The WTS has a written policy of involvement in choices ones make about wedding attendance. Showing support for a wedding of those getting married "out of the Lord" will likely result in losing privileges.
konceptual99
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Why I Refused To Go To Gay Son's Wedding EXCLUSIVE
by darkspilver infront page of the sunshine coast daily, friday 17 march 2017. yvonne, the mother of chris on bride and prejudice, has for the first time explained why she couldn't attend her gay son's wedding.
https://m.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/bride-and-prejudice-mum-denies-sons-church-control/3155773/.
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5714189639221248/_post/5672317399072768.
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konceptual99
The work you have done Barbara is right up there as some of the most important in exposing WT hypocrisy. Thank you.
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ARC - Case Study 54 - All Exhibits have been released
by jwleaks inall exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.
exhibit list.
joint statement of o'brien and spinks.
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konceptual99
Quite Smiddy. It's good to see any improvements in the WTS policies but they still have failed to bring things together in a single, publicly available document.
I have no problem with their two witness rule concerning internal sanctions. I have no problem with them referring to legal to check obligations. I have no problem with them managing different territories in specific ways.
i have a big problem with the lack of cohesion and transparency. IMHO there are still many opportunities for local circumstances and the process followed in specific cases to fail victims.
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ARC - Case Study 54 - All Exhibits have been released
by jwleaks inall exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.
exhibit list.
joint statement of o'brien and spinks.
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konceptual99
Do you have a link for those documents RO please?
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ARC - Case Study 54 - All Exhibits have been released
by jwleaks inall exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.
exhibit list.
joint statement of o'brien and spinks.
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konceptual99
So in similar fashion, yes the Watchtower policy does not state that those that watch Child Pornography must be reported to the police in that section, you have to look at the full policy together. It does state that if either the elder or the branch feel that the child is still in danager, then they are to report the matter.
I don't think the policy does state this does it? I think all we have have is some words to the ARC. I may be wrong, but I don't think this has made it into any official policy yet?
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ARC - Case Study 54 - All Exhibits have been released
by jwleaks inall exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.
exhibit list.
joint statement of o'brien and spinks.
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konceptual99
We are not talking about each and every law. We are not talking about reporting a criminal activity because the law mandates you to. We are talking about an institutional child protection policy. We are talking about how an organisation responds when they become aware of an allegation of child abuse, and yes, I include the viewing of child pornography in this.
Any of these activities are criminal. Some, such as consensual sexual activity between older teens, may fall into a grey area in terms of where paedophilia is concerned but it's for the authorities to make that judgement.
An organisation can choose to adopt processes that go beyond what is required by the law to ensure that they reduce the risk of abuse taking place or continuing once it is exposed. Why the WTS seems to be so backward in all of this is beyond me.
The WTS is never going to held up to scrutiny for not reporting someone speeding but if they fail to report allegations of sexual abuse or the viewing of child pornography then then deserve all the criticism they receive.
Making pedantic points like some know it all 6th form gobshite does you no favours RO.
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ARC - Case Study 54 - All Exhibits have been released
by jwleaks inall exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.
exhibit list.
joint statement of o'brien and spinks.
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konceptual99
See... OC was able to write the policy in 10 seconds.
It might seem simplistic but it is actually simple.
Is the alleged activity criminal? Yes - then report.
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ARC - Case Study 54 - All Exhibits have been released
by jwleaks inall exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.
exhibit list.
joint statement of o'brien and spinks.
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konceptual99
So if the child is being victimized each time that someone watches a depiction of child pornography then the child is still in danger, isn't that correct? Then the mandatory reporting would come into play.
Really? There is no unilateral reporting in the instructions. There might have been a statement to the ARC but there is nothing AFAIK in the instructions actually out there. There is no direct link to reporting requirements made in the instructions on handling a viewer of child porn.
There is no reason for this to be so obtuse.
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It seems that many witnesses simply dont care about facts?
by stuckinarut2 ini often wonder if the current crop of witnesses, especially the youth and younger ones simply don't care about facts?.
i mean for some, even with knowledge of the past scandals, misleading teachings, mistruths, etc etc, they simply don't care.
"it is the truth after all".. they are so intertwined in the operations and activities of the society, that they cant see anything outside of it.
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konceptual99
They are not the only ones. I was speaking to a member of the Plymouth Brethren who basically said his faith in Jesus meant he didn't even need to listen to what the the world around him said about things. If it was different to what Jesus was telling him then it didn't matter.
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ARC - Case Study 54 - All Exhibits have been released
by jwleaks inall exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.
exhibit list.
joint statement of o'brien and spinks.
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konceptual99
...Watchtower has already made it clear that they will report a case of child abuse...
Have they?
Aside from where there are legal mandatory reporting laws in place the only reference I can recall to the WTS proactively reporting, regardless of internal judicial status, is in the statement to the ARC...
In circumstances where the elders and/or Branch office determine that a child is in danger, the elders will report the matter to law enforcement authorities even if there is insufficient Scriptural evidence to establish serious sin.
As yet, I don't believe this is the official, documented policy of the WTS even in Australia, let alone world wide.
Also, the above comment refers to a child being in danger. We are talking about here about child pornography so there is unlikely to be a victim known directly to the alleged perpetrator or to the elders. The direction given as per the quotes in the OP and the above quote show little evidence of there being a proactive stance taken to reporting someone who has committed the criminal offence of viewing child pornography.