Nothing. It's being used. I did hear a very unsubstantiated rumour that the WTS was looking to sell it but I have taken that one with a massive pinch of salt and dismissed it for the time being.
konceptual99
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Horley Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses UK (disbanded)
by konceptual99 indoes anyone in the uk know any details about the above congregation?
it seems it was disbanded by the co specifically because of "lack of love" and members reassigned to other congregations in the reigate and crawley areas.. i've checked the charities commission web site and the charity was removed in may 2012.. http://apps.charitycommission.gov.uk/showcharity/registerofcharities/removedcharitymain.aspx?registeredcharitynumber=1066699&subsidiarynumber=0.
the cobe was a guy called rossiter (sp?
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Horley Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses UK (disbanded)
by konceptual99 indoes anyone in the uk know any details about the above congregation?
it seems it was disbanded by the co specifically because of "lack of love" and members reassigned to other congregations in the reigate and crawley areas.. i've checked the charities commission web site and the charity was removed in may 2012.. http://apps.charitycommission.gov.uk/showcharity/registerofcharities/removedcharitymain.aspx?registeredcharitynumber=1066699&subsidiarynumber=0.
the cobe was a guy called rossiter (sp?
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konceptual99
Hey WMF - of course, Rossiter was the co-manager of Haysbridge along with Chris Jones. I'd completely forgotten that. Were they both in Horley cong? I know Chris and Judy Jones lived on site in the cottage attached to the hall but I am not sure about Rossiter (what's his first name btw). I know people related to Chris Jones so I might be able to dig around a bit over the next few weeks. -
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Horley Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses UK (disbanded)
by konceptual99 indoes anyone in the uk know any details about the above congregation?
it seems it was disbanded by the co specifically because of "lack of love" and members reassigned to other congregations in the reigate and crawley areas.. i've checked the charities commission web site and the charity was removed in may 2012.. http://apps.charitycommission.gov.uk/showcharity/registerofcharities/removedcharitymain.aspx?registeredcharitynumber=1066699&subsidiarynumber=0.
the cobe was a guy called rossiter (sp?
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konceptual99
Neither have I but I found out about this from ones in a neighbouring congregation and apparently the reasons given by the CO were crystal clear.
I am still interested to know if this is correct as it is a very unusual situation hence why I would like it clarified if possible.
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Horley Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses UK (disbanded)
by konceptual99 indoes anyone in the uk know any details about the above congregation?
it seems it was disbanded by the co specifically because of "lack of love" and members reassigned to other congregations in the reigate and crawley areas.. i've checked the charities commission web site and the charity was removed in may 2012.. http://apps.charitycommission.gov.uk/showcharity/registerofcharities/removedcharitymain.aspx?registeredcharitynumber=1066699&subsidiarynumber=0.
the cobe was a guy called rossiter (sp?
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konceptual99
Does anyone in the UK know any details about the above congregation? It seems it was disbanded by the CO specifically because of "lack of love" and members reassigned to other congregations in the Reigate and Crawley areas.
I've checked the Charities Commission web site and the charity was removed in May 2012.
The COBE was a guy called Rossiter (sp?) who is well known in the Surrey/Sussex areas, not least for being incredibly camp, although he is married. Very judgemental chap. He recently gave a talk at the Brighton RC.
Can anyone provide any more information on this? Are the reasons for the disbandment of the congregation correct as I have stated?
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Watershed moment???
by sparrowdown inwill this rc turn out to be the beginnings of a watershed time in wbts history?.
do you have any thoughts regarding this?.
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konceptual99
Just to add that on JWTalk the top three most read threads the non public forum where some discussion about abuse has taken place is as follows:
Abc news nightline report 3/12/2015 13 Mar 2015 174 replies 4,721 views (now locked)
child abuse cases 19 Jun 2015 134 replies 3,775 views
Did leaders of Jehovah’s Witnesses cover up child sex abuse? 17 Feb 2015 136 replies 3,732 views (now locked)
The second thread has stuff about the RC investigation. Interestingly enough no one has posted since a post about the expert witness being ripped into and her testimony essentially refused by the Commission.
