "enjoy" as in "will enjoy the privilege" "enjoy reviewing the meeting". and "serve as/in" the congregation as POoBoE. really

  enjoy dominating over the other dismayed wannabes.