Posts by waton

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wt organizationthimk (last week's study)

by waton in

for those who want to see how bad it really is, 2 thoughts: .

1) the article says "jehovah" gave gifts in men, but the bible in gal: 6 clearly mentions the one who ascended into heaven as the one, jesus, their reigning king, that does provides these " the captives.. of course when wt writers say jehovah they really mean the wt society.

and local elders, ms, really are wt appointees, now done by the co, a man with no assets.

waton

I have sat 3 feet away from a current GB member

JT: but surely that was not on a wednesday, when they act as the Government of the erathly part of the universal Org.? right?

wt has "spirit directed" taken out of their baptism questions, that do not conform to the formula Jesus stipulated anyway.

Wt control over the flock is maintained by thes"shepherds"and the wt meetings are designed to strengthen that stranglehold.

(shepherds are the most dangerous individuals to the sheep, more sheep die, are fleeced because of their work.)

wt is actually distancing itself from some of JC's or Paul's teachings, too churchy.

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wt organizationthimk (last week's study)

by waton in

for those who want to see how bad it really is, 2 thoughts: .

1) the article says "jehovah" gave gifts in men, but the bible in gal: 6 clearly mentions the one who ascended into heaven as the one, jesus, their reigning king, that does provides these " the captives.. of course when wt writers say jehovah they really mean the wt society.

and local elders, ms, really are wt appointees, now done by the co, a man with no assets.

waton

for those who want to see how bad it really is, 2 thoughts:

1) the article says "Jehovah" gave gifts in men, but the bible in Gal: 6 clearly mentions the one who ascended into heaven as the one, Jesus, their reigning king, that does provides these " the captives.

Of course when wt writers say Jehovah they really mean the wt society. and Local elders, ms, really are wt appointees, now done by the CO, a man with no assets.

As Jesus said, about these "gifts"" whoever wants to be great among you (or be god's gift to men (and women), must be your slave. So, is that not nice to have all these slaves working for you?

2) Among others, it mentions a couple having to quit their full time assignment because they unexpectedly were expecting ---a baby. Took them a year to get over the disappointment , losing their appointment. Really, what warped values promoted by wt as examples.

* thimk a joke by IBM employees to spoof the slogan "think" that was displayed in their offices to further their corporate cult-ure.

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Watchtower View on Resurrection - All Panda Bears?

by Sea Breeze in

a recent wt study was titled: “the resurrection reveals god’s love, wisdom and patience.

apparently there was a lot of speculation on how those resurrected will be needing to be taught god’s ways in last weeks wt study.

does anyone know how the watchtower tries to weasel out of the "resurrection of damnation"?.

waton

Apparently there was a lot of speculation on how those resurrected will be needing to be taught God’s ways in last weeks WT study

SB: apparently wt writers can not get off their mistaken belief that they have a lot to teach everybody else., and will continue to do so in the "New System". --no wonder, because

as true believers they are convinced, , that Russel, Rutherford, Franz are already resurrected, and aware, if not involved in wt's output

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Watchtower View on Resurrection - All Panda Bears?

by Sea Breeze in

a recent wt study was titled: “the resurrection reveals god’s love, wisdom and patience.

apparently there was a lot of speculation on how those resurrected will be needing to be taught god’s ways in last weeks wt study.

does anyone know how the watchtower tries to weasel out of the "resurrection of damnation"?.

waton

1) Bottom line is - At death, the consciousness survives
2): So the righteous dead are comforted in heaven until the rapture

,S B, yeah, thanks for the insights ino the spin of non-wt "scholars" on this.

1) death being less numbing than total anesthesia?

I had terrible things done to me on the operating table, totally unconscious, gratefully. Death is a less effective painkiller than a chemical?

2) Like the reverse rapture quoted above, A "souls or spirit" already up there, getting into a body down here, and the ascending again? Interesting thoughts, but without being deliberately irreverend,

what can one expect from a story starting with the Gen !:! mistake. and based on a talking snake plot? fun plodding through though!

