Posts by Steel

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JW apologetics websites.

by Steel in

lately i have been studying some basic christology and jesus in the old testament and why first christians believed jesus was god in the flesh.

really interesting stuff.

i am not really sure if i fully understand it but i do now realize why pastors go to university and bible school for a number of years and also how their beliefs are not just based on a few verses that can be edited in the nwt.

Steel

The point I was trying to make , wherever there is a verse in the bible concerning the diety of Christ, there are entire websites dedicated to deconstructing each verse. It's either not what the author meant or a corrupt rendering of the verse.

Now the fun part is trying to read some of these explanations. They are insanity twisted andr ridiculously complex. All about the same level of the societies explanation of how long a generation is.

Has anyone looked at any of these explanations or am I just stupid?

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JW apologetics websites.

by Steel in

lately i have been studying some basic christology and jesus in the old testament and why first christians believed jesus was god in the flesh.

really interesting stuff.

i am not really sure if i fully understand it but i do now realize why pastors go to university and bible school for a number of years and also how their beliefs are not just based on a few verses that can be edited in the nwt.

Steel

I do believe Jesus being a physical manifestation of God in the flesh in both the old and new really holds more credibility if the scriptures are sincerely studied.

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JW apologetics websites.

by Steel in

lately i have been studying some basic christology and jesus in the old testament and why first christians believed jesus was god in the flesh.

really interesting stuff.

i am not really sure if i fully understand it but i do now realize why pastors go to university and bible school for a number of years and also how their beliefs are not just based on a few verses that can be edited in the nwt.

Steel

Google

Jesus and his God

Or

Jesus son of jehovah

Both sites are decided to disproving trinity proof texts with insanely long and complex explanations.

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JW apologetics websites.

by Steel in

lately i have been studying some basic christology and jesus in the old testament and why first christians believed jesus was god in the flesh.

really interesting stuff.

i am not really sure if i fully understand it but i do now realize why pastors go to university and bible school for a number of years and also how their beliefs are not just based on a few verses that can be edited in the nwt.

Steel

What is jw Christology?

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JW apologetics websites.

by Steel in

lately i have been studying some basic christology and jesus in the old testament and why first christians believed jesus was god in the flesh.

really interesting stuff.

i am not really sure if i fully understand it but i do now realize why pastors go to university and bible school for a number of years and also how their beliefs are not just based on a few verses that can be edited in the nwt.

Steel

I think it's unfair to compare academic theology to watchtower who ha. Of course that is more personal opinion.

The problem I have is there are websites just dedicated to obscuring and isolating bible certain bible verses. Just try and Jesus and his God or Robert king. Freaking nuts.

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Latest elders meeting during circuit visit

by Saltheart Foamfollower in

for those not aware:- during the circuit visit there is a meeting with elders &ministerial servants based on an outline.

the mss are dismissed then local matters (eg new elders, meeting attendance etc) are discussed.

recently there has also been a part of the outline just for elders - one year it was about stopping anyone dressing in a "gender blurring" way from going on the ministry.. the latest visit has a section of the outline for elders.

Steel

I find it odd that a group of men would have a meeting about someone masterbating and would think it was anyone of their business. I think it is kind of don't ask don't tell territory.

Also who the hell would take their child or spouse the elders about it ?

Sorry, a little off topic.

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Who Is the Archangel Michael? "evidently" Jesus

by NikL in

front of jw.org has this article.... https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/archangel-michael/.

i am at work right now so can't examine it very close but was just curious what some of you more knowledgeable ones think of it?.

Steel

Exodus 23 20-22 NWT

“See, I am sending an angel ahead of you to guard you along the way and to bring you to the place I have prepared. 21 Pay attention to him and listen to what he says. Do not rebel against him; he will not forgive your rebellion, since my Name is in him

Jude 1 5 NWT

Although you are fully aware of all of this, I want to remind you that Jehovah,* having saved a people out of the land of Egypt,

So the WTS believes Jesus is the angel that lead the jews out of Egypt , which later turns into Jehovah, which in the 5000 copies of the surviving new testament manuscripts is kind of split between Jesus and LORD.

The more they try and separate Jesus and Jehovah , the more the theology just turns into nonsense.

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Who Is the Archangel Michael? "evidently" Jesus

by NikL in

front of jw.org has this article.... https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/archangel-michael/.

i am at work right now so can't examine it very close but was just curious what some of you more knowledgeable ones think of it?.

Steel

So according to their own literature, Jesus may have been " the word of Jehovah " in the old testament which was essentially a physical manifestation of god in the old and new testament.

Odd, where have I heard that before ?

Oh wait, its the flipping trinity.

LoL

I bet who ever wrote that isn't in the writing department anymore.

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JW apologetics websites.

by Steel in

lately i have been studying some basic christology and jesus in the old testament and why first christians believed jesus was god in the flesh.

really interesting stuff.

i am not really sure if i fully understand it but i do now realize why pastors go to university and bible school for a number of years and also how their beliefs are not just based on a few verses that can be edited in the nwt.

Steel

So

Lately I have been studying some basic Christology and Jesus in the old testament and why first Christians believed Jesus was god in the flesh. Really interesting stuff. I am not really sure if I fully understand it but I do now realize why pastors go to university and bible school for a number of years and also how their beliefs are not just based on a few verses that can be edited in the NWT.

To be fair I often visit some JW apologetic websites to try and get the other side of the story. I don't know if I am just stupid but I literally find this stuff so complex and twisted , it just goes over my head. Also it is just so bloody boring.

My question is

A. Is there anything to these websites ? Or are they just bloody nonsense.

B. When you were in , did you think or ever think you understood the bamboozle.

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Who Is the Archangel Michael? "evidently" Jesus

by NikL in

front of jw.org has this article.... https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/archangel-michael/.

i am at work right now so can't examine it very close but was just curious what some of you more knowledgeable ones think of it?.

Steel

Once doing the research I have found it odd that the WTS could hang on to a dogma with so little bible evidence yet can completely deny the plurality of god or deity of Christ which is literally found in every book of the old and new testaments.

The entire religion seems to be built on a scrap here and there without a basic understanding of Christology or how the new testament fulfills the old testament.