Thank you for bringing me back to reality, Redhorsewoman. I guess I'm just in a grumpy mood today. Didn't mean that statement to sound all-encompassing of all heterosexuals. If I did that, I'd be no better than those straights who lump all us queers together.....
SanFranciscoJim
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The Natural Law fallacy and Homosexuality
by JanH inthere is a fallacy of logic that is so common that few people realize that it is, indeed, a fallacy of logic: the fallacy by appeal to nature.. one argument against homosexuality goes something like this:.
the natural use of the reproductive organs is obviously to make children.
using these organs in a way that cannot produce children is unnatural and thus ethically wrong.. .
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The Natural Law fallacy and Homosexuality
by JanH inthere is a fallacy of logic that is so common that few people realize that it is, indeed, a fallacy of logic: the fallacy by appeal to nature.. one argument against homosexuality goes something like this:.
the natural use of the reproductive organs is obviously to make children.
using these organs in a way that cannot produce children is unnatural and thus ethically wrong.. .
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SanFranciscoJim
"Although I still believe that homosexuality is a sin (as the apostle Paul pointed out)...."
*SIGH*
How many times do I need to point out that the Apostle Paul was not pointing out that homosexuality is a "sin"? Why do people insist on taking translations from the original languages of Hebrew and Greek at face value?
I guess the answer is: Because, being heterosexual themselves, studying these scriptures does not directly affect them, and therefore to Hell with us gays.
Sorry to be so blunt, but that's how it appears to me, and I'm damned sick of it. Prejudice is prejudice, regardless of whether it's motivated by race, gender, age, nationality, or sexual identity.... and it's just as ugly in any form. -
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rutherford
by jurs inever since i started questioning wether the truth is really the truth.
i'm apalled at how much information is out there that just shatters the organization.
one intersesting site out of many is jesus-witnesses.com (the seven points of watchtower indoctrination) anyhow i never knew that rutherford smoked cigars and was a notorious alcoholic.
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"Admit it girls, Rutherford kick asses!!!!"
Then, Sister Fred, I wonder how many times he would have kicked you?
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The Natural Law fallacy and Homosexuality
by JanH inthere is a fallacy of logic that is so common that few people realize that it is, indeed, a fallacy of logic: the fallacy by appeal to nature.. one argument against homosexuality goes something like this:.
the natural use of the reproductive organs is obviously to make children.
using these organs in a way that cannot produce children is unnatural and thus ethically wrong.. .
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SanFranciscoJim
I had an elderly gay friend from Chicago who passed away last year. George told me what gay life was like back in the '40s & '50s, and I want to tell you, it was absolutely scary. Back in those days, gay bars were for the most part located in secret locations, and were subject to frequent, unannounced police raids. When you were arrested back then, your name, full address, and occupation was published prominently in the local newspapers. You were treated as if you were a Communist. Lives were ruined. Suicides were common. Because society at large was so condemnatory of the gay lifestyle during this era, gay men were forced to meet in clandestine locations such as public washrooms and parks. This is where society got it's misperception that all gays are lascivious perverts lurking in the shadows waiting to have sex with unsuspecting passersby. Society created the very monster they were afraid of!
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Contact Equals Suicide?
by patio34 indidn't find an appropriate forum for this unique perspective:.
'our planet spends billions on searching for extraterrestrial life.
have they never thought seriously about the question: what would happen if we found it, or if it found us.
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No rebuttal - just an observation:
Perhaps Charles Taze Russell was an alien. I mean, where did he get his pyramidological theories from any way? After all, were those ideas, or the idea of demon possession, or the imminence of Armageddon, any less based on science fiction?
Carl Sagan's movie (from his book) Contact is utterly brilliant. I strongly recommend it to all ex-JW's. It deals not so much with the existence of aliens as it does with the similarities and differences with religion and science. -
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The Natural Law fallacy and Homosexuality
by JanH inthere is a fallacy of logic that is so common that few people realize that it is, indeed, a fallacy of logic: the fallacy by appeal to nature.. one argument against homosexuality goes something like this:.
the natural use of the reproductive organs is obviously to make children.
using these organs in a way that cannot produce children is unnatural and thus ethically wrong.. .
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Exceptionally well written, Bill! Thank you....