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Watershed moment???
by sparrowdown inwill this rc turn out to be the beginnings of a watershed time in wbts history?.
do you have any thoughts regarding this?.
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konceptual99
I have mixed feelings about this. I think the level of detail and the transparency of the RC provides significant open information that can be used to educate and inform Witnesses but there is still alot of ignorance about the whole process.
I have mentioned it to several people now and not one person knew about it. All expressed genuine surprise at the number of cases but I did not get any particularly strong opinions coming back of disgust, dismay or even wanting to find out more.
I think more publicity here in the UK would help but I suspect we are going to have to wait until the findings of the RC are published and the Australian branch responds to get something that can engender real discussion amongst R&F over here.
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Do you feel vindicated by the exposure of the WT Society in Australia? It seems like a feeding frenzy on here! I love it. You?
by Wasanelder Once inare you pleased with the exposure of the society in australia?
do you feel personally vindicated by it?
do you think it gives you credibility with others now that all the things you said were going on, actually are documented?
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konceptual99
d4g,
I in no way wish to intimate support for the current process or claim that the cultural and social barriers to people speaking freely are not there. I agree that many of us will have first hand experience of situations where social exclusion, judgemental attitudes and sustained injustice have been perpetrated. On that point, it's very gratifying to see the RC getting under the skin of the published processes and examining what the reality is in terms of how things are actually implemented and what the experience for the victim actually is.
I am just wondering however if there are situations that have to come to light through places like this site where people have first hand experience of being disfellowshipped for going to the authorities about child abuse. If this was the case, especially if this was in the relatively recent past, then any such exposure in a formal enquiry similar to the Royal Commission or through the media could be highly embarrassing to the WTS.
I've never come across such a situation but would love to know if there are such cases.
As a side point, are there reasons why the cases of unreported abuse you know about remain unreported? Are you or others you know in a position to support the victims in making a report now?
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Dr Monica Applewhite!
by username ini'm just listening to this so called doctors testimony.
where did the watchtower dig her up from.
her answers have mostly been maybe's and i think!.
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konceptual99
Of course this is what happens when you rely on the testimony of just one witness...
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Do you feel vindicated by the exposure of the WT Society in Australia? It seems like a feeding frenzy on here! I love it. You?
by Wasanelder Once inare you pleased with the exposure of the society in australia?
do you feel personally vindicated by it?
do you think it gives you credibility with others now that all the things you said were going on, actually are documented?
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konceptual99
d4g
I agree the policy is a mess but are there documented cases in the past 5-10 years where parents have been disfellowshipped for slander (or some other kangaroo court charge) on the basis of going to the authorities?
The WT policy on there being no sanctions for this action has been in place for a long time so any proven cases would be very interesting to any future prosecutor.
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Dr Monica Applewhite!
by username ini'm just listening to this so called doctors testimony.
where did the watchtower dig her up from.
her answers have mostly been maybe's and i think!.
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konceptual99
I suspect it's a combination of things.
Her qualifications are a little minor league on the surface but she has worked in the field for a long time and clearly has built up some competence in helping organisations build awareness and improve procedures. I suspect she has found a niche and exploited it.
I think she has been slightly hoodwinked by the WTS. I think she has been convinced to accept a WTS view of their child protection policy and has never been engaged to do a grass roots analysis. I think she has probably been swayed by opportunity to make some good cash without needing to do a lot of work. If this is true it does not reflect well on her. Her lack of preparation for the Commission add weight to this perception.
I also have a suspicion that she has went into the session with some trepidation on the basis that she probably looked at the testimony to date and realised her report and opinions would be questioned far more rigorously than expected as well as possibly becoming aware that the WTS policy was in fact far less supportable than she imagined.
I seriously doubt she will be working for the WTS again.