Posts by waton

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Panpsychism - a philosophy with a future

by slimboyfat in

at one time scientists believed that living things and non-living things were made of different material, accounting for the unique properties of living things.

this idea is called vitalism and is no longer popular.

what does remain popular (in fact is still the dominant view) is a similar idea that things that experience the world (humans, frogs, mice) are different from things that don't experience the world (potatoes, rocks, snowflakes).

waton

may be when protons, in a supernova, are forged into gold nuclei, they have kind of an orgasm? feeling for all?

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Why does God allow animals to suffer? Does God care about animals? What does the Watchtower teach about this?

by defender of truth in

the following article will address these questions, and attempt to answer them.. after helping jwfacts with his page on animal suffering, i decided to write this article.. it is mainly aimed at helping jehovahs witnesses and other believers in god to think about the issue, as well as the apparent contradictions in watchtower teaching.. thanks must go to jwfacts for the encouragement, and giving me permission to use an image from his page and to use some of the quotes.. also, thankyou to cofty for general moral support.. please let me know what you think everybody, and feel free to reproduce any part or all of the article on any other website, just post and let me know that you've used it on your site please.. (i'd appreciate it if anyone could post to tell me they found a point in here useful, it would encourage me to keep going).. okay, here it is:.

why does god allow animal suffering?.

does it trouble you to see animals in pain?.

waton

I believe that animals suffer less than we think, I have been in several life and death situations, and can not recall any suffering that I endured. shock and hormones covered that. . Of course injury without a quick death is different. pain can be excruciating. But would you trade life with some pain for non-existence? or for the sake of a permanent morphine dose fog?

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why won't legal department simply release all the secret pedophile files?

by poopie in

jw
friends

what do you think there hiding?.

waton

M:"...All crimes are not treated the same and the law absolutely makes distinctions between children and adults.

true, so, think about this: the same sex act between a 17 year old girl and her 18 year old boyfriend is fine (outside the jw domaine) but the same situation would send a 10 year older male to prison and could have him end up dangling in his cell. Marriage of a 12 year old female was legal in some North American jurisdiction, but touching her the wrong way by her female teacher could end the offender's life the same way.

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It Might Have Hit The Fan

by VW.org in

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friends

i haven't associated with the jws for at least 6 months.

they do not know that i am an apostate.

maybe till just now becaue i was browsing reddit and stumbled upon a story from a paper about $4000 a day fine imposed upon watchtower.

waton

Why did you not ask for advice here? or send it from an unknown source? Elders are local protectors, and will react badly if they are seen to be allowing dissent in the ranks of their flock. He has to assume that you have been blabbering to others.

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Herd Spreading BS...

by Alfred in

my wife and i visited a local flea market this morning and found this herd that spreads bⱷꙇꙇ ꙅꚕꙶiꚍ... it's actually a broadcaster that spreads cow manure (or seeds i suppose)... much like herd on jw broadcasting sure feeds us a load of crap... .

waton

jws lapping it up, the herding instinct.

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why won't legal department simply release all the secret pedophile files?

by poopie in

jw
friends

what do you think there hiding?.

waton

wringing their hands, knowing that a child is being raped on an ongoing basis, that they can't figure out the right thing to do. Scully

What percentage do you think are actually in that rape category? , but all in that US list are at least suspects in that big dragnet?

Morpheus & Davis, intelligent discussion!

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Theists, why does God allow suffering..

by The Quiet One in

..specifically, the suffering of animals.

you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.

i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.

waton

why? perhaps he never foresaw that the automatic evolution process would progress to the point where suffering would last so long to cause pain to be remembered and be recognized by intelligent beings.?

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question of the day does a religious org have the right to hold confidential info on one of its members

by poopie in

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friends

without there permission ?.

waton

F, subscribe to rules? That is not in the "bible teach" book, or explained to the 9 year olds that have to say ."yes" to " jehovah's spirit directed organisation?", and in pre-baptism sessions with the elders.

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