Modern right-wing Christianity (as well as Jehovah's Witnesses) continue to perpetuate the myth that gay people can "change", based solely upon the Apostle Paul's words in 1 Corinthians chapter 6, when he states, after reciting a laundry list of sinners: "That is what some of you were." What they don't realize is that the two Greek words commonly mistranslated as "men kept for unnatural purposes" and "men who lie with men" (malakoi and arsenokoites) are more accurately translated as "spineless, cowardly men", and "lift couches" (thought to be an ancient Greek slang for temple prostitutes).
Until such time as society at large accepts the fact that gay people can no more "cure" their homosexuality then can a 5'5" person such as myself "cure" my shortness and grow to my brother's 6'4" height, then we gay folk will continue being perceived as wicked individuals who have chosen to lead a lascivious, promiscuous lifestyle (another stereotype perpetuated by the JW's and the rest of the right-wingers). -
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rutherford
by jurs inever since i started questioning wether the truth is really the truth.
i'm apalled at how much information is out there that just shatters the organization.
one intersesting site out of many is jesus-witnesses.com (the seven points of watchtower indoctrination) anyhow i never knew that rutherford smoked cigars and was a notorious alcoholic.
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SanFranciscoJim
"P.S. Did you know that Rutherford also had a 6 cylinder cadillac that he used during the depression while JWs were out living in trailers trading his books for food? Rutherford was the stereotypical cult leader."
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The Natural Law fallacy and Homosexuality
by JanH inthere is a fallacy of logic that is so common that few people realize that it is, indeed, a fallacy of logic: the fallacy by appeal to nature.. one argument against homosexuality goes something like this:.
the natural use of the reproductive organs is obviously to make children.
using these organs in a way that cannot produce children is unnatural and thus ethically wrong.. .
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SanFranciscoJim
"People are welcome to be as gay or straight as they want to be, yes I too "have friends who are gay". I still think the bible teaches against it, and that IF one claims to accept the bible as a guide then homosexuality should be rejected as a way of life as surely as adultery or fornication or murder.
No offense to those who embrace an alternative lifestyle of any type. Just my humble opinion, that carries as much weight as everyone elses."
Yeru, you requested in another thread that I keep posting, so I'll take this opportunity to address the above quote - not argue with it - I realize it's your opinion and you're entitled to it, but to offer you additional perspective.
You see, I'm one of those rare birds who happens to be gay and still believes in the words of the Bible. So much so, in fact, that I've studied it in Hebrew and Greek for over two decades. I never read my Bible without a companion Strong's Exhaustive Concordance at hand, just to make sure the English translation is reasonable and accurate (considering that Moses, Jesus, and Paul did not speak English, since the language did not exist in their lifetimes). No one has been able to prove to me that the Bible condemns homosexuality.
In any event, here's some food for thought:
How do you feel about men who shave? (Lev. 19:27)
How do you feel about children born out of wedlock? (Deut. 23:2)
How do you feel about people who wear clothing made of 50/50 material? (Deut. 22:11)
How do you feel about men who wear hats? (1 Cor. 11:7)
How do you feel about emancipation from slavery? (Ephesians 6: 5-9)
The above scriptures are largely ignored or dismissed as obsolete, yet the scriptures by the same writers supposedly condemning homosexuality are not. I've often wondered why..... -
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Best Bumper Stickers I've seen.....
by LDH injesus, save me from your followers!.
i do work for food!
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What will you miss most from this system....
by expatbrit inthat's the title of another poxy thread on witnesses online that has me scratching my head in disbelief that anyone could be so deluded.. i would love to be able to post a reply in the thread saying something like: "well, i guess none of you have any unbelieving relatives, then?"..
link: http://www.witnessesonline.com/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/witnessesonline/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=000345.
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So nice to see you here, Lindy! I couldn't agree more.
I've been corresponding off and on with an ex-JW in Australia who was very close to his mother until he was df'd, and now she has cut off all ties with him. He tried to reestablish contact with her, but she told him that she considered him dead already, and in the New System all memory of his existence would be wiped from her "perfect" mind.
I don't know about you, but if perfection means deliberately manipulated amnesia, I think I'll pass.
JIM
(Deliberately Imperfect Class)