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Watchtower View on Resurrection - All Panda Bears?

by Sea Breeze in

a recent wt study was titled: “the resurrection reveals god’s love, wisdom and patience.

apparently there was a lot of speculation on how those resurrected will be needing to be taught god’s ways in last weeks wt study.

does anyone know how the watchtower tries to weasel out of the "resurrection of damnation"?.

waton

Judgement No. 1

SB: In the talking snake story, all of mankind is adversely judged in absentia, is it not?

In evolution, (the process), any birth, death is a tool for finding the best way, to conform, to better use the laws of nature. Is not in that sense every demise a sacrificial death? a fait accompli?

The story of a repeat of life has its appeal, but where is the proof that it is true, has any substance?

The idea, that you are brought back to life just to be judged, condemned makes it even more unrealistic. imho

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Watchtower View on Resurrection - All Panda Bears?

by Sea Breeze in

a recent wt study was titled: “the resurrection reveals god’s love, wisdom and patience.

apparently there was a lot of speculation on how those resurrected will be needing to be taught god’s ways in last weeks wt study.

does anyone know how the watchtower tries to weasel out of the "resurrection of damnation"?.

waton

How about a judgement in absentia?

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"Great Crowd" important detail glossed over

by neat blue dog in

the latest study wt gives another glowing report from rutherford's time:.

in his talk, brother rutherford identified those whowould make up the “great multitude” (king james ver-sion), or “great crowd,” mentioned at revelation 7:9. un-til then, this group was thought to be a secondary heav-enly class that was less faithful.

brother rutherford usedthe scriptures to explain that the great crowd are notchosen to live in heaven, but they are christ’s othersheep who will survive “the great tribulation”.

waton

nbd. great thread. This emotional standing up is referred to as Vox populus, vox dei. as the people speak, God spoke.

The other shepp are Cornelius & co, not the other (non-anointed ) sheep. here is wt admission:

wt April 15, 1995 question from readers:

"revelation describes the great crowd only after the great tribulation--" so:

you can not come out of something that does not exist [yet].

In my days we used to teach the great tribulation cut short, in the middle between 1918 and Armageddon, to let the Great Crowd come out of it, from the empty time gap, (even if the greatest war disaster tribulation happened then and there, during that non tribulation hiatus. )

Now the question is, why is the GT cut short on account of the chosen ones, to save their flesh, when the anointed are lifted , called, raptured to heaven in the beginning of the Great Tribulation anyway? and:

why are these questions about the great crowd not allowed?

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Watchtower View on Resurrection - All Panda Bears?

by Sea Breeze in

a recent wt study was titled: “the resurrection reveals god’s love, wisdom and patience.

apparently there was a lot of speculation on how those resurrected will be needing to be taught god’s ways in last weeks wt study.

does anyone know how the watchtower tries to weasel out of the "resurrection of damnation"?.

waton

S B, thanx, sorry I cant read the fine print. looks intriguing though key points?

I find reassuring that Jesus stipulated, that Judges will be held to the same standards as the judged.

J.J. j. I am thinking of the other J, Joseph, how that turned out.

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Watchtower View on Resurrection - All Panda Bears?

by Sea Breeze in

a recent wt study was titled: “the resurrection reveals god’s love, wisdom and patience.

apparently there was a lot of speculation on how those resurrected will be needing to be taught god’s ways in last weeks wt study.

does anyone know how the watchtower tries to weasel out of the "resurrection of damnation"?.

waton

f we discuss topics based on a baseless thing, its all in vain

EA: it is great exercise to debunk bible / wt teachings, free ourselves and others from wtthink.

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Watchtower View on Resurrection - All Panda Bears?

by Sea Breeze in

a recent wt study was titled: “the resurrection reveals god’s love, wisdom and patience.

apparently there was a lot of speculation on how those resurrected will be needing to be taught god’s ways in last weeks wt study.

does anyone know how the watchtower tries to weasel out of the "resurrection of damnation"?.

waton

Is there one tangible evidence for a resurrection, so far ?

EA: these are all stories.. paper is patient.

some of these characters possibly pay 3-4 times for their and Adam's sin: 1) when they died, 2) died again after their resurrection, 3) because jesus died for them and 4) if they die possibly after the 1000 year are ended, in the" 4 corner of the earth" rebellion. who?

well, for examples the "zombies" that came out of the graves in Jerusalem during the crucifixion / impalement episode.