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  AUSTRALIA - Petition to Cancel the Charity Status of Watchtower and Jehovah's Witnesses

  by jwleaks in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  a petition has been launched in australia to coincide with the child abuse royal commission's adverse findings against watchtower and jehovah's witnesses.

  the petition is to the australian charities and not-for-profit commission to cancel their charity status.. https://www.change.org/p/australian-charities-and-not-for-profit-commission-acnc-cancel-the-watchtower-bible-and-tract-society-s-charity-status.

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  So are you saying that if a child does some cleaning at the KH under the supervision of their parents this is legally child slave labour under AU law?

  It's certainly the case that under 16s did get involved in KH projects in the 80s in the UK but I know it was not allowed at AH construction level even then. They enforced an under 16 rule pretty quickly in the QB days in the 80s and over the past years the processes and procedures for getting onto a site have been gradually made more and more rigorous to the point that there is no way kids can be involved even in a casual way.

  I know this similar practice is followed in the States, Europe and certainly on any large build worldwide so I'd be surprised if similar processes were not in force in Australia.

  On top of this under 16s and those not "approved" have not been able to be involved with most aspects of assembly related volunteer work for a long, long time now, the only exception being cleaning that I can think of where kids helping their parents is still allowed (as far as I know).

  I understand the legal ramifications of what you are saying but do you think that current practices within the WTS can be classed as child slave labour?
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  AUSTRALIA - Petition to Cancel the Charity Status of Watchtower and Jehovah's Witnesses

  by jwleaks in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  a petition has been launched in australia to coincide with the child abuse royal commission's adverse findings against watchtower and jehovah's witnesses.

  the petition is to the australian charities and not-for-profit commission to cancel their charity status.. https://www.change.org/p/australian-charities-and-not-for-profit-commission-acnc-cancel-the-watchtower-bible-and-tract-society-s-charity-status.

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  Very interested to see where this goes. Overall it's well structured but I am not sure where the child slave labour element comes in. It used to be the case that children were regularly included in volunteer work in construction and food prep at assemblies but I would be surprised if Australia is any different to the UK, US and (AFAIK) Europe in only allowing those over 16 onto sites along with the fact there is no organised food prep any more except for some schools - which kids would rarely if ever be involved in.

  I can recall anything in print which encourages the forcible inclusion of children in construction, food or other voluntary activities. Of course some kids are made to do some things like hall cleaning and most have to go on the ministry but I think you'd be hard pressed to count that as child slavery.

  Sadly I think that bit undermines the rest of the genuinely strong arguments in the petition.
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  Lots Of Whining And Complaining About Us JW's

  by Deaconblues1914 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in reading these posts, it sounds like a lot of you are very jealous of the wt.

  society’s annual income and the money they/we have in the bank.

  jehovah has indeed blessed us.

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  konceptual99

  Now you've gone too far!

  Er... no ;)
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  Lots Of Whining And Complaining About Us JW's

  by Deaconblues1914 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in reading these posts, it sounds like a lot of you are very jealous of the wt.

  society’s annual income and the money they/we have in the bank.

  jehovah has indeed blessed us.

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  konceptual99

  P.S. I know I am a bit late to the party but just feeling a bit spiky myself
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  Lots Of Whining And Complaining About Us JW's

  by Deaconblues1914 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in reading these posts, it sounds like a lot of you are very jealous of the wt.

  society’s annual income and the money they/we have in the bank.

  jehovah has indeed blessed us.

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  konceptual99

  Deaconblues1914. Here's a couple of ideas. Feck off to JWTalk and tell them you've been posting on this site. See how far you get. Or.. put your hand up at the meeting tomorrow and spout on about how you've been setting these apostates straight on jehovahs-witnesses.com. You'll be in the back room within 10 seconds of the meeting ending.

  Oh, and Deacon Blue were, and always will be, a pile of shite.
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  Convention program 2017 AM3

  by George One Time in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/convention-program-2017/friday/.

  why would our beloved gb member be on the top picture of the program?.

  any ideas?.

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  Bloody hell! It looks amazing. I can't wait to be there, especially on Sunday for the symposium item about drinking water. They really are saving the best information until last.

  #bestconventionever #bestlifeever #foodatthepropertime
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  Warwick Tour Brochure

  by konceptual99 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so we had this posted in the mega topic thread... wt: warwick world hq tour brochure.

  the new world headquarters of jws, located at warwick, new york, will open for tours on monday, april 3, 2017.. in anticipation, a new eight-page glossy brochure about this facility has now been released:.

  download pdf: https://download-a.akamaihd.net/files/media_cmsassets/70/fo_s-whq_e.pdf.

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  konceptual99

  So we had this posted in the mega topic thread..

  WT: Warwick World HQ Tour Brochure

  The new world headquarters of JWs, located at Warwick, New York, will open for tours on Monday, April 3, 2017.
  

  In anticipation, a new eight-page glossy brochure about this facility has now been released:

  DOWNLOAD PDF: https://download-a.akamaihd.net/files/media_cmsassets/70/fo_s-WHQ_E.pdf

  MORE INFO: https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/offices/united-states/
  

  Please note that the earliest dates available for tours are now in from mid-August 2017 onwards

  Now you can play the WT's version of 'Where's Wally?'... 'Where's the GB?'... can you spot them all?
  

  SEE ALSO: Letter July 1, 2016 - Re: Information for Touring the World Headquarters at Warwick, New York
  

  SEE ALSO: Letter December 31, 2016 - Re: 2017 Annual Meeting and Warwick/Wallkill Dedication Program

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/img/image/7a031ce1d11c62413e71cb85d9c1bdb9?s=629

  What struck me is the distinct lack of diversity in the pictures showing the Writing Committee. I am amazed that it would appear that only older white men are qualified to consider what goes in the publications.

  I also thought it was quite funny that Losch turned up to give a guided tour. If I go can I have the WT's own Wallace - Bro Lett?
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  Didn't G. Jackson tell the ARC that JW's don't smack their kids?

  by Splash in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  the wt book "family life" (1978) had something to say on this topic:.

  *** fl chap.

  10 pp.

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  konceptual99

  You'll now be very hard pressed to find any JW publication that explicitly admonishes parents to hit (or spank - a more PC word) their children. But if you can, I will sit up and take note.

  Agreed, so in typical JW fashion, their lack of clarity on the matter allows the extreme to continue.

  I recently had an uncomfortable discussion with a sister a similar age to me about smacking and she was very much of the view there should be more of it. She didn't like me asking her how she managed to stop her self hitting her child in anger, sit down, get calm, think about a suitable response and then muster up some kind of feeling (which can't be anger) but allows her to do it anyway as per the WTS advice.

  
  
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  Do JWs Regard You As An APOSTATE?

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  i doubt people consider me an apostate but you never know.🤓.

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  Not yet. But I agreed to a shepherding call so watch this space...
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  Day 2 - Fessler vs. Watchtower – Thomas Jefferson Jr takes the stand in Jehovah’s Witness Child Abuse Trial

  by darkspilver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  day two (wednesday 8 february 2017).

  see also posts and threads regarding: pre-trial / day one / day one update / day five (last day, settlement).

  jefferson: not totally.. zeff: okay.

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  konceptual99

  Fair points Richard and I understand the implications regarding clergy/penitent privilege however they still have a choice about how they choose to handle an allegation. Given that laws are different in different countries or even within countries I actually don't think it is a problem for an elder to ring Bethel Legal and find out what their obligations are.

  It is after this that I think the problem comes. The instructions and reality of how they are implemented on the ground have resulted in allegations not being reported to the appropriate authorities. The instructions have changed over time to try and reduce and remove the chance that a direct written instruction can be blamed but the culture still remains. The general culture of remaining loyal, not bringing Jehovah's name into disrepute and so on has limited this being challenged from the ground up.

  The WTS response to legal and civil challenge remains one of legal obfuscation. It's true that the legally correct and morally correct thing to do may conflict (e.g. does an elder supposedly bound by clergy/penitent privilege inform the police that an 12 year old girl is possibly being abused by her father) but their position seems to remain entrenched in one of "do nothing that will compromise the organisation legally" rather than be prepared to stand up and support their elders who choose to do the right thing.

  Instead of whining about "we can't do this or that because we're tied down by the laws" they should be going "damn right we told the police and we'll fight to change the law if the law is stupid" - just like they did (and continue to do) when they fought for things like not saluting the flag, freedom to preach and so on.