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Question about 70 yr. excile:
by whyizit in
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was discussing how secular references point to destruction of jerusalem in 586/7 with a jw.

used kiss method of counting back the kings from babylonian fall (according to wt daniel book on page 50-51, says it was 539.).

not sure what this person meant.
scholar

whyizit
The seventy years was a period of servitude, desolation and exile of the Jews deported to Babylon in 607 BCE until they were released from Babylon due to her fall in 539 BCE in the year 537 BCE. Most if not all modern authorities discard any notion or importance of the seventy years and thus use a chronology based on the regnal years of the Babylonian kings counting from 539 BCE which marked the end of the Babylonian Monarchy places the fall of Jerusalem in 587 or 586 BCE.
The difference between secular and Bible chronology is one of methodology and the seventy years, WT chronologists such as the celebrated WT scholars insist that a true biblical chronology must factor in the biblical 'seventy years.'
scholar JW
421
70 years = 607?
by allelsefails in
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70 years of captivity?.

i myself have always believed that when archaeology disagreed with the bible the bible must be right.

that is how i dismissed the idea that jerusalem was destroyed in 586/587 bce.
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Doug Mason
Post 569
I cannot agree with your historical interpretation of Late Judean history. There is no evidence that after the destruction of Jerusalem there remained people in the land because Jeremiah had prophesied repeatedly that the land would be desolate without an inhabitant.
The book of Jeremiah gives a detailed description of the last days of Judah and her fate under Babyloian domination and is the major contemporary source for those events which is consistent with oher OT writings. Those Jewish writers particularly Ezra knew that the seventy year whilst occurring during Babylon's domination was aprecise period of servitude-exile-desolation. Your political conspiracy theory between the priests and the people may have some merit but the entire population from the top down was corrupt with its priesthood being particularly reprehensible.
scholar JW
421
70 years = 607?
by allelsefails in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
70 years of captivity?.

i myself have always believed that when archaeology disagreed with the bible the bible must be right.

that is how i dismissed the idea that jerusalem was destroyed in 586/587 bce.
scholar

AllTimeJeff
Post 1664
A quote from Wiki is the extent of your research which is fair enough but you need to change the dates in the quote. Your use of sources is bunkum as you not posted anything of worth so get your head down and consult real scholars and do real research.
scholar JW
421
70 years = 607?
by allelsefails in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
70 years of captivity?.

i myself have always believed that when archaeology disagreed with the bible the bible must be right.

that is how i dismissed the idea that jerusalem was destroyed in 586/587 bce.
scholar

Leolaia
Post 13204
I was a question and I supplied some names of supporters of 607 BCE and I am not responsible for their allegiances. You request a name of a contemporary scholar who supports the WT interpretation of Daniel 4 linked with Luke 21:24. One such person comes to mind and that is C.I. Scofield. His Study Bible was so famous that it was listed as one of the 100 Christian Books that changed the Century.
scholar JW
421
70 years = 607?
by allelsefails in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
70 years of captivity?.

i myself have always believed that when archaeology disagreed with the bible the bible must be right.

that is how i dismissed the idea that jerusalem was destroyed in 586/587 bce.
scholar

Doug Mason
Post 568
Email me your home phone number and I will ring you/
scholar JW
421
70 years = 607?
by allelsefails in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
70 years of captivity?.

i myself have always believed that when archaeology disagreed with the bible the bible must be right.

that is how i dismissed the idea that jerusalem was destroyed in 586/587 bce.
scholar

AllTime Jeff
Post 1660
It is you that is squirming embarrassed by your failure to prove 587 or 586 BCE
scholar JW
421
70 years = 607?
by allelsefails in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
70 years of captivity?.

i myself have always believed that when archaeology disagreed with the bible the bible must be right.

that is how i dismissed the idea that jerusalem was destroyed in 586/587 bce.
scholar

AllTime Jeff
Post 1659
Scholar has no time for lazy people if indeed you a Gilead graduate then use your research skills and seek what you are looking for. I am not interested in proving anything to you or to dance to your silly nonsense. I choose what I want to say, How I want to say and When I want to say it.
scholar JW
421
70 years = 607?
by allelsefails in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
70 years of captivity?.

i myself have always believed that when archaeology disagreed with the bible the bible must be right.

that is how i dismissed the idea that jerusalem was destroyed in 586/587 bce.
scholar

AllTime Jeff
Post 1657
Methodology selects those sources that are appropriate, you have yours and we have ours.
Scholar has hasd nine years of enjoyment refuting the apostate nonsense.
scholar JW
421
70 years = 607?
by allelsefails in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
70 years of captivity?.

i myself have always believed that when archaeology disagreed with the bible the bible must be right.

that is how i dismissed the idea that jerusalem was destroyed in 586/587 bce.
scholar

doyryakii
Post 626
1. The matter of the zero year was simply a matter of methodology and when it was realized that there was an error then an adjustment was made. This is no big deal because chronology is a science that has always been in a state of flux. Suh fine tuning did not impact on the validity of the 1914 CE date for the end of the Gentile Times, thanks be to Providence.
2. Accoding to accurate Bible chronology Josiah died in 629 BCE so you are twenty years wide off the mark.
3. Biblical evidence begins Neb's reign in 624 BCE so once again you are twenty years off the mark.
4. 537 BCE is not guesswork but a defined date calculated with the secular and biblical evidence if you have a better date then please put it up. No one suggests that the trek back to Jerusalem took two years but rather 4 months would be reasonable depending on what route the exiles took.
5. To say that 607 BCE has no support is simply stupid because there is clear evidence both from the Bible, Josephus and NB chronology to support such a determination. With the latter its records brings us within a twenty years striking distance and when the seventy years is factored into that chronology then Bingo you have a rock solid, irrefutable 607 BCE.
5. Apostates have a hang-up over the zero year problem but fine tuning and correct methoidology proved the validity of 1914 CE.
scholar JW
421
70 years = 607?
by allelsefails in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
70 years of captivity?.

i myself have always believed that when archaeology disagreed with the bible the bible must be right.

that is how i dismissed the idea that jerusalem was destroyed in 586/587 bce.
scholar

Doug Mason
Post 566
I would be most happy to meet you face to face at time and place of mutual convenience so as to discuss your claim of my' inability to provide any support for the WT's position'.
scholar